VN Ren'Py Completed Haley's Story [v1.1 Pre-Patched] [Viitgames]

[Segnbora]

There's also this (while we're on the subject of incest games): one of the key failures of both Haley's Story and DMD is that they don't solve the key problem. This particular game just threw up its hands, whether there's a beard or not, leaving all future questions/conflicts to the imagination of the player. DMD somehow deluded itself into thinking that marrying the father and daughter was the goal, when in fact they're still an "agent"/"client" couple who live together, go everywhere together, and about whom a truly staggering number of poeple know the truth (including Tara, who has no reason to stop hating Dee). That's sure as hell not a way to "solve" an incestuous relationship. They both kick the can, and neither cares, but at least DMD's devs pretended to care, even though they failed just as spectacularly.

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I don't think there was a way to "fix" Haley's ending other than a full confession.

I will not say too much about the intergenerational whether M/S or F/D, but I also think one of the problems there is fans and devs like the protagonists to be quite innocent most of time.

Yeah, I hate that. I hate unlikely/impossible virgins, as you go on to describe. Just get on with the incestuous sexytimes and stop pretending that your impossibly hot sister has been considering becoming a nun.

Whether you like picture perfect or not, but at least with that oldest daughter it made sense and did not feel like taking advantage.

You're talking about Sisterly Lust? Yeah, Liza was a solid, well-considered character arc. I have deep difficulties with both Bella routes, but Liza and Rachel were wonderful.

Not really. Desert Stalker is a pretty popular game in which the incest (real or step, depending on patch, both are canon) is one of the main focusses. It's popularity proves that it's more than just my opinion. If people hated the game, or the way incest is portrayed in it, it would have had plenty of backlash and would not have been so popular.

That's not really my point. As noted just above, I think the Liza arc in Sisterly Love is incredibly hot. Do I think an actual Liza, tied to her church and her beliefs, would have sex with her newly arrived brother? Never. I don't think it's realistic. If anything, I think Liza would turn them in to the (whatever that horrid made-up organization was). My argument is that I don't think finding the MC finally nailing Liza is proof that SL got an incestuous path absolutely right, because I honestly think it's both hot and utterly ludicrous.

Could you perhaps elaborate on what you mean by "okay"?

They spent a fair bit of time, including with a therapist, talking it out, and agreed it was wrong and would never happen again, but that her grandchildren didn't deserve a hostile relationship with their grandfather because he'd been a creep in the past. I'm not saying it was all sunshine and roses, but they made it work. There was never complete trust again (between them or between them and her kids), but they arranged their time together to compensate for that.

For some reason I find it more possible if siblings just grow out of it compared to parents.

I'm not sure I see this, but maybe I do; if the attraction's there, it lingers or it doesn't. I certainly understand spontaneous sibling experimentation being a temporary thing. And, you know, that might be an interesting game. A blossoming of incest that fades away and then, finally, ends as one or more of the partners find someone else. There'd have to be more to it, of course, but it's not a bad framework.

Sample images aside (in the game they have been redone to make them a bit less cartoonish) I do think this game may be for you.

It's the apparent age, not the graphics themselves.

A game I fell in love with due to its story and writing (and not shying away from adult emotional themes) is Wicked Choices,

I played the hell out of it when it was in development. Great game. Weird, but great.

Nooooo! Sorry, I probably wasn't clear. She isn't. I meant that I don't mind seeing characters with Ava's body type. Small and thin can be sexy, but I'd also need the adult features to be present.

It's fine. But Ava will always read as about 14 to me, and I just can't. I don't even care what the game text says, or how she can pass F95's rule whatever. To me, she's a child. My issue, not anyone else's.

 

[DA22]

There's also this (while we're on the subject of incest games): one of the key failures of both Haley's Story and DMD is that they don't solve the key problem. This particular game just threw up its hands, whether there's a beard or not, leaving all future questions/conflicts to the imagination of the player. DMD somehow deluded itself into thinking that marrying the father and daughter was the goal, when in fact they're still an "agent"/"client" couple who live together, go everywhere together, and about whom a truly staggering number of poeple know the truth (including Tara, who has no reason to stop hating Dee). That's sure as hell not a way to "solve" an incestuous relationship. They both kick the can, and neither cares, but at least DMD's devs pretended to care, even though they failed just as spectacularly.

