VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.17.2] [Runey]

[slykoru]

Autumn is still generally nice, polite and even if she's annoyingly judgemental, it's a flaw she herself acknowledges and is trying to fix. She's empathetic and forgiving, as seen in her trying to console Maria even after Maria repeatedly calls her a slut and a liar. She's narrow-minded, but in the end her biggest fault is still pretty much just wanting what she deems best for others.

That scene with Maria would not have happened if all Runey wanted to do was religion bash.

 

[Runey]

That's not what happened though. She very specifically called her out for not taking any active action today. She later reminded her that it was her religion which led the charge in their enslavement in the first place. Autumn did need that wake up call. As do all who pray for things to get better and do nothing to actively bring about change.

As to the rest of your rant,

Android - virginity doesn't matter

Kali - Not even sure she was a virgin, but if she was it was more due to being a Hikikkimori NEET than any virtue

Ashley - Virgin, but also a high school student (I know, it says College, but that's because the characters have to be 18) and she throws it at you in a way that could probably be considered rape.

Maria - Not a virgin

Lin - Vaginal virgin, though I was given the impression she'd at least been doing oral before that. Her virginity was more about keeping her dignity than any virtue.

Felicity - Not a virgin

Emma - Virgin, throws it at you with no expectation of fidelity. In fact she really only does it so that Felicity can't claim to have won. Also, embarrassed by her virginity insomuch that she lied about it.

Lucia - Only barely counting her for this, Lucia was a virgin, but like her sister this was more due to a lack of available suitors than anything else. She not only throws herself at you, but is guilty of coveting her sister's boyfriend, and cheating to get it.

Autumn - Claims to be virtuous and might be a virgin. We don't know why she's moving out on her own at all, Maria could be right, there might be something in her past that she's trying to make up for.

So, 4 confirmed virgins, most under a certain age bracket, to where being a virgin isn't all that rare, and none, other than Lin, were even saving it for someone special? No, your argument is full of personal bias and has no bearing on the actual events of the game.

Autumn is still generally nice, polite and even if she's annoyingly judgemental, it's a flaw she herself acknowledges and is trying to fix. She's empathetic and forgiving, as seen in her trying to console Maria even after Maria repeatedly calls her a slut and a liar. She's narrow-minded, but in the end her biggest fault is still pretty much just wanting what she deems best for others.

That scene with Maria would not have happened if all Runey wanted to do was religion bash.

Very good points!

(By the way Darth, are you in the discord? I would love to have you there personally. You seem to be very active on this thread)

Interesting update, but fuck, Lin-Autumn interaction was stupid. Lin lash out at her for doing nothing during elven conquest, when the girl in question wasn't born yet. Because people "like her" did it. Right now it looks like Religion is bad because it's for slavery. In the same time is bad because it's against slavery. Religion is bad because it treats virginity, modesty and fidelity as something important. But in the same time most of the girls are virgins initialy and all of them are super dedicated to MC, because it don't really have any value?
It's seems hipocritical to me, and look like retarded religion bashing. Corruption is great, but it means making a person WORSE morally than they been before, not somehow healing their soul with the power of dick.

Darth pretty much summed it up. Not much more I can add to that as it's pretty much all correct.

I'm sorry my parody of a religion that doesn't exist has offended you, it wasn't my intention. Generally religion can come across as being full of contradictions, which is what Autumn embodies, literally. She's got the body of a grade A whore, yet she's virtuous. She wants to save the Elves from slavery, yet in the past her people were the first to enforce slavery.

Autumn also says her father is a very good man who is actively against the slavery of Elves, and was quite possibly the sole reason why Elves have the rights they currently have. If you can call that religion bashing, well, I don't think you're only looking at the small piece of the story you dislike.

She's not only religious, though. Like Slykoru said, Autumn has somewhat of a big sister vibe going on. She does want to meet and be friends with everyone, as well as help everyone out.

Dick hasn't ever been used in HH to heal anyone, it's all been through how MC deals with each girl which leads to sex.

