VN Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.18.2] [Runey]

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Without the appdata saves, you'd need to do more work for players upgrading to a new version - the in-folder saves work if you can patch or overwrite the previous install, but you'd need to teach players how to manually transfer saves, or how to clean out old files, whenever you have a new version that isn't easily patched. And even if it can be done as a simple overwrite, you'd have to make sure players copy the new version over the old one properly rather than just hitting "extract here" and creating a new folder for the new version.

The appdata saves do introduce some downsides in some circumstances, but they also lower the barrier to entry for most use cases.
 
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CroMaxx said:
What happen to the 'What If' side stories like Ashley's wedding? I cant find them anywhere. They used to be in the computer in our room.
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These will never come back. I asked and was told that they were fan requested and Runey dislikes them.
I am also loving these "Don't ask about updates" gifs and pics. Keep them up
 
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grey_shadow said:
Without the appdata saves, you'd need to do more work for players upgrading to a new version - the in-folder saves work if you can patch or overwrite the previous install, but you'd need to teach players how to manually transfer saves, or how to clean out old files, whenever you have a new version that isn't easily patched. And even if it can be done as a simple overwrite, you'd have to make sure players copy the new version over the old one properly rather than just hitting "extract here" and creating a new folder for the new version.

The appdata saves do introduce some downsides in some circumstances, but they also lower the barrier to entry for most use cases.
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Yes, they would have to be responsible people, and copy over the save folder and screenshots like a normal person does (or even an Android user). If the phone people can learn to do it, surely anyone on a PC can learn to move a file.

Besides, anyone who depends on the backup save folder, is just asking for trouble. Something happen to windows, like a crash, and they are gone. Do you have any idea, how many times I have had to reinstall windows in the last 7 years since this game started? Be smart, keep things safe, not in a system folder.

Also, system folders are for system files, not games. All game stuff should go in the games folders/drives, where they belong. Makes things a lot easier to back up and transfer.
 
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TheDevian said:
Yes, they would have to be responsible people, and copy over the save folder and screenshots like a normal person does (or even an Android user). If the phone people can learn to do it, surely anyone on a PC can learn to move a file.

Besides, anyone who depends on the backup save folder, is just asking for trouble. Something happen to windows, like a crash, and they are gone. Do you have any idea, how many times I have had to reinstall windows in the last 7 years since this game started? Be smart, keep things safe, not in a system folder.

Also, system folders are for system files, not games. All game stuff should go in the games folders/drives, where they belong. Makes things a lot easier to back up and transfer.
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In 30 years, I don't think I've had to reinstall Windows except when getting a new computer or a new version of Windows. In that time, I've had 5 versions of Windows across 6 computers. Maybe don't do things that break Windows?

If you follow Microsoft's advice on what to store where, then game saves should be stored in My Documents somewhere, with game configuration settings stored in appdata - Windows isn't designed to have separate system and data drives, nor to encapsulate all the files for a given program in one location - instead, it assumes that you'll install the game's read-only files into Program Files, and split user data between appdata and My Documents.

As for getting users to save their save files from the previous version when they delete the install to free up space, remember where they put them, and move them into the new version when they install it, sure, you can tell them to do it, but there are a lot more people who want to just "extract all here" and then play the latest version of the game than there are who want to have multiple versions of the game playable independently.
 
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grey_shadow said:
In 30 years, I don't think I've had to reinstall Windows except when getting a new computer or a new version of Windows. In that time, I've had 5 versions of Windows across 6 computers. Maybe don't do things that break Windows?

If you follow Microsoft's advice on what to store where, then game saves should be stored in My Documents somewhere, with game configuration settings stored in appdata - Windows isn't designed to have separate system and data drives, nor to encapsulate all the files for a given program in one location - instead, it assumes that you'll install the game's read-only files into Program Files, and split user data between appdata and My Documents.

As for getting users to save their save files from the previous version when they delete the install to free up space, remember where they put them, and move them into the new version when they install it, sure, you can tell them to do it, but there are a lot more people who want to just "extract all here" and then play the latest version of the game than there are who want to have multiple versions of the game playable independently.
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Depending on the version, it can just happen, there are also hardware failures, and other things that are not under anyone's control. Windows 10 is an awful piece of crap, and needs tons of third party crap just to have half the functionality of the old versions. The computer of mine that has the most problems, is the one that is closest to the base Win10 build, and gets all the updates. It has way faster hardware, and it runs way slower.

You should never clutter up a system drive with useless shit.

Don't ever use My Documents, that is the first place someone is going to look for your shit.

Those people can still save their save. It's not hard. Don't baby people, they need to learn how to use their shit, and they need to learn there are consequences for their actions. People should be able to do the bare fucking minimum of how a computer works if they want to use one. If you delete your saves, that is on you. Learning from our mistakes is how we improve as a society.

Now, can we talk about the game, before we get nuked.
 
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imcharliebrown said:
it was in beta try, it shouldn't want us much to go out
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Remember, that most of Runey's betas, are alphas to other people. In other words, they are not complete. They are still missing content from what is planned for the update. Runey does a new beta version every time he finishes a scene, so that can get tested. Just because there is a beta, doesn't mean that it's almost ready. It could be, but odds are that he is still adding things to it. Don't get worked up, until we actually know something.
 
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