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I don't think there was a way to "fix" Haley's ending other than a full confession.


Yeah, I hate that. I hate unlikely/impossible virgins, as you go on to describe. Just get on with the incestuous sexytimes and stop pretending that your impossibly hot sister has been considering becoming a nun.


You're talking about Sisterly Lust? Yeah, Liza was a solid, well-considered character arc. I have deep difficulties with both Bella routes, but Liza and Rachel were wonderful.


That's not really my point. As noted just above, I think the Liza arc in Sisterly Love is incredibly hot. Do I think an actual Liza, tied to her church and her beliefs, would have sex with her newly arrived brother? Never. I don't think it's realistic. If anything, I think Liza would turn them in to the (whatever that horrid made-up organization was). My argument is that I don't think finding the MC finally nailing Liza is proof that SL got an incestuous path absolutely right, because I honestly think it's both hot and utterly ludicrous.


They spent a fair bit of time, including with a therapist, talking it out, and agreed it was wrong and would never happen again, but that her grandchildren didn't deserve a hostile relationship with their grandfather because he'd been a creep in the past. I'm not saying it was all sunshine and roses, but they made it work. There was never complete trust again (between them or between them and her kids), but they arranged their time together to compensate for that.


I'm not sure I see this, but maybe I do; if the attraction's there, it lingers or it doesn't. I certainly understand spontaneous sibling experimentation being a temporary thing. And, you know, that might be an interesting game. A blossoming of incest that fades away and then, finally, ends as one or more of the partners find someone else. There'd have to be more to it, of course, but it's not a bad framework.


It's the apparent age, not the graphics themselves.


I played the hell out of it when it was in development. Great game. Weird, but great.


It's fine. But Ava will always read as about 14 to me, and I just can't. I don't even care what the game text says, or how she can pass F95's rule whatever. To me, she's a child. My issue, not anyone else's.

No I mean the game Picture Perfect, with an F/D situation with a daughter that is in her early 20's when things really heat up, but where it happening is part of their last 10 years and even the reason why so much later makes some sense.

 

[Segnbora]

No I mean the game Picture Perfect

Ah. I somehow completely missed that one. I'll check it out.

 

[troube12345]

To expand on Walter Victor's answer: you have both consequential and inconsequential choices in the earlier stages of the game. There are...IIRC...three women other than Haley where your choices matter, and one that matters more than the others because it essentialy bifurcates the story. As you'll see that you will be offered the companionship of more than three other women, you can correctly conclude that your choices regarding those women don't matter at all. Most of the rest of your choices are a basic binary of choosing to be nice to Haley or not, though in the end those choices don't matter that much (or perhaps at all; it's been a while).

Later, you might be given choices but they don't matter all that much versus choices you made earlier...with the exception of choosing which of the various endings you're going to get, which is something you've got to start thinking about soon after certain characters are introduced rather than late in the game. I think that, if you play the game, it's going to become pretty obvious which characters have endings and how you can pursue them.

All that said, Haley's Story isn't a deeply choice-driven game. Most of the endings are more or less good, or at least happy. Getting the exact one you want might require a bit of care, but you're not going to end up in some hellscape if you make the wrong choices. You will never (again, IIRC) suffer negative consequences if you choose to have sex with someone other than Haley, so you should treat those choices as a stylistic/role-playing option. That said, choosing to have sex with certain non-Haley characters may affect the narrative. With perhaps one very small exception, however, I don't think any of the choices are misleading or tricky. I think you have to be pretty timid, or not speak English as a first language, to need a walkthrough unless you're very keen on a specific ending.

Yeap, English is not my first language. Most of the time, I understand dialogues with the help of a translation app, and it's tiring to do it all the time. Therefore, it seems pointless to play a "game" where we just choose options and advance dialogues. Instead of doing this, I would prefer to read the comic/manga if available. Translating dialogue is tiring and clicking with the mouse to make the dialogue progress is very tiring and boring.