Feel free to consider it "retard religion bashing". I'm definitely not trying to say religion is good. I'm not saying it's bad either, but in this fictional world that doesn't exist, this religion is full of contradictions.

How do you activate Lin's second event after the "pageant" with the other elves? If it's just from a "Talk" option when interacting with her door, I have a feeling I just came across one of those bugs with the leaked version.

And am I right to assume after the date with Maria, her unavailability would last for this whole version? I was hoping the "temporary" part of the warning meant it would end within the update, but I guess I can wait.

Lin's second Event is the training event with all the Elves. Her first event for v0.5 is with Jin.

 

[rangaru]

She very specifically called her out for not taking any active action today.

What she could do?

So, 4 confirmed virgins, most under a certain age bracket, to where being a virgin isn't all that rare, and none, other than Lin, were even saving it for someone special? No, your argument is full of personal bias and has no bearing on the actual events of the game.

Huh, wow. Taking part of the argument out of context and describing it? What is the point?
My point is - fidelity and sex in metanarration clearly matter. You don't have gangbangs and shering in this game (and if I understand direction correctly). Virginity also matters, since we have 4 deflowering scenes in short game. Bashing religion for saying that sex should be with someone you love is therefore hipocritical.
And I don't understand how this is "rant", I just point something out from my own bias (YES). Everybody is biased, that is like people work. Especially in porngame, where everything is about preferences. The most laughtable thing is that, that the Runey himself few post earlier admit that he is biased against prozelitism, which make critisim from other perspectives valueable input to make game more objective. This is his game and he can do what he wants obviously and I don't give a fuck, but this is public forum a place fo people to share their opinions.

 

[Runey]

What she could do?

Huh, wow. Taking part of the argument out of context and describing it? What is the point?
My point is - fidelity and sex in metanarration clearly matter. You don't have gangbangs and shering in this game (and if I understand direction correctly). Virginity also matters, since we have 4 deflowering scenes in short game. Bashing religion for saying that sex should be with someone you love is therefore hipocritical.
And I don't understand how this is "rant", I just point something out from my own bias (YES). Everybody is biased, that is like people work. Especially in porngame, where everything is about preferences. The most laughtable thing is that, that the Runey himself few post earlier admit that he is biased against prozelitism, which make critisim from other perspectives valueable input to make game more objective. This is his game and he can do what he wants obviously and I don't give a fuck, but this is public forum a place fo people to share their opinions.

Religion doesn't really have an influence on virginity for girls who aren't religious. They're virgins because people have a fetish for deflowering girls.

 

[rangaru]

I'm sorry my parody of a religion that doesn't exist has offended you, it wasn't my intention.

It didn't offend me at all. I found it childish and inconsistent and I pointed that out in good faith. I'm not here to hurt you.

She's got the body of a grade A whore, yet she's virtuous.

Not a contradictions. One is her phisical apperance and second morall attitude.

She wants to save the Elves from slavery, yet in the past her people were the first to enforce slavery.

Not a contradiction. Ancestors of all people owned slaves. Slavery is natural state of humanity, which we overcome with civilisation. Are we therefore barred from speaking against slavery.
This religion/"God" is against slavery or for? If is against then it was clearly people fault for not following their belives. If religion is for slavery, then I don't understand what is going on. It maybe interesting.

Feel free to consider it "retard religion bashing". I'm definitely not trying to say religion is good. I'm not saying it's bad either, but in this fictional world that doesn't exist, this religion is full on contradictions.

I'm not against it, I'm criticising how you doing it. If it's full of contradictions, then you should make this contradictions stand out. Having sexual urges and great body is not a contradiction. I enjoy your game, really somethings you did there are orginal and fantastic. I'm just against fedora-tipping, "enlighted by my own intelligence" type of narration.

 

[DarthSeduction]

My point is - fidelity and sex in metanarration clearly matter. You don't have gangbangs and shering in this game (and if I understand direction correctly). Virginity also matters, since we have 4 deflowering scenes in short game. Bashing religion for saying that sex should be with someone you love is therefore hipocritical.

