VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

[kiwigunner]

How do i get Autumn to her finial exhibition scene, i have tried everything and cant seem to find an answer online. Any advice would be great!

 

[Runey]

How do i get Autumn to her finial exhibition scene, i have tried everything and cant seem to find an answer online. Any advice would be great!

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[TheDevian]

And my comment was in future tense, not what is happening, but what will later down the same path. This is dealing with a lot of unknowns. We know that the birth rate was high enough to cause a boom at one point, but we don't know what it is now or where it is heading.

Unfortunately, the many who do care aren't enough or aren't in high enough positions. One elf isn't a problem, but when more than that start dropping from the mistreatment, that's when the problem comes up, especially when it overcomes the birth rate.

I'm not so sure about Nia given her views on the slave trade. She seems more...violently inclined toward that than a good spy would need to be. She absolutely can't let her feelings get in the way of her mission, the last thing we need is for her to blow her cover and the entire operation in some sudden attack because she snapped or whatever else causes her to be unable to hold back. Then there's another issue that covers all our elves, the fact that they are elves. Being discovered is a surefire way to blow not only that operation, but any chance at a redo. As much as I support the elves, I think either the fairies, with their invisibility, or a human would be better suited to intelligence gathering, especially behind enemy lines. Humans aren't likely to draw suspicion based on appearance unless the person is a known elf sympathizer and any current owners, the player character perhaps, would be welcomed assuming the previous sentence is false, that they are not known to be a sympathizer. A smear based on actual evidence would be much more potent because it can't be refuted. A smear that is entirely false only needs to be publicly proven false, as does happen in elections in the real world, and then it backfires. I mean, they could use the Goebbels principles to pass off an outright lie, but that can be risky as well.

All in all, there is a lot to consider going into something like opposing the people in power already during an election or otherwise.

While I don't think most of them care about the future any more than the humans here, your whole point revolves around 'continuing as they are now', which very well could be the elf population growing exponentially. We have no evidence that 'what they are doing' will lead to the depopulation of the species. And even if it did, I doubt that most people who are in charge care. They won't be the ones in charge when it becomes a problem, so they won't have to deal with it, they can just blame the other candidates for it, and say they are the only ones who can fix it. They will use that to take more power. That is the problem when the people in charge only care about power, and nothing else.

This is an exact copy of how things work in the real world, the only difference is the topic they are ignoring.

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Hard to say, while her temper is high, it is possible for her to be convinced of the need for discretion, keeping things on the down-low is one of her skills, though the fairies would be the main source. That said, there are just some missions that will require someone with more strength than a fairie.

Breaking and entering, it won't much matter who you are, getting caught is game over. There is a reason she dresses up like a human when she goes on these raids.

Real data can help, but isn't even close to needed for a smear campaign, in fact, sometimes it can hurt. A bit of photoshop, some well places memes, a few rumors here and there. Of course it will help if they can a media company on their side, like she could buy a tv network. This would allow them to spread any sort of bullshit rumors they want, as well as airing tv shows that portray elves in a positive light.

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One thing that I think would help some, is to have more than one location, like being able to take them to the beach or the cafe (or maybe other places). This would also help with the exhibitionism scenes, keeping them fresh.

Stringing Kali's new exhibitionism events would be a prime target for stringing events together. They flow nicely like that.

You have some stringing with some of the lust events, or at least the start of it, with the edging. I would also like to see options for the level 9 event, I know that kind of defeats the point, but it would be nice to have more incentive to reach level 9. At the moment, the only reason is for the points, since I don't really like those scenes that much (no offense, just too close to femdom for me), IDK about anyone else, but to me, the level 6 ones have the best scenes (at least for Maria and Kali), but ending there is a waste of time, since you don't get points. I have taken to avoiding Lin, because the only one of her events that is a real turn on is the body inspection, so avoiding her is the only way to keep her from wasting my morning, keeping me from the authentic headpats. The others are nice, but only the ones in the kitchen are 'true' headpats...

