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This is seriously one of the best (if not the best game) I every played from f95 Zone.

"What are your top 3 features/events/whatever you would like to be in game?"

- More (public) humiliation (like leading a girl around on a leash, make her eat her foot out of a dog bowl, let her sleep in a cage, stuff like this)
- A punishing room (punishing without having sex)
- The possibility to get rid of a girl (I really don't like Ashley)
 

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New question!

What are your top 3 features/events/whatever you would like to be in game?
Hmm there is already so much in the game it is hard to come up with something new. So I will just repeat some of my previous requests :)

1) More options for different girls to sleep with you at night. Maybe be able to do more than sleep.

2) More chances for 3somes with the girls.

3) More Ellen, the one time was nice but we really need to get her more involved. I could see her joining the MC in 'training' girls in the dungeon. We could watch her discipline the other girls for us :) .
 
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I don't have control over this thread, I would change it if I could, or just never upload a super compressed version. They're only a little bit smaller than the original builds.

@bossapplesauce Uploads compressed versions of games, it's what he does. He's already been tagged in this thread. There's nothing more I can do.
@crust is the one who made the compressed version of this game, not me
 
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There is one mild NTR scene here when Ashley loses her virginity to the MC. Maria then eats the cum out of Ashley's pussy.

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Ashley, Maria, and the MC make up a very light and mild threesome also. Maria encourages Ashley through the entire scene.
This has nothing - not even in the remotest - to do with NTR

but
at that moment in time there is no actual romantic relationship between any of the parties involved.
If I'm not comletely wrong, ashley has already fallen for the mc at this point.

But still, this has nothing to do with NTR!


- The possibility to get rid of a girl (I really don't like Ashley)
What? How? Why? ...just spank the brat out of her and everyone will be happy!
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We just have to look at the scene where all the elves appear. That seems to be full on NTR for some, while it is actually not. And I doubt anyone would label it as NTR, if Lucy gets MC and Kali had to watch, because the player makes a character feel jealousy and not the other way around.
Technically, you're right, that's not NTR, but with the way some people act around here, another character apart from the MC so much as looks at another girl (not even our girl, could be a fucking stranger walking down the street) it's considered NTR.
Same for Felicity and Android.
What? No. I know Felicity is your waifu and everything, but it would be totally out of character to see her switch to dom. Android on the other hand, sure that could work, but Maria sounds more fun because we would probably need to help her/convince her to take things further whereas Android would just be like: anal training ENGAGED.
There is one mild NTR scene here when Ashley loses her virginity to the MC. Maria then eats the cum out of Ashley's pussy.
Some people already commented on this, but yeah, that's not NTR in the slightest.
 

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No. This is not even remotely NTR. Please, don't misuse terms.
Where do you see any NTR going here? First and foremost, at that moment in time there is no actual romantic relationship between any of the parties involved. Second, no one is snatching away anyone from someone else.
Netorare is a very specific genre, it's not an umbrella term for any and every interpersonal dynamic outside of vanilla bigamy.
NTR definition is one of the most controversial topics in porn. It has been debated to death and still there is no consensus. It is up to the player to determine if it is NTR for them. Who said that the player doesn't have a romantic relationship with Ashley? Ashley certainly thinks so. It's up to the player to decide that. Who said that the player was 100% OK with Maria taking over and eating out the creampie the player just gave Ashley? It's up to the player to decide that.

It's all a matter of perspective. Some people have a broad definition of NTR and some have a narrow definition of NTR. No one person has ownership of the NTR definition. "Please, don't misuse terms." - :LOL:
 

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NTR definition is one of the most controversial topics in porn. It has been debated to death and still there is no consensus. It is up to the player to determine if it is NTR for them. Who said that the player doesn't have a romantic relationship with Ashley? Ashley certainly thinks so. It's up to the player to decide that. Who said that the player was 100% OK with Maria taking over and eating out the creampie the player just gave Ashley? It's up to the player to decide that.

It's all a matter of perspective. Some people have a broad definition of NTR and some have a narrow definition of NTR. No one person has ownership of the NTR definition. "Please, don't misuse terms."
The one common theme between everyone's broad (generally incorrect) versions of NTR is that it has to invoke jealousy in the MC. I'm pretty sure the MC was not thinking: "damn, I really wish it was me eating my own cum out of Ashley." Technically speaking, I'm pretty sure that NTR means someone stealing someone away from the MC, which implies that the MC and said someone have a love interest in eachother. However, a lot of people, especially on this site, broaden that to mean MC seeing any sexual activity that invokes jealousy in the MC because he/she is not participating in it.
 