You seem to have ignored that of those 4 virginities only 1 was withheld for love. The other 3 belonged to girls who were young enough that it isn't implausible that they'd still have it. Of those 3 not a single one withholds it with the intent of waiting for fidelity or for virtue. One rapes the MC, one seduces him knowing he's dating her sister, and the other in order to get one up on her sister, also seduces him. This is not an argument for virginity or virtue in regards to sex.

As for not having gangbangs and sharing, sure, from a patriarchal, masculine perspective you might say that. Look at it from any of the girls' perspectives though. They're all sharing you. Maria has been involved in at least one sexual scenario with every girl except maybe Kali(And I feel like Kali was with Lin, at least, if not also with Maria at some point) and Lucia, and later Autumn, since she wasn't in the game. That means that you have shared with Maria. What, because she doesn't have a dick it isn't sharing? As the son of a woman who left his father for another woman, I can tell you that it doesn't matter what the partner is packing, sharing is sharing.

This is his game and he can do what he wants obviously and I don't give a fuck, but this is public forum a place fo people to share their opinions.

Ah yes, because your opinion was shown to be flawed I am somehow stifling your right to share it. Just as you have a right to share it, I have a right to pick it apart and show it to be biased and ill formed.

What she could do?

Civil disobedience campaigns can topple dictators if done correctly, and they only need the involvement of about 3 percent of the population. There are many many methods starting small and escalating as the movement gains power and momentum. Protests, strikes, stay ins. In Chile they managed to organize people into, at night, opening their windows and banging on pots and pans to create a lot of noise for nights on end. These tactics all to show solidarity and also continue undermining the authority of the people in power.

If you can topple a dictator with such actions, working with like minded people to take actions against an unjust system like slavery is certainly possible.

 

[Randeza]

hopefully in uppdates in the future you can start buying other elvish slaves

 

[Carpe Stultus]

see now..if the sexy AF Drow kills her "master" and Cornwall tasks the MC with properly training her with love and penis..thats a death everyone would be happy with....because DROW!!!!! ya shouldn't intro a character thats better than all the main's combined(my opinion)

I like that idea sir!

@Runey make it happen!

 

[Runey]

It didn't offend me at all. I found it childish and inconsistent and I pointed that out in good faith. I'm not here to hurt you.

Not a contradictions. One is her phisical apperance and second morall attitude.

Not a contradiction. Ancestors of all people owned slaves. Slavery is natural state of humanity, which we overcome with civilisation. Are we therefore barred from speaking against slavery.
This religion/"God" is against slavery or for? If is against then it was clearly people fault for not following their belives. If religion is for slavery, then I don't understand what is going on. It maybe interesting.

I'm not against it, I'm criticising how you doing it. If it's full of contradictions, then you should make this contradictions stand out. Having sexual urges and great body is not a contradiction. I enjoy your game, really somethings you did there are orginal and fantastic. I'm just against fedora-tipping, "enlighted by my own intelligence" type of narration.

Well, I don't mean to sound rude. But you just took my argument out of context as you claimed Darth was doing.

I said she was meant to embody contradiction. Embody being an important description. You're right, physical appearance and moral attitudes are completely different things. She doesn't have control over one thing, and she does the other. That's why she embodies the contradiction. Same thing applies to her ancestors being the crusaders attacking the elves, and now here she is trying to protect them. Yes, she did not attack the elves, she wasn't born then, and is trying to help the elves. But she embodies the contraction of her people.

Autumn herself follows a path that contradicts her past ancestors. She's a kind sole and loves to help, while the people before her were the opposite of that, yet she follows in the same religion. I hope my point is coming across as well as I'm intending it to.

hopefully in uppdates in the future you can start buying other elvish slaves

Absolutely! I definitely want to get Jin and Ann in. But people have said they didn't want to buy Elf slaves unless they had some story. If you were to buy Jin and Ann, they would be used in the dungeon.

