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The ending is sad or happy ?
There is one possible unhappy ending, which you would have to work hard to achieve. All other endings are 'happy', if unfulfilling - the MC and Haley wind up together, possibly with one other LI - the developers lost interest in this project near the end because they were forced to double their work because of added Patreon requirements.
 

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Now I'm curious what people complained so much about and called NTR about Haley's past that she tells the MC. Could someone tell me what this past is and how it happens in the game, even if there are spoilers, I don't mind
 

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Now I'm curious what people complained so much about and called NTR about Haley's past that she tells the MC. Could someone tell me what this past is and how it happens in the game, even if there are spoilers, I don't mind
Haley was groomed by a teacher when underage. She had convinced herself that she wanted this relationship, and owed this guy intimacy, so she went along with everything. A few weeks after, her mother found out and put a stop to it.
 

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Now I'm curious what people complained so much about and called NTR about Haley's past that she tells the MC. Could someone tell me what this past is and how it happens in the game, even if there are spoilers, I don't mind
Back when she was in high school, Haley had sex with her Math tutor. She first reveals it to the MC (and us) just after she had sex for the first time with the MC. [This is when shit hit the fan on this thread.] She blames herself for what happened. After several releases and therapy sessions and much angst, it is revealed that the tutor had blackmailed her into the sex. She finally realizes that she had been victimized.
 

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Haley was groomed by a teacher when underage. She had convinced herself that she wanted this relationship, and owed this guy intimacy, so she went along with everything. A few weeks after, her mother found out and put a stop to it.
Back when she was in high school, Haley had sex with her Math tutor. She first reveals it to the MC (and us) just after she had sex for the first time with the MC. [This is when shit hit the fan on this thread.] She blames herself for what happened. After several releases and therapy sessions and much angst, it is revealed that the tutor had blackmailed her into the sex. She finally realizes that she had been victimized.
Yes, so this is the scene that many people wanted to see and didn't see because sexual things happen to her and they call it NTR, but for me that's not the case because it's in the past and she wasn't even with the MC. Other than that, because it's in the past, the game doesn't feature anything about NTR, right?
 

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Haley was groomed by a teacher when underage. She had convinced herself that she wanted this relationship, and owed this guy intimacy, so she went along with everything. A few weeks after, her mother found out and put a stop to it.
Back when she was in high school, Haley had sex with her Math tutor. She first reveals it to the MC (and us) just after she had sex for the first time with the MC. [This is when shit hit the fan on this thread.] She blames herself for what happened. After several releases and therapy sessions and much angst, it is revealed that the tutor had blackmailed her into the sex. She finally realizes that she had been victimized.
And from what I understand, this scene from her past was made more to add something more to the story, to make the MC help and show that things will be different with him than they were in the past with her staying with him.
 

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Yes, so this is the scene that many people wanted to see and didn't see because sexual things happen to her and they call it NTR, but for me that's not the case because it's in the past and she wasn't even with the MC. Other than that, because it's in the past, the game doesn't feature anything about NTR, right?
Yeah, I don't see it as NTR. It being abusive aside, that would make any mention by an LI about a previous relationship, or mentioning they're not a virgin, NTR. Makes no sense.

And from what I understand, this scene from her past was made more to add something more to the story, to make the MC help and show that things will be different with him than they were in the past with her staying with him.
Yeah... Kinda? I'm not happy with how this storyline was handled.

From my review:
The game's second mistake is not incorporating Haley's trauma from sexual abuse into the actual story. We could've learned how it shaped her personality from a young teenager until now. How it still influences her decisions and behavior today. We could've learned to understand where her brattiness and abrasiveness comes from, why insulting the brother she loves so much gets her off... But that's not what we're getting. The middle third of the game deals with her abuse in a very shallow way.
 

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Yes, so this is the scene that many people wanted to see and didn't see because sexual things happen to her and they call it NTR, but for me that's not the case because it's in the past and she wasn't even with the MC. Other than that, because it's in the past, the game doesn't feature anything about NTR, right?
First off, there is NO NTR in this game - full stop.

While there were always a few people who thought that, the main criticism was that the game had suddenly turned from being light-hearted to being quite dark, with no real warning and at the exact point that everyone had been waiting for since the beginning.

The cries that the game had turned into a 'rape game' were deafening. Of course it hadn't; it had turned very dramatic. What followed was a long process where Haley had to first realize that what had been drummed into her head was not true: it was NOT 'all my fault' as she persisted in claiming; that she had been victimized as a naive, young girl by a power figure. Unfortunately, many had abandoned the game before that discovery.

This has always been my favorite game. However, it is marred by the endings, which were rushed with some promising plot threads never completed. So be forewarned about that.

You will have choices in the game as to whom the MC will end up with. You can have him wind up with Haley, or you can have him wind up with Haley + one of three other ladies (beards to camouflage the relationship with Haley). If your MC is mean enough to Haley, he can even wind up alone, but that takes some effort to accomplish.

To me, the canon route was always the MC + Haley + Sandra, but many dislike Sandra (or 3-ways in general). If that's the case with you, you might want to consult the Walkthrough to get the pathway that suits you best.
 

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First off, there is NO NTR in this game - full stop.

While there were always a few people who thought that, the main criticism was that the game had suddenly turned from being light-hearted to being quite dark, with no real warning and at the exact point that everyone had been waiting for since the beginning.

The cries that the game had turned into a 'rape game' were deafening. Of course it hadn't; it had turned very dramatic. What followed was a long process where Haley had to first realize that what had been drummed into her head was not true: it was NOT 'all my fault' as she persisted in claiming; that she had been victimized as a naive, young girl by a power figure. Unfortunately, many had abandoned the game before that discovery.

This has always been my favorite game. However, it is marred by the endings, which were rushed with some promising plot threads never completed. So be forewarned about that.

You will have choices in the game as to whom the MC will end up with. You can have him wind up with Haley, or you can have him wind up with Haley + one of three other ladies (beards to camouflage the relationship with Haley). If your MC is mean enough to Haley, he can even wind up alone, but that takes some effort to accomplish.

To me, the canon route was always the MC + Haley + Sandra, but many dislike Sandra (or 3-ways in general). If that's the case with you, you might want to consult the Walkthrough to get the pathway that suits you best.
Thanks for the answer and explanation, when I play I'm going to want the mc to be affectionate, friendly and for him to be alone with Haley, because the story from what I see has always been with the two of them, so I want the best for him and for her what it would be for me, the two of them together living their love.
 
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Anyone knows which VN this game is referencing when the MC goes with his boss to a mansion to talk with the people who will take care of the Klaus guy? I'm almost certain that's based on a real game I've seen here.
 

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Anyone knows which VN this game is referencing when the MC goes with his boss to a mansion to talk with the people who will take care of the Klaus guy? I'm almost certain that's based on a real game I've seen here.
Alexandra. It's by Ptolemy, who was also one of the developers of this game.
 
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