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NTR definition is one of the most controversial topics in porn. It has been debated to death and still there is no consensus. It is up to the player to determine if it is NTR for them. Who said that the player doesn't have a romantic relationship with Ashley? Ashley certainly thinks so. It's up to the player to decide that. Who said that the player was 100% OK with Maria taking over and eating out the creampie the player just gave Ashley? It's up to the player to decide that.

It's all a matter of perspective. Some people have a broad definition of NTR and some have a narrow definition of NTR. No one person has ownership of the NTR definition. "Please, don't misuse terms."
by definition: NTR is when you have to watch your partner getting fucked by someone else and you don't want it.
 

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by definition: NTR is when you have to watch your partner getting fucked by someone else and you don't want it.
And it seems that a lot of people expand this to any character that was or is likely going to have some intimate time with the MC. (That is why the elf orgy in lins story could be considered to be ntr by some, because we are very likely to get these characters in the hotel)
I‘m a jealous person myself, but my definition of ntr is kind of blurred, too. But there is absolutely no ntr in Harem Hotel right now. Atleast in my opinion
 

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NTR definition is one of the most controversial topics in porn. It has been debated to death and still there is no consensus. It is up to the player to determine if it is NTR for them. Who said that the player doesn't have a romantic relationship with Ashley? Ashley certainly thinks so. It's up to the player to decide that. Who said that the player was 100% OK with Maria taking over and eating out the creampie the player just gave Ashley? It's up to the player to decide that.

It's all a matter of perspective. Some people have a broad definition of NTR and some have a narrow definition of NTR. No one person has ownership of the NTR definition. "Please, don't misuse terms."
I have over ten years of experience in Japanese hentai comics and a good chunk of that experience involves netorare. The definition is not at all unclear. The word refers to a romantic interest being taken by someone else. There is no philosophical minutia to be accounted for and there is no broad or strict sense. For something to be taken from someone, that something needs to belong to someone in the first place.
If there is no romantic bond in no form nor fashion it is not netorare because its basic requirement isn't met.
The scene you referenced has three characters in it, none of whom have any bilateral bond at that time. The only romantic interest is nurtured unilaterally by Ashley (and no, headcanon doesn't count), so there is no bond to be broken by taking away someone from someone else.
Even admitting a relationship exists between the MC and Ashley, there would still be no NTR because no one is snatching away anyone from anybody. The sexual act is among the two people involved romantically and the third just watches (voyeurism, not NTR). Then we have the third licking one of the members of the couple; this is still not NTR because this act doesn't constitute per se a breaking of the couple's bond in favour of the third person and there is no complaint by the MC - thus it could be at most netorase, that is the act of letting someone else enjoy your love interest.

In conclusion, netorare is a genre in which a bond is broken to the detriment of the character the audience is supposed to identify as, not one in which a bond is shared. It is supposed to evoke the negative feelings of being cheated on. The scene you referred to doesn't do that, it's from start to finish a three-way act with consent from all parties involved and no hurt feelings.

Look up the differences between netorare, netorase and netori to get a clearer picture. You did misuse the term. No hentai comic ever would call itself netorare in its title because of such a scene.
The only thing controversial about netorare is that some people hate it with a passion. Nothing more.
 

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I have over ten years of experience in Japanese hentai comics and a good chunk of that experience involves netorare. The definition is not at all unclear. The word refers to a romantic interest being taken by someone else. There is no philosophical minutia to be accounted for and there is no broad or strict sense. For something to be taken from someone, that something needs to belong to someone in the first place.
If there is no romantic bond in no form nor fashion it is not netorare because its basic requirement isn't met.
The scene you referenced has three characters in it, none of whom have any bilateral bond at that time. The only romantic interest is nurtured unilaterally by Ashley (and no, headcanon doesn't count), so there is no bond to be broken by taking away someone from someone else.
Even admitting a relationship exists between the MC and Ashley, there would still be no NTR because no one is snatching away anyone from anybody. The sexual act is among the two people involved romantically and the third just watches (voyeurism, not NTR). Then we have the third licking one of the members of the couple; this is still not NTR because this act doesn't constitute per se a breaking of the couple's bond in favour of the third person and there is no complaint by the MC - thus it could be at most netorase, that is the act of letting someone else enjoy your love interest.

In conclusion, netorare is a genre in which a bond is broken to the detriment of the character the audience is supposed to identify as, not one in which a bond is shared. It is supposed to evoke the negative feelings of being cheated on. The scene you referred to doesn't do that, it's from start to finish a three-way act with consent from all parties involved and no hurt feelings.