 

[Randeza]

They could have a simple story like maintaining the dungeon and help with the training in the dungeon

 

[DarthSeduction]

Absolutely! I definitely want to get Jin and Ann in. But people have said they didn't want to buy Elf slaves unless they had some story. If you were to buy Jin and Ann, they would be used in the dungeon.

Random thought, if Jin was bought her character would be like Lucia, sometimes a part of her sisters story, and thus geting development, right?

What if the slaves could be bought and gifted to other girls? Give the cute prude who just lost her master to Maria, for instance, and have Maria train her. Give the Gyaru dark elf to Ashley, mostly just because I think the way she'd react to her sizes would be hilarious. Somehow let us win Silvia and then free her, allowing her a room at the hotel, then give the drow to her.

That would allow for you to both allow us to use them in the dungeon, and create a story surrounding them that we could have fun with.

 

[ray3dave]

I started a new game from the beginning, so I still don't know about the update. Just reading the discussion here about the religious girl - she looks just great!!!! - I thought it might be

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[Runey]

I started a new game from the beginning, so I still don't know about the update. Just reading the discussion here about the religious girl - she looks just great!!!! - I thought it might be

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I'll most likely be including options to: 1, agree with her (lie or not). 2, The "Whatever you say, Honey" and 3, "Shut the fuck up about your bullshit" in her events.

 

[Gaijin100]

i just heard of this game today and just wanted to say Lin calling the computer the thing people use to yell out the window ( or something like that ) was cute and gave me a lol i never expected in a porn game lololol

also all this relgious drama in this thread LMFAO ( ignores )

 

[rangaru]

You seem to have ignored

I didn't ignored nothing. I don't care, this wasn't the point.

As for not having gangbangs and sharing, sure, from a patriarchal, masculine perspective you might say that.

Again, I don't care, sorry.
My point is metanarration acknowledges that thing like love in relation to sex matters for some people. That fidelity matters for some people. And I'm thinking that bashing "religion" for that particular reason is hipocritical. I'm not against that theme I thing it could be better.

Civil disobedience campaigns can topple dictators if done correctly

If I understend her characters corecttly she is anty-slavery activist alongside her father.

Well, I don't mean to sound rude.

You don't seem to sound rude, rather you sound overy polite.

I said she was meant to embody contradiction. Embody being an important description. You're right, physical appearance and moral attitudes are completely different things. She doesn't have control over one thing, and she does the other. That's why she embodies the contradiction. Same thing applies to her ancestors being the crusaders attacking the elves, and now here she is trying to protect them. Yes, she did not attack the elves, she wasn't born then, and is trying to help the elves. But she embodies the contraction of her people.

Far enough, It's seems reasonable.

 

[ray3dave]

I'll most likely be including options to: 1, agree with her (lie or not). 2, The "Whatever you say, Honey" and 3, "Shut the fuck up about your bullshit" in her events.

... that's nice, but it would be nicer if agreeing with her opened up some possibilities. Actually I am not sure whether I want to play that story line. I grew up far away from relegion and I don't understand that stuff, but looking at that supergorgeous girl the thought freaks me out that she might convince me and convert me into a believer... You never know...

 

[UnDeaD_CyBorG]

Whelp, now we did actually get the vaunted self-censorship.
A completely unrelated question though: Will early Lin eventually get a rework?
I noticed Kali scenes look a lot better than early on, and the difference was notable.

 

[Runey]

... that's nice, but it would be nicer if agrreeing with her opened up some possibilities. Actually I am not sure whether I want to play that story line. I grew up far away from relegion and I don't understand that stuff, but looking at that supergorgeous girl the thought reaks me out that she might convince me and convert me into a believer... You never know...

She wont be converting you, you'll be converting her. Take those words any way you want

Whelp, now we did actually get the vaunted self-censorship.
A completely unrelated question though: Will early Lin eventually get a rework?
I noticed Kali scenes look a lot better than early on, and the difference was notable.