What I am thinking is that the level 6 ones should all have some exhibitionism ones, like Maria and Kali, and the level 9 ones should include something new in the dungeon. "Fine, you want to get fucked that badly, then come with me." "Where are you taking me?" "You'll find out..." Then take her to the dungeon and use her like the sex toy she is. Maybe tie her up, complete with a blindfold and gag, and pound her until she is a drooling mess or maybe leave off the gags, and use every hole she has...

On another topic, if Lin is not going to be in the kitchen on her shower day, can that be moved to Wednesday? Kill two birds with one stone... I don't really see why that had to be changed anyway, the shower can't take all morning, just say she is doing that at the end of her shift.

I am curious how you plan to do the outfits for the twins, will you do every combination, will they need to be paired up, will it only be one at a time? Lots of options. I will look forward to trying all of their related events. That is the real question, how will those be done, as pairs, or one at a time? Can't wait to see how that goes. Maybe Ellen can help out with some, like holding one down, sitting on her face while making out with the MC? IDK...

For Android, I am thinking a public BJ would be a fitting lust event, since to her, that is one of the dirtiest 'holes' she has.

Here's hoping we get some Jia and Ren love this time around. ;p

Thanks again for making this and listening to us.

 

[Kane_Freeman]

While I don't think most of them care about the future any more than the humans here, your whole point revolves around 'continuing as they are now', which very well could be the elf population growing exponentially. We have no evidence that 'what they are doing' will lead to the depopulation of the species. And even if it did, I doubt that most people who are in charge care. They won't be the ones in charge when it becomes a problem, so they won't have to deal with it, they can just blame the other candidates for it, and say they are the only ones who can fix it. They will use that to take more power. That is the problem when the people in charge only care about power, and nothing else.

This is an exact copy of how things work in the real world, the only difference is the topic they are ignoring.

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Hard to say, while her temper is high, it is possible for her to be convinced of the need for discretion, keeping things on the down-low is one of her skills, though the fairies would be the main source. That said, there are just some missions that will require someone with more strength than a fairie.

Breaking and entering, it won't much matter who you are, getting caught is game over. There is a reason she dresses up like a human when she goes on these raids.

Real data can help, but isn't even close to needed for a smear campaign, in fact, sometimes it can hurt. A bit of photoshop, some well places memes, a few rumors here and there. Of course it will help if they can a media company on their side, like she could buy a tv network. This would allow them to spread any sort of bullshit rumors they want, as well as airing tv shows that portray elves in a positive light.

One thing that I think would help some, is to have more than one location, like being able to take them to the beach or the cafe (or maybe other places). This would also help with the exhibitionism scenes, keeping them fresh.

Stringing Kali's new exhibitionism events would be a prime target for stringing events together. They flow nicely like that.

You have some stringing with some of the lust events, or at least the start of it, with the edging. I would also like to see options for the level 9 event, I know that kind of defeats the point, but it would be nice to have more incentive to reach level 9. At the moment, the only reason is for the points, since I don't really like those scenes that much (no offense, just too close to femdom for me), IDK about anyone else, but to me, the level 6 ones have the best scenes (at least for Maria and Kali), but ending there is a waste of time, since you don't get points. I have taken to avoiding Lin, because the only one of her events that is a real turn on is the body inspection, so avoiding her is the only way to keep her from wasting my morning, keeping me from the authentic headpats. The others are nice, but only the ones in the kitchen are 'true' headpats...

What I am thinking is that the level 6 ones should all have some exhibitionism ones, like Maria and Kali, and the level 9 ones should include something new in the dungeon. "Fine, you want to get fucked that badly, then come with me." "Where are you taking me?" "You'll find out..." Then take her to the dungeon and use her like the sex toy she is. Maybe tie her up, complete with a blindfold and gag, and pound her until she is a drooling mess or maybe leave off the gags, and use every hole she has...

On another topic, if Lin is not going to be in the kitchen on her shower day, can that be moved to Wednesday? Kill two birds with one stone... I don't really see why that had to be changed anyway, the shower can't take all morning, just say she is doing that at the end of her shift.

