Haley was groomed by a teacher when underage. She had convinced herself that she wanted this relationship, and owed this guy intimacy, so she went along with everything. A few weeks after, her mother found out and put a stop to it.
Back when she was in high school, Haley had sex with her Math tutor. She first reveals it to the MC (and us) just after she had sex for the first time with the MC. [This is when shit hit the fan on this thread.] She blames herself for what happened. After several releases and therapy sessions and much angst, it is revealed that the tutor had blackmailed her into the sex. She finally realizes that she had been victimized.
Yes, so this is the scene that many people wanted to see and didn't see because sexual things happen to her and they call it NTR, but for me that's not the case because it's in the past and she wasn't even with the MC. Other than that, because it's in the past, the game doesn't feature anything about NTR, right?
And from what I understand, this scene from her past was made more to add something more to the story, to make the MC help and show that things will be different with him than they were in the past with her staying with him.
Yeah, I don't see it as NTR. It being abusive aside, that would make any mention by an LI about a previous relationship, or mentioning they're not a virgin, NTR. Makes no sense.
Yeah... Kinda? I'm not happy with how this storyline was handled.
First off, there is NO NTR in this game - full stop.
Thanks for the answer and explanation, when I play I'm going to want the mc to be affectionate, friendly and for him to be alone with Haley, because the story from what I see has always been with the two of them, so I want the best for him and for her what it would be for me, the two of them together living their love.
It's the only route that makes sense from start to finish (and really the only route that comes to a reasonable conclusion without skipping over a whole bunch of important characterization). Sadly, the Haley-only route is the biggest mess of all, because it solves nothing and concludes nothing.
I'm not one of those Sandra haters, I actually like her appearance and personality, she is a very sweet and beautiful girl. But for me the only route that make sense (not how it implemented in the game but due to the character dynamics) is the Haley only route. The bond between her and the MC is so strong that I don't see any other feasible way for them as to dedicate themselves to each other. There is not much chemistry between the MC and Sandra on the other hand that is felt in the game.
When the MC asks Haley what she wants from their relationship, she replies: "I want everything from you from the morning crossword puzzles to the gagball and whip".
How, on the solo Haley route, have they solidified their situation? How have they eased the fears of their employers? How have they satisfied society? How have they mollified their parents? How can they have a child without inviting questions they're unwilling to answer?
Yes, but in the milieu they've created for themselves, they can't actually be together.
I definitely don't agree with that. There's not only MC-Sandra chemistry, there's a ton of Haley-Sandra chemistry. But you have to play the route through to the end. It always feels like the outcome that was supposed to be, and they mishandled the early-game Sandra, but they got everything else right
And when does he give her the latter, once she asks? Nearly never. Yet another dropped storyline.
It's one of the countless instances of this game setting up something interesting and then losing any interest in actually pursuing it. Sub-Haley was a fascinating character. The MC wasn't interested. So...pursue that! But no, the thread just dies on the vine. Endgame Haley isn't getting the mouth gag or the whip, she's just getting contractions.
Sure. So GIVE US ONE. You can close your eyes and imagine solutions. So could anyone creative. The game never bothered, it just stopped.
That doesn't mean that OP's opinion is invalid. And I agree with OP.
I have not played the Haley solo route, but your questions are easy enough to answer.
I'm just wondering, if you are so keen on realism, what are you doing on this site?
Why do you even believe that I'm interested in a pissing competition with you or care for your opinion about myself?
I'm actually quite keen on games that openly attempt realism, which the first half of Haley's Story did. It's why it was, at the time, one of my favorite VNs. It didn't work out that way, which is why my disappointment in this particular game is keener than it would have been if the story's ambitions had been more unrealistic.
You are correct that those are the challenges to be solved. That could be a good plot how to overcome all those obstacles. For example, they could emigrate to a country which is more relaxed on all those things, like it was done in Sisterly Lust by Perveteer,
I believe they could find a solution. IRL people have all kinds of challenges and they deal with them (or not, if they are weak).
It is mostly a figure of speech. Quite romantic, if you ask me, though some people can have different opinions
For me Haley's Story is the story of the modern Romeo and Juliette. The whole world is against their love but it doesn't mean that it has to have a bad ending.