You mean the quality of the pictures? Yes, through the months I've been working on HH, I've become more skilled at making better pictures. A lot of them used to be a LOT worse

(I can give anyone here the earliest build of HH like 2 weeks into development if you want to see how bad it was, just DM me on discord)

Which events do you have in mind? I don't have any specific events I have in mind that need to be reworked. Would love for you to point them out to me.

 

[DarthSeduction]

My point is metanarration acknowledges that thing like love in relation to sex matters for some people. That fidelity matters for some people. And I'm thinking that bashing "religion" for that particular reason is hipocritical. I'm not against that theme I thing it could be better.

of those 4 virginities only 1 was withheld for love.

I didn't ignored nothing. I don't care, this wasn't the point.
Again, I don't care, sorry.

My point has been your metanarrative about love and sex isn't actually there. Only 1. 1 character in a game with slaves, bondage, domination and exhibitionism gave up their virginity for love.

Runey doesn't bash religion. The game questions its motives, it's conviction, but hasn't bashed it. The religion in question did some questionable things in the past. Autumn is presented with this uncomfortable fact twice, what does she do? Does she accept it and explain that she wants to make amends for the sins of the past? Or does she try to defend the church, imply that it didn't happen?

Autumn needed to be challenged in this way. This isn't to say that she needs to give up on her religion. It is to say that she has to open her eyes and see the corruption, because until she does she can't be a means to fix anything. The current Pope is doing a lot to reform the Catholic Church, imagine if he had instead turned the other way and pretended the church had done nothing wrong in the past? Just because one is religious, just because one follows a faith, does not mean one must defend the actions of the men of that faith who have done wrong. Until she was confronted Autumn was that type. Who will she become?

If I understend her characters corecttly she is anty-slavery activist alongside her father.

There's been no proof of that. Even with regards to her father, the only thing we know for sure is that he refused to take work that directly involved getting his hands dirty with slavery. However, even allowing for the father to be an activist, the conversation with Lin was Autumns chance to answer that she has been. The way she recoiled to the verbal lashing speaks volumes, Autumn herself talks the talk, but has yet to walk the walk. In being challenged in that way I see a future where she does try to actually take action. However I do not see anything in this release as showing us that she was already.

 

[Runey]

My point has been your metanarrative about love and sex isn't actually there. Only 1. 1 character in a game with slaves, bondage, domination and exhibitionism gave up their virginity for love.

Runey doesn't bash religion. The game questions its motives, it's conviction, but hasn't bashed it. The religion in question did some questionable things in the past. Autumn is presented with this uncomfortable fact twice, what does she do? Does she accept it and explain that she wants to make amends for the sins of the past? Or does she try to defend the church, imply that it didn't happen?

Autumn needed to be challenged in this way. This isn't to say that she needs to give up on her religion. It is to say that she has to open her eyes and see the corruption, because until she does she can't be a means to fix anything. The current Pope is doing a lot to reform the Catholic Church, imagine if he had instead turned the other way and pretended the church had done nothing wrong in the past? Just because one is religious, just because one follows a faith, does not mean one must defend the actions of the men of that faith who have done wrong. Until she was confronted Autumn was that type. Who will she become?



There's been no proof of that. Even with regards to her father, the only thing we know for sure is that he refused to take work that directly involved getting his hands dirty with slavery. However, even allowing for the father to be an activist, the conversation with Lin was Autumns chance to answer that she has been. The way she recoiled to the verbal lashing speaks volumes, Autumn herself talks the talk, but has yet to walk the walk. In being challenged in that way I see a future where she does try to actually take action. However I do not see anything in this release as showing us that she was already.

Let's try to calm this religion thing down, discussions about it are fine, but let's try to not argue about it.

It's said in game that Autumn's father is actually very active in stopping slavery, and was one of the sole reasons Elves have all these new rights. Autumn also says "Many people wanted a man of his skillset, but all the work he could find was hurting elves, one way or another" So this implies that he wouldn't take a job even if it was indirectly hurting Elves. This is probably why he built his own cafe with his OWN hands (and his daughters helped)

That's all I wanted to correct though.