I am curious how you plan to do the outfits for the twins, will you do every combination, will they need to be paired up, will it only be one at a time? Lots of options. I will look forward to trying all of their related events. That is the real question, how will those be done, as pairs, or one at a time? Can't wait to see how that goes. Maybe Ellen can help out with some, like holding one down, sitting on her face while making out with the MC? IDK...

For Android, I am thinking a public BJ would be a fitting lust event, since to her, that is one of the dirtiest 'holes' she has.

Here's hoping we get some Jia and Ren love this time around. ;p

Thanks again for making this and listening to us.

Dude... I love your comments.

 

[alex2011]

While I don't think most of them care about the future any more than the humans here, your whole point revolves around 'continuing as they are now', which very well could be the elf population growing exponentially. We have no evidence that 'what they are doing' will lead to the depopulation of the species. And even if it did, I doubt that most people who are in charge care. They won't be the ones in charge when it becomes a problem, so they won't have to deal with it, they can just blame the other candidates for it, and say they are the only ones who can fix it. They will use that to take more power. That is the problem when the people in charge only care about power, and nothing else.

This is an exact copy of how things work in the real world, the only difference is the topic they are ignoring.

--- --- ---​

Hard to say, while her temper is high, it is possible for her to be convinced of the need for discretion, keeping things on the down-low is one of her skills, though the fairies would be the main source. That said, there are just some missions that will require someone with more strength than a fairie.

Breaking and entering, it won't much matter who you are, getting caught is game over. There is a reason she dresses up like a human when she goes on these raids.

Real data can help, but isn't even close to needed for a smear campaign, in fact, sometimes it can hurt. A bit of photoshop, some well places memes, a few rumors here and there. Of course it will help if they can a media company on their side, like she could buy a tv network. This would allow them to spread any sort of bullshit rumors they want, as well as airing tv shows that portray elves in a positive light.

One thing that I think would help some, is to have more than one location, like being able to take them to the beach or the cafe (or maybe other places). This would also help with the exhibitionism scenes, keeping them fresh.

Stringing Kali's new exhibitionism events would be a prime target for stringing events together. They flow nicely like that.

You have some stringing with some of the lust events, or at least the start of it, with the edging. I would also like to see options for the level 9 event, I know that kind of defeats the point, but it would be nice to have more incentive to reach level 9. At the moment, the only reason is for the points, since I don't really like those scenes that much (no offense, just too close to femdom for me), IDK about anyone else, but to me, the level 6 ones have the best scenes (at least for Maria and Kali), but ending there is a waste of time, since you don't get points. I have taken to avoiding Lin, because the only one of her events that is a real turn on is the body inspection, so avoiding her is the only way to keep her from wasting my morning, keeping me from the authentic headpats. The others are nice, but only the ones in the kitchen are 'true' headpats...

What I am thinking is that the level 6 ones should all have some exhibitionism ones, like Maria and Kali, and the level 9 ones should include something new in the dungeon. "Fine, you want to get fucked that badly, then come with me." "Where are you taking me?" "You'll find out..." Then take her to the dungeon and use her like the sex toy she is. Maybe tie her up, complete with a blindfold and gag, and pound her until she is a drooling mess or maybe leave off the gags, and use every hole she has...

On another topic, if Lin is not going to be in the kitchen on her shower day, can that be moved to Wednesday? Kill two birds with one stone... I don't really see why that had to be changed anyway, the shower can't take all morning, just say she is doing that at the end of her shift.

I am curious how you plan to do the outfits for the twins, will you do every combination, will they need to be paired up, will it only be one at a time? Lots of options. I will look forward to trying all of their related events. That is the real question, how will those be done, as pairs, or one at a time? Can't wait to see how that goes. Maybe Ellen can help out with some, like holding one down, sitting on her face while making out with the MC? IDK...

For Android, I am thinking a public BJ would be a fitting lust event, since to her, that is one of the dirtiest 'holes' she has.

Here's hoping we get some Jia and Ren love this time around. ;p

Thanks again for making this and listening to us.

