Ren'Py Abandoned Heavy Five [Ch.2RS] [Nottravis]

[Akamari]

A 16 card rig? Who, why? At that point assuming extreme high end cards you may as well just batch render through a rendering farm, would probably be a lot cheaper.

Do render farms for Daz even exist? I've never heard of anyone doing that.

 

[noname777]

You really should pay attention to the circumstances. There won't be a remaster every time obviously and I thought you knew by now what happened in spring.

She was ill for 3 months, I get it. But then we had more delays. There is always "something".

No offence, but I don't understand why do you dwell on the early "estimates" so much.

It was supposed to be one chapter per month, but now we have one chapter for three months. For me, it is a huge different.
As I said before, I don't like big gaps between updates, because in such cases I forget what happened in the game.
If I good remember, I completed the first chapter in June and now I have to wait for the second and third chapter until October, when they will be available at Tier 1, after the release of Chapter 4. It is basically 4 months of waiting.

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

I rather you tell the story the way you want than get caught up in some schedule. I am becoming more and more frustrated with the fixed schedule release system. Seeing the pressure on developers removing the joy and killing the creative spark while forcing compromises in quality and story lines. Reluctant Archon was great example this month with his end of Chapter two confrontation reduced to bad guys crash party and then run away.

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Do render farms for Daz even exist? I've never heard of anyone doing that.

There are a few of them, I looked into it for my own game (as I have a potato for a laptop)

 

[Akamari]

She was ill for 3 months, I get it. But then we had more delays. There is always "something".

Can't blame Notty for wanting to make the best possible release for us, can we?

Every "delay" as you call it had a good reason behind it. A reason that was, bar one exception, always well communicated to us.

It was supposed to be one chapter per month, but now we have one chapter for three months.

That was, Notty forgive, a bit naive overestimation from a new dev. Perfectly understandable in my opinion. You don't really know how long it will take until you get to experience it.

Two months if all goes well and there isn't a reason to re-render large portions of the game.

If I good remember, I completed the first chapter in June and now I have to wait for the second and third chapter until October, when they will be available in Tier 1, after the release of Chapter 4. It is basically 4 months of waiting.

You don't have to wait. No one will think badly of you if you download the current version.

 

[PJWhoopie]

I think it is ok to be disappointed....

If you really want disappointment though, start counting down the days until the next Left For Dead, Elder Scrolls, or Fallout 5!

We'd all like a quality game "now", but, unfortunately, that is not how this system works.

On the bright side, instead of being locked out of the process like the big studios do, where there is nary a hint of what and when, we get to go along for the development journey, see what is happening with the game almost "real time", and even have some effect/input on how it develops.

There are games on this site that have thousands of backers, larger staffs, and make $60,000 or more PER MONTH and it still takes them 3/4 months to do an update.

Considering the quality of the game, attention to detail, unique subject matter, etc etc.... AND it is a one woman show that has been using practically the bare minimum equipment to even attempt making a game, I am willing to shelve some disappointment and extend a bit of grace.

Besides, if the game "developed" any faster, I might miss out on the opportunity of "virtually" meeting and hanging out with you guys...

no?

 

[TheDevian]

I honestly don't know why it's just "clicking" but it is *isn't complaining tho!*

One more render then some news.

Ah, the good old news, where they never lie to us, and are never wrong, may Thea rest in pieces.

I fear you may well be right that when Notty will have become fully proficient on most of the options her new computer will give her the urges will at least tickle her, maybe should buy some cuffs for her against that time.

It's going to be stunning, I am sure.

Wasn't too happy with that last render try so will park it for now.
Anyhoo, I'll just leave this here for now. I welcome your thoughts as always before I make up my mind.

I am sure most of us want you to take your time, and make the game you want to see, perhaps with one or two exceptions. Even if it does take until 2021 to finish, that is 1 chapter every 2-3 months, not a bad track record if you ask me, especially given your situation. I have seen semi-pro, full time teams barely manage the same. So, don't worry, do what you feel is needed, and try to relax. Patreon is not about paying for monthly content, it's about supporting you and the good work that you are doing.

If you happen to have Hexagon (They gave it away for free at some point. Maybe they still do. It should be in the DAZ store somewhere), then it's a matter of:

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Now you have a morph to hide those pesky railings.

It is still free, I managed to get it installed correctly with the last update I got for Daz, though I can't say I have ever tried it. Sounds like I might have to though...

 

[TomberryDude]

If you really want disappointment though, start counting down the days until the next Left For Dead, Elder Scrolls, or Fallout 5!

Fallout has been nothing BUT disappointments since Fallout 3. don't @ me.

 

[noname777]

Can't blame Notty for wanting to make the best possible release for us, can we?

Can't blame Gumdrop (or Greono) for wanting to make the best possible release for us, can we?