 

[rediix73]

The ending is sad or happy ?

 

[Walter Victor]

The ending is sad or happy ?

There is one possible unhappy ending, which you would have to work hard to achieve. All other endings are 'happy', if unfulfilling - the MC and Haley wind up together, possibly with one other LI - the developers lost interest in this project near the end because they were forced to double their work because of added Patreon requirements.

 

[Lorally55]

I see a pretty redhead... I download.

 

[ThorinKing]

I see a pretty redhead... I download.

I see you are also a person of culture.

 

[Walter Victor]

I see a pretty redhead... I download.

I see you are also a person of culture.
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[Deleted member 6168082]

I see a pretty redhead... I download.

Simple.

I see you are also a person of culture.

Just simple minded.

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Sir, that is not a pretty redhead... well, not to me anyways.

Those blue eyes though....

 

[Walter Victor]

Sir, that is not a pretty redhead... well, not to me anyways.

Those blue eyes though....

 

[ThorinKing]

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He said "pretty" redhead - not "deranged carrot top".

 

[Walter Victor]

He said "pretty" redhead - not "deranged carrot top".

You're lucky I didn't use Red Adair!

 

[ThorinKing]

You're lucky I didn't use Red Adair!

Better than Carrot Top!

And I think that middle picture in your other post is very descriptive of that guy I already had on ignore.

 

[Lorally55]

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Jeezes! I did say pretty redhead.

 

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Now I'm curious what people complained so much about and called NTR about Haley's past that she tells the MC. Could someone tell me what this past is and how it happens in the game, even if there are spoilers, I don't mind

 

[Quetzzz]

Now I'm curious what people complained so much about and called NTR about Haley's past that she tells the MC. Could someone tell me what this past is and how it happens in the game, even if there are spoilers, I don't mind

Haley was groomed by a teacher when underage. She had convinced herself that she wanted this relationship, and owed this guy intimacy, so she went along with everything. A few weeks after, her mother found out and put a stop to it.

 

[Walter Victor]

Now I'm curious what people complained so much about and called NTR about Haley's past that she tells the MC. Could someone tell me what this past is and how it happens in the game, even if there are spoilers, I don't mind

Back when she was in high school, Haley had sex with her Math tutor. She first reveals it to the MC (and us) just after she had sex for the first time with the MC. [This is when shit hit the fan on this thread.] She blames herself for what happened. After several releases and therapy sessions and much angst, it is revealed that the tutor had blackmailed her into the sex. She finally realizes that she had been victimized.

 

[Deleted member 6072790]

Haley was groomed by a teacher when underage. She had convinced herself that she wanted this relationship, and owed this guy intimacy, so she went along with everything. A few weeks after, her mother found out and put a stop to it.

Back when she was in high school, Haley had sex with her Math tutor. She first reveals it to the MC (and us) just after she had sex for the first time with the MC. [This is when shit hit the fan on this thread.] She blames herself for what happened. After several releases and therapy sessions and much angst, it is revealed that the tutor had blackmailed her into the sex. She finally realizes that she had been victimized.

Yes, so this is the scene that many people wanted to see and didn't see because sexual things happen to her and they call it NTR, but for me that's not the case because it's in the past and she wasn't even with the MC. Other than that, because it's in the past, the game doesn't feature anything about NTR, right?

 

[Deleted member 6072790]

Haley was groomed by a teacher when underage. She had convinced herself that she wanted this relationship, and owed this guy intimacy, so she went along with everything. A few weeks after, her mother found out and put a stop to it.

Back when she was in high school, Haley had sex with her Math tutor. She first reveals it to the MC (and us) just after she had sex for the first time with the MC. [This is when shit hit the fan on this thread.] She blames herself for what happened. After several releases and therapy sessions and much angst, it is revealed that the tutor had blackmailed her into the sex. She finally realizes that she had been victimized.

And from what I understand, this scene from her past was made more to add something more to the story, to make the MC help and show that things will be different with him than they were in the past with her staying with him.