Or the growth could be over and is now ust a facade, like the reforms. This is one of many unknowns in this line of speculation. You would be right about the people in charge, that one isn't an unknown, it is blatantly obvious that they don't care or the reforms would be enforced in full, much like some laws in the real world get passed and then are never enforced all for points with the constituency, a facade of caring all to maintain power. The problem can be summed up in a what if. What if the problem is much worse than they think it is because, when they last noticed, it didn't exist, so they stopped paying attention since they don't care. If they notice the population decline begin to threaten their power, yes, they are going to do something about it guaranteed all to maintain that power. But since they don't care, they may not even notice it happen when the elf population starts dropping at a rate that doesn't just threaten future leaders, but becomes a threat to them as well. If the decline becomes heavy enough, it won't just affect the future, it will affect the current leaders and they risk not only the economic prosperity of Syl'anar, but their own position.

It is possible, but especially in an active election, time would be a crucial asset that cannot be replenished. It would be easier and safer to use a human so she doesn't put both herself, any captive elves, the entire operation, and any future attempts at risk. This is why I suggest humans do it, less volatility than Nia and more strength than a fairy.

As far as breaking and entering, that's not what I meant. I'm thinking more an infiltration by 'joining' the ranks of the other side. Becoming one of them to learn some juicy details that may not even be obtainable with simply sneaking around unnoticed. Becoming a double agent to gain intelligence right from the people we are working against. There has to be someone with loose enough lips around their own people.

Real data isn't needed, but it is much more solid than a lie, especially if the other side comes up with the real data to debunk that lie. Even the Goebbels Principles don't stand up to the truth when the truth is backed by evidence while the lie being subjected to said principles is not.

I have no doubt that Kali would be VERY capable of buying significant media coverage in support of her side, even without her father's company backing her. I think that is going to be their strongest asset if the story goes that route considering how effective it can be in real life. Elections change drastically in real life based on media coverage alone. In fact, some say elections in the US in particular are less based on votes and more based on who can throw the larger amount of money at the media to get more air time. This, of course, is not entirely the case, but the notion does have some merit. Especially if she has the funds to buy ALL of the media, leaving her opposition with nothing. It would be a complete massacre in the political arena if she somehow managed that.

 

[TheDevian]

Or the growth could be over and is now ust a facade, like the reforms. This is one of many unknowns in this line of speculation. You would be right about the people in charge, that one isn't an unknown, it is blatantly obvious that they don't care or the reforms would be enforced in full, much like some laws in the real world get passed and then are never enforced all for points with the constituency, a facade of caring all to maintain power. The problem can be summed up in a what if. What if the problem is much worse than they think it is because, when they last noticed, it didn't exist, so they stopped paying attention since they don't care. If they notice the population decline begin to threaten their power, yes, they are going to do something about it guaranteed all to maintain that power. But since they don't care, they may not even notice it happen when the elf population starts dropping at a rate that doesn't just threaten future leaders, but becomes a threat to them as well. If the decline becomes heavy enough, it won't just affect the future, it will affect the current leaders and they risk not only the economic prosperity of Syl'anar, but their own position.

It is possible, but especially in an active election, time would be a crucial asset that cannot be replenished. It would be easier and safer to use a human so she doesn't put both herself, any captive elves, the entire operation, and any future attempts at risk. This is why I suggest humans do it, less volatility than Nia and more strength than a fairy.

As far as breaking and entering, that's not what I meant. I'm thinking more an infiltration by 'joining' the ranks of the other side. Becoming one of them to learn some juicy details that may not even be obtainable with simply sneaking around unnoticed. Becoming a double agent to gain intelligence right from the people we are working against. There has to be someone with loose enough lips around their own people.

Real data isn't needed, but it is much more solid than a lie, especially if the other side comes up with the real data to debunk that lie. Even the Goebbels Principles don't stand up to the truth when the truth is backed by evidence while the lie being subjected to said principles is not.

I have no doubt that Kali would be VERY capable of buying significant media coverage in support of her side, even without her father's company backing her. I think that is going to be their strongest asset if the story goes that route considering how effective it can be in real life. Elections change drastically in real life based on media coverage alone. In fact, some say elections in the US in particular are less based on votes and more based on who can throw the larger amount of money at the media to get more air time. This, of course, is not entirely the case, but the notion does have some merit. Especially if she has the funds to buy ALL of the media, leaving her opposition with nothing. It would be a complete massacre in the political arena if she somehow managed that.