Every "delay" as you call it had a good reason behind it. A reason that was, bar one exception, always well communicated to us.

Gumdrop always has a good reason explaining his delays. He just needs to finish two missing animations or so. There are always some reasons...

That was, Notty forgive, a bit naive overestimation from a new dev. Perfectly understandable in my opinion. You don't really know how long it will take until you get to experience it.

Two months if all goes well and there isn't a reason to re-render large portions of the game.

Well, ok, but this doesn't change the fact I'm a bit disappointed.

You don't have to wait. No one will think badly of you if you download the current version.

I just wanted to be fair. I don't pay more than USD 5 for indie games. Usually it is about 1-2 USD. And I'm talking about finished game.
I would like to support Nottravis, but 10 chapters * 5 USD is too much for me. And that would be unfair to other developers.
But it seems that she needs about 12-22 months to finish this game. And to be honest, I am afraid that this is too much for me.

 

[TheDevian]

Fallout has been nothing BUT disappointments since Fallout 3. don't @ me.

Well, other than New Vegas, while it had its issues, like anything on a Bethesda engine, it's still far above anything Bethesda made themselves.

While we are off-topic anyway, for anyone who is curious, this is how it is looking now...

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So, um... Squeak?

 

[Akamari]

Fallout has been nothing BUT disappointments since Fallout 3. don't @ me.

I consider both Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 to be better than Fallout 3. NV excells in storytelling and roleplaying. F4 has the best worldbuilding. I like Fallout 3, but it doesn't really stand out in anything for me.

I basically grew up on the first two Fallout games (first RPGs for me), and have played every game (including all spin-offs) in the series since.

 

[Nottravis]

Can't blame Gumdrop (or Greono) for wanting to make the best possible release for us, can we?

Could I suggest you do me the courtesy of actually reading my post in full please before even suggesting any likeness to Gumdrop. Especially given the more than ample evidence of the improvements splattered over the last thirty pages or so.

Thank you.

 

[TomberryDude]

Well, other than New Vegas, while it had its issues, like anything on a Bethesda engine, it's still far above anything Bethesda made themselves.

While we are off-topic anyway, for anyone who is curious, this is how it is looking now...

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I consider both Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 to be better than Fallout 3. NV excells in storytelling and roleplaying. F4 has the best worldbuilding. I like Fallout 3, but it doesn't really stand out in anything for me.

I basically grew up on the first two Fallout games (first RPGs for me), and have played every game (including all spin-offs) in the series since.

NV felt like Fallout 3 to me. I only played like an hour of it admittedly but meh. Fallout 4 had mroe fun gameplay but was kind of boring otherwise.

 

[noname777]

If you really want disappointment though, start counting down the days until the next Left For Dead, Elder Scrolls, or Fallout 5!

I am not interested in these games. However, I am interested in Bloodbath Requiem. Unfortunately, there are also some delays here. To be honest, I am looking forward for a discount on Indie Gala. I assume it will be in 2020. If Heavy Five still won't be finished by then, then I will probably support Dagestan Technology instead.

 

[TheDevian]

I consider both Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 to be better than Fallout 3. NV excells in storytelling and roleplaying. F4 has the best worldbuilding. I like Fallout 3, but it doesn't really stand out in anything for me.

I basically grew up on the first two Fallout games (first RPGs for me), and have played every game (including all spin-offs) in the series since.

Bad at it was compared to 1&2, I thought 3 was better than 4, they took out too many RPG mechanics by then. The be perfectly honest, the only thing enjoyed in 4 was building things (and Curie).

NV felt like Fallout 3 to me. I only played like an hour of it admittedly but meh. Fallout 4 had mroe fun gameplay but was kind of boring otherwise.

They had a lot in common, Obsidian was forced to used Beth's broken ass engine, and they were only given 18 months to make the entire game. Luckily they had access to the story for what was going to be Fallout 3, long before Bethesda bought the rights, and used a lot of that. Unlike 3, they added back in a lot of the missing RPG mechanics, weapons, added ammo types, and they did not rape the lore. I recommend getting it on pc, get the unofficial patch from nexus, and some nice sexy body mods, and give it another go. It is easily the best one of the new generation of them.
Though I would still suggest not using the quick save and save with the console. it's just safer....

 

[TomberryDude]

Bad at it was compared to 1&2, I thought 3 was better than 4, they took out too many RPG mechanics by then. The be perfectly honest, the only thing enjoyed in 4 was building things (and Curie).

They had a lot in common, Obsidian was forced to used Beth's broken ass engine, and they were only given 18 months to make the entire game. Luckily they had access to the story for what was going to be Fallout 3, long before Bethesda bought the rights, and used a lot of that. Unlike 3, they added back in a lot of the missing RPG mechanics, weapons, added ammo types, and they did not rape the lore. I recommend getting it on pc, get the unofficial patch from nexus, and some nice sexy body mods, and give it another go. It is easily the best one of the new generation of them.
Though I would still suggest not using the quick save and save with the console. it's just safer....