Look up the differences between netorare, netorase and netori to get a clearer picture. You did misuse the term. No hentai comic ever would call itself netorare in its title because of such a scene.
The only thing controversial about netorare is that some people hate it with a passion. Nothing more.
Sorry but you aren't God. You don't decide. The topic is highly controversial.

If you wish to waste your time reading debates about NTR here is 14 pages for you -

No. I don't have to do what you tell me.
Now you are under control...
 

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Sorry but you aren't God. You don't decide. The topic is highly controversial.

If you wish to waste your time reading debates about NTR here is 14 pages for you -

No. I don't have to do what you tell me.
Now you are under control...
People not knowing what something is doesn't mean that something's definition is controversial.
I could run a poll on a juridical concept in any country and have people kill each other in the comments over whether the definition is one or another, but that doesn't mean that in a trial lawyers and judges would find the concept necessarily controversial. It would be just a matter of technical knowledge, the concept is clear in its field and agreed on by people knowledgeable in it, whilst it is not among the general public.
The same happens here. People just struggle getting a good grasp of a foreign concept, but that doesn't mean that the term in its original context is at all controversial or unclear.
In Japanese that's a word with a clear meaning and hentai comics that use it in the title or in their description are all coherent and clearly point to a precise definition. Find me a hentai comic in which the term is used in a context like the one you referred to. I dare you. You are not obligated, but I dare you.

Going by your "definition" any threesome is NTR if there is a couple in it.
And that's fucking bullshit.
 

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No. You really want to debate this for the next 5 pages and waste everyone's time? LOL!
And it seems that a lot of people expand this to any character that was or is likely going to have some intimate time with the MC. (That is why the elf orgy in lins story could be considered to be ntr by some, because we are very likely to get these characters in the hotel)
I‘m a jealous person myself, but my definition of ntr is kind of blurred, too. But there is absolutely no ntr in Harem Hotel right now. Atleast in my opinion
I have over ten years of experience in Japanese hentai comics and a good chunk of that experience involves netorare. The definition is not at all unclear. The word refers to a romantic interest being taken by someone else. There is no philosophical minutia to be accounted for and there is no broad or strict sense. For something to be taken from someone, that something needs to belong to someone in the first place.
If there is no romantic bond in no form nor fashion it is not netorare because its basic requirement isn't met.
The scene you referenced has three characters in it, none of whom have any bilateral bond at that time. The only romantic interest is nurtured unilaterally by Ashley (and no, headcanon doesn't count), so there is no bond to be broken by taking away someone from someone else.
Even admitting a relationship exists between the MC and Ashley, there would still be no NTR because no one is snatching away anyone from anybody. The sexual act is among the two people involved romantically and the third just watches (voyeurism, not NTR). Then we have the third licking one of the members of the couple; this is still not NTR because this act doesn't constitute per se a breaking of the couple's bond in favour of the third person and there is no complaint by the MC - thus it could be at most netorase, that is the act of letting someone else enjoy your love interest.

In conclusion, netorare is a genre in which a bond is broken to the detriment of the character the audience is supposed to identify as, not one in which a bond is shared. It is supposed to evoke the negative feelings of being cheated on. The scene you referred to doesn't do that, it's from start to finish a three-way act with consent from all parties involved and no hurt feelings.

Look up the differences between netorare, netorase and netori to get a clearer picture. You did misuse the term. No hentai comic ever would call itself netorare in its title because of such a scene.
The only thing controversial about netorare is that some people hate it with a passion. Nothing more.
Sorry but you aren't God. You don't decide. The topic is highly controversial.

If you wish to waste your time reading debates about NTR here is 14 pages for you -

No. I don't have to do what you tell me.
Now you are under control...
People not knowing what something is doesn't mean that something's definition is controversial.
I could run a poll on a juridical concept in any country and have people kill each other in the comments over whether the definition is one or another, but that doesn't mean that in a trial lawyers and judges would find the concept necessarily controversial. It would be just a matter of technical knowledge, the concept is clear in its field and agreed on by people knowledgeable in it, whilst it is not among the general public.
The same happens here. People just struggle getting a good grasp of a foreign concept, but that doesn't mean that the term in its original context is at all controversial or unclear.
In Japanese that's a word with a clear meaning and hentai comics that use it in the title or in their description are all coherent and clearly point to a precise definition. Find me a hentai comic in which the term is used in a context like the one you referred to. I dare you. You are not obligated, but I dare you.

Going by your "definition" any threesome is NTR if there is a couple in it.
And that's fucking bullshit.
Did I say something? Nahh I didn't :whistle:

Anyway err.... I like ashley :LOL:
 
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