It could be anything. We have nothing to base any kind of theory on, all we have it pure conjecture at best, with little to no evidence to back it up.

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As for the espionage, that is usually best to leave to the fairies.

Sure, but infiltrating by being one of them is something that would take a lot of time. You have to earn their trust, work your way up, and so on. Double agents are nice, but that can take years to set up.

You would think that, but in the real world, most of the time, it's the made up stuff that takes, though I admit, that it helps to have the lie based on something that is true. "We know they did X, so obviously they had to have done Y and Z too!!!" You just need people to spread that 'news'.

Sadly, that is true about out elections, which is kind of my point, and it can be done mostly anonymously.

This is why Kali is the head wife.

 

[Corvus Belli]

Even the Goebbels Principles don't stand up to the truth when the truth is backed by evidence while the lie being subjected to said principles is not.

You think so? Because I'd say the sheer number of people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that vaccines contain microchips so that Bill Gates can track you (or they'll give you autism, or make you docile and easier for the government mind control satellites, or whatever other insanity is making the rounds at the moment) proves that no amount of evidence will convince some people of the truth. Some lies are believed in spite of all the evidence against them, and some truths are ignored despite a preponderance of evidence.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on."

 

[TheDevian]

You think so? Because I'd say the sheer number of people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that vaccines contain microchips so that Bill Gates can track you (or they'll give you autism, or make you docile and easier for the government mind control satellites, or whatever other insanity is making the rounds at the moment) proves that no amount of evidence will convince some people of the truth. Some lies are believed in spite of all the evidence against them, and some truths are ignored despite a preponderance of evidence.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on."

Yup, it is far easier to convince people of a lie, than it is to convince them that they have been lied to.

 

[Corvus Belli]

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I'd love for the repeatable date/hang out content to get a rework. It's something I've suggested a few times, because I think it underlines the feel of this as a relationship. One of the problems with it, though, is that it'll be a lot of under-the-hood work, for a pay-off that some people aren't even going to notice, and others are going to see and go "oh, neat" then stop thinking about. On the other hand, one of the advantages of expanding the conversation between the girls and the MC is that you can add a few new lines in any update that you feel like without any fanfare. Just, "I wrote some fun Kali date dialogue, I'll include it in this update" or "this Ashley dialogue, where she tells you all the things she wants you to do to her in detail, is ridiculously hot, but it doesn't really fit in the events I've written for her; I'm adding it to her date conversations, because it's my game, and I can do that if I want".

I'd like to see (not this update, because you've already got a lot planned, but maybe at some point next year) a rework/expansion of the gallery. I'd like all the girls' story events, even the non-sexual ones, to be replayed from a gallery. That'd also let players see new, rebuilt scenes when you make them, without having to play through the game. Just, "Oh, Ashley's 13th story event's been redone? Let's see what's different. Click."

The chaining together sex scenes sounds interesting; given that my knowledge of computer programming is about equal to my knowledge of 3rd-century Bedouin poetry, I have no idea how difficult it might be, but it does sounds ambitious to me.

I'd like to see more content, either story events or repeatable ones, with more than one girl; again, I think it helps the world feel more alive if the girls evolve their interpersonal relationships with one another, and not just with the "roommate" some of them have. Scenes like Ashley and Kali going for pizza, the Twins & Ashley going to the cabin, the Kali/Moon/Emma gaming were all great; the more of those type of events the better, in my opinion.
The events with all the girls together are also fun, but I don't think those work as well in terms of "the girls are growing closer/resolving their diferences/gaining fresh insight into one another" because it's difficult to focus on those moments in a scene with nine or more characters. I think the girls work better in small groups, if you're looking to explore their relationships with one another; "Autumn and Ashley grow closer, because Autumn wants Ashley to know what a loving family is like" or "taking Maria and Android clothes shopping" or "Lin teaches Ashley how to plant a garden, while Kali sunbathes" kind of events are the kind of things I like to see.
Also, two or three girls + the MC lewd scenes, of course. Some of them are obvious; more Kali & Lucia, Maria & Hana, the Twins (like, really though), and Lin & Android. Some are less so; it's strange that you can have Ashley and Maria together during an event, but then not get them to do so again. Same for Kali & Lin, Ashley & the Twins, Maria & Lin, Maria & Android; Maria really does like to play with the MC's toys, doesn't she? How about a potential Emma & Felicity shower option (sometimes when you shower with one of them, the other could come into the shower to join you, too)?