To make it clear. My main problem with F3 and NV is the gameplay is clunky and slow and it makes me wanna shoot myself. I do think F3 is probably a better RPG than F4. And I wish I could stand NV because I heard it's very good.

 

[I'm Not Thea Lundgren!]

Gumdrop always has a good reason explaining his delays. He just needs to finish two missing animations or so. There are always some reasons...

The inference that Notty is anything even remotely similar to Gumdrop is frankly disrespectful

Well, ok, but this doesn't change the fact I'm a bit disappointed.

You have every right to be disappointed, as does anyone else. But please look at what is happening with this game before making your decision.

I just wanted to be fair. I don't pay more than USD 5 for indie games. Usually it is about 1-2 USD. And I'm talking about finished game.
I would like to support Nottravis, but 10 chapters * 5 USD is too much for me. And that would be unfair to other developers.
But it seems that she needs about 12-22 months to finish this game. And to be honest, I am afraid that this is too much for me.

If you want to support Notty but don't want to do it every month, might I suggest that you wait until the game is completed, then make a one-off pledge in the final months of the development? That way you get the game and give your support at the same time.

 

[noname777]

Could I suggest you do me the courtesy of actually reading my post in full please before even suggesting any likeness to Gumdrop. Especially given the more than ample evidence of the improvements splattered over the last thirty pages or so.

Thank you.

I didn't say you were doing nothing. I am just saying that everyone has a reason for their delays. Some are more... convincing, some not. In my opinion, you have overestimated your performance and/or you focus too much on the details.
However, it doesn't change the fact that these delays are occurring and are likely to occur in the future.

 

[Akamari]

Can't blame Gumdrop (or Greono) for wanting to make the best possible release for us, can we?

Gumdrop always has a good reason explaining his delays. He just needs to finish two missing animations or so. There are always some reasons...

I really don't mean to offend you, but bringing up that scammer who hasn't released an update in 1 1/2 years while happily collecting money makes me question your "reasoning" to put it mildly.

Notty is more honest, fair and caring than any other dev I've seen. (What other dev would refund three months of illness to patrons, hm?) She is the most communicative dev on the site and very transparent about the development. I don't expect you to believe me, but the evidence is all around. You just need to look at it.

I just wanted to be fair. I don't pay more than USD 5 for indie games. Usually it is about 1-2 USD. And I'm talking about finished game.
I would like to support Nottravis, but 10 chapters * 5 USD is too much for me. And that would be unfair to other developers.
But it seems that she needs about 12-22 months to finish this game. And to be honest, I am afraid that this is too much for me.

You don't need to support her monthly. That's really only for those who want to support the dev to make the best of the project and not just pay for a game.

If you want you can just support her once in a while when you get to enjoy a new chapter for example, or just wait until the game is finished and then give what you feel is a fair amount for it. It's really up to you, every little bit helps.

 

[TheDevian]

To make it clear. My main problem with F3 and NV is the gameplay is clunky and slow and it makes me wanna shoot myself. I do think F3 is probably a better RPG than F4. And I wish I could stand NV because I heard it's very good.

I can understand that, some of it really is, especially when you have to go out exoploring when you want story, frankly, some of the places are hard to get to. That said, I am sure if you are interested enough, you can find mods to fix a lot of it.

I didn't say you were doing nothing. I am just saying that everyone has a reason for their delays. Some are more... convincing, some not. In my opinion, you have overestimated your performance and/or you focus too much on the details.
However, it doesn't change the fact that these delays are occurring and are likely to occur in the future.

While that is true to some degree, it is no different than almost every other team here, especially the newer ones who are doing it in addition to their full-time jobs, and it is also true that 2-3 months is far from an unreasonable average time for an update, given the circumstances.

While you are free to support what you want, that comparison was not even close to fair, when has Gumdrop given refunds or stopped payments due to not being able to deliver as intended?

 

[Akamari]

Bad at it was compared to 1&2, I thought 3 was better than 4, they took out too many RPG mechanics by then. The be perfectly honest, the only thing enjoyed in 4 was building things (and Curie).

Yes, as an RPG F4 is somewhat inferior. Dialogue system is awful ("your thoughts?" made me prefer to venture alone) and the main story is rather poor (Far Harbor DLC has pretty good one though). But I really love exploration (almost every location is different and interesting) and the building part you mentioned. "Rebuild the wasteland" is something I always wanted to do in a Fallout game and coupled with some mods it is possible here to a decent extent. For me F4 is an ultimate open world sandbox game rather than a story-focused RPG. I spent vastly more hours in it than any other Fallout or Elder Scrolls game.