More Moon and Hana, especially in that lingerie of hers; or give every character that same outfit, that would work, too. Yeah, do that. While you're doing that, give every character a maid outfit, too, just because.

 

[Phil Thomas]

Hey does anyone have a save for Kate's events? I overwrote mine

 

[TheDevian]

Maria really does like to play with the MC's toys, doesn't she? How about a potential Emma & Felicity shower option (sometimes when you shower with one of them, the other could come into the shower to join you, too)?

A lot of nice ideas.

That is a good point, now that we see that she plays with toys, some more events with her using them could be really nice. What would also be funny though, is if the one Sylvia 'borrowed' was actually from Hana's box of toys, not one of Maria's, but that is another story... XD
Although, if she looked in Hana's box of toys, she might have been scared off... XD ...Though, I suppose maybe she accidentally left it out one day... lol

Yeah, showering with both twins, now that they are getting along more, would be a nice change.

 

[Corvus Belli]

That is a good point, now that we see that she plays with toys, some more events with her using them could be really nice.

I mean, that's an accurate statement, and one I don't disagree with, but that's not what I meant.
When I said "she likes to play with the MC's toys", I meant she likes to fuck his girls. They're the "toys" I was referring to. She needs to be "punished" for touching his toys without permission; I'm well aware that wouldn't stop her (more likely it'd encourage her) but it's still a nice idea.

I'll also take this opportunity to say your idea for Android's Lust Event was a good one.

Also, now that you've mentioned Sylvia and Hana together, I really want to see Sylvia in Hana's lingerie.

 

[TheDevian]

I mean, that's an accurate statement, and one I don't disagree with, but that's not what I meant.
When I said "she likes to play with the MC's toys", I meant she likes to fuck his girls. They're the "toys" I was referring to. She needs to be "punished" for touching his toys without permission; I'm well aware that wouldn't stop her (more likely it'd encourage her) but it's still a nice idea.

I'll also take this opportunity to say your idea for Android's Lust Event was a good one.

Also, now that you've mentioned Sylvia and Hana together, I really want to see Sylvia in Hana's lingerie.

Also a good point, love to see that too. heheh

I will blame that misunderstanding on my multitasking. XD

We have just had a lot of talk about sex toys lately, with Sylvia's event, Hana's toy box, and a number of other things, so I have been a bit preoccupied with that line of thought of late.

Thank you.

Okay, what I am seeing starts off with Sylvia talking to Hana about their shared heritage, they start to get friendly, Sylvia seeing her something of a tragic almost-equal, and them move up to Maria's room, and a sleep over starts. They change into night clothes, do each other's makeup and hair, and eventually talk of the sex toys comes up, and if on the slave route, Sylvia can take the chance to properly apologize, or on the love route, she could loan her one at the end to trigger a similar event to the one we saw in the Slave route before, except this time she didn't steal it, it was a loan/gift.

 

[Corvus Belli]

We have just had a lot of talk about sex toys lately, with Sylvia's event, Hana's toy box, and a number of other things, so I have been a bit preoccupied with that line of thought of late.

That's certainly one possibility. I can think of a simpler one, though; you're a terrible, sexual deviant.

Okay, what I am seeing starts off with Sylvia talking to Hana about their shared heritage,

I'd amend that to "Nia and Maria talking, and Sylvia overhears Maria mention Hana's heritage, then goes to talk to Hana." I think Maria and Nia talking feels more organic than Sylvia (who's despite her improvement is still pretty conceited and elitist) and Hana (who's painfully shy) striking up their own conversation.
I see the sleep-over starting because they spend so long talking that they lose track of the time, and Hana offers, because she feels comfortable around someone she now perceives as "like one of my biological parents".

 

[itfod]

Wait. Sylvia has an event where she plays with toys...??

Huh. I've either forgotten that, or missed that.

Actually, I'd LOVE to see some sex and creampie scenes with the girls in the lingerie Moon wore that one time. I totally love that style of lingerie, and I wish we could've had a scene with Moon wearing the lingerie, rather than getting her to take it off.

 

[TheDevian]

That's certainly one possibility. I can think of a simpler one, though; you're a terrible, sexual deviant.


I'd amend that to "Nia and Maria talking, and Sylvia overhears Maria mention Hana's heritage, then goes to talk to Hana." I think Maria and Nia talking feels more organic than Sylvia (who's despite her improvement is still pretty conceited and elitist) and Hana (who's painfully shy) striking up their own conversation.
I see the sleep-over starting because they spend so long talking that they lose track of the time, and Hana offers, because she feels comfortable around someone she now perceives as "like one of my biological parents".

Very true, I have been modeling toys for a while now and always trying to think of new ideas... lol

Nice.

Wait. Sylvia has an event where she plays with toys...??

Huh. I've either forgotten that, or missed that.

Yes, it was one of her newest slave path events.

 

[alex2011]

It could be anything. We have nothing to base any kind of theory on, all we have it pure conjecture at best, with little to no evidence to back it up.

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As for the espionage, that is usually best to leave to the fairies.

Sure, but infiltrating by being one of them is something that would take a lot of time. You have to earn their trust, work your way up, and so on. Double agents are nice, but that can take years to set up.

You would think that, but in the real world, most of the time, it's the made up stuff that takes, though I admit, that it helps to have the lie based on something that is true. "We know they did X, so obviously they had to have done Y and Z too!!!" You just need people to spread that 'news'.

Sadly, that is true about out elections, which is kind of my point, and it can be done mostly anonymously.

This is why Kali is the head wife.

Agreed, unless there is some way to detect fairies that we don't know about and they do, but again, conjecture as speculation usually is. Using the fairies for their invisibility would still get us any intelligence just lying around like documents, but what I'm getting at with the double agent infiltration idea is intelligence by word of mouth. There may be valuable intelligence we can't gain by finding documents because that intelligence is something they specifically avoided making hard copies of to avoid it being stolen. A double agent adept enough at subtly getting people to talk, or trusted enough for people not to be too wary to talk, could get that kind of intelligence. Nia would be a potential threat in both cases, but the fairies would be an excellent choice for just sneaking around and humans would be an excellent choice for double agents, as long as Nia knows the double agent isn't actually betraying the cause. She'd go ballistic for sure if she found a traitor.

The only idea I hesitate to put out there is an elven double agent since the only way that would work is by letting them get taken as a slave of the enemy. First there's the issue of them getting used and potentially killed in the process of it depending on how they are used. I absolutely wouldn't want to knowingly put someone at risk of that, especially someone I know is guaranteed to be at higher risk like an elf. When the enemy isn't using them, the elf could poke around any areas that aren't off limits to them, but this does limit the poosibility of anything helpful being found. The enemy would also be far less likely to spill anything to an elf than a human, they probably wouldn't even talk to an elf like they would a human double agent. Elves poking around, if caught, would also still seem more suspicious than humans.

You're right, it would take time, which is another issue with that approach, especially if an elf is the double agent considering they would have to split their time inside between poking around and whatever they are used for by the enemy. As for the years it could take, I'm not talking about setting up a full blown operation, just using them enough to gain some intelligence, which wouldn't take as long. You do have a point, though. It could still take too long.

You think so? Because I'd say the sheer number of people who believe that Covid is a hoax, and that vaccines contain microchips so that Bill Gates can track you (or they'll give you autism, or make you docile and easier for the government mind control satellites, or whatever other insanity is making the rounds at the moment) proves that no amount of evidence will convince some people of the truth. Some lies are believed in spite of all the evidence against them, and some truths are ignored despite a preponderance of evidence.
"A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on."

Ah yes, the tin foil hat brigade. You're right, there are some people who won't believe even the most documented truths. There are still people who believe Apollo was fake despite so much that says it wasn't, including the biggest adversary of the US at the time, who would have immediately jumped at the chance to call out the US if it actually was fake. I'm sure people like this exist in Syl'anar as well, the question is how many.

 

[TheDevian]

Agreed, unless there is some way to detect fairies that we don't know about and they do, but again, conjecture as speculation usually is. Using the fairies for their invisibility would still get us any intelligence just lying around like documents, but what I'm getting at with the double agent infiltration idea is intelligence by word of mouth. There may be valuable intelligence we can't gain by finding documents because that intelligence is something they specifically avoided making hard copies of to avoid it being stolen. A double agent adept enough at subtly getting people to talk, or trusted enough for people not to be too wary to talk, could get that kind of intelligence. Nia would be a potential threat in both cases, but the fairies would be an excellent choice for just sneaking around and humans would be an excellent choice for double agents, as long as Nia knows the double agent isn't actually betraying the cause. She'd go ballistic for sure if she found a traitor.

The only idea I hesitate to put out there is an elven double agent since the only way that would work is by letting them get taken as a slave of the enemy. First there's the issue of them getting used and potentially killed in the process of it depending on how they are used. I absolutely wouldn't want to knowingly put someone at risk of that, especially someone I know is guaranteed to be at higher risk like an elf. When the enemy isn't using them, the elf could poke around any areas that aren't off limits to them, but this does limit the poosibility of anything helpful being found. The enemy would also be far less likely to spill anything to an elf than a human, they probably wouldn't even talk to an elf like they would a human double agent. Elves poking around, if caught, would also still seem more suspicious than humans.

You're right, it would take time, which is another issue with that approach, especially if an elf is the double agent considering they would have to split their time inside between poking around and whatever they are used for by the enemy. As for the years it could take, I'm not talking about setting up a full blown operation, just using them enough to gain some intelligence, which wouldn't take as long. You do have a point, though. It could still take too long.


Ah yes, the tin foil hat brigade. You're right, there are some people who won't believe even the most documented truths. There are still people who believe Apollo was fake despite so much that says it wasn't, including the biggest adversary of the US at the time, who would have immediately jumped at the chance to call out the US if it actually was fake. I'm sure people like this exist in Syl'anar as well, the question is how many.

As far as we know, infrared (and maybe other spectrums, such as ultraviolet) can see it, and while androids and military compound cameras have those, that is not the most common thing around, and the androids would need to know to look for them... So, other than some hard to hit facilities, they would be the best bet for most situations.

Infiltration would be good, the down sides are that you need to have specific targets in mind, and plan way ahead of time. This could work for major targets, like perhaps Cornwall or the President, but it would be a lot harder for smaller targets, unless she wants to try to hire people to work at almost every pro-slavery candidate. It seems to me that it would be easier to bribe people who already work for them, though that carries its own risks. The way things are now, there are far too many potential targets.

Same with the slaves, who are being abused by them to rat them out, give them money, have Nia/Sui help their loved ones, promise to get them out once they are done, etc... If those owners are as bad as we assume they are, odds are, they have some very unhappy slaves.

Exactly, that could take years, and that time might not always be an option.

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Well, we saw a lot of them at the counter protest not long ago, and they clearly had the support of the police.

 

[RaijinStormBlessed]

It's about 99%. Only some Autumn stuff is missing and all the pin-ups, minus Lin's, Ellen's and whatever story-driven ones.
Truestory code used
Tons of money (thanks to the console commands)
Jin has been cured
Lin, Nia & Sylvia on LOVE route
Android is named "Miyu"

Just use the "changename" command in the MC's computer and change it to whatever you want and don't forget to remove all the numbers and the "_" after you download the file, only keeping "1-1-LT1.save"

Just wanted to show my appreciation for you're post. Thanks a ton.

 

[itfod]

Yes, it was one of her newest slave path events.

Ahhhh. I chose lover for both Nia and Sylvia, rather than slave. I had wondered if that would provide a difference... whelp, guess I need to replay from that point.