WoW this is super sad ... somehow the dev confuses patreon with kickstarter... I played the game and normaly i would love to pledge 10usd (like i normaly do when i like a game). But this here shouts so loud "GETTING CHANCELED SOON", it really makes me spend the money to some other developer instead. If its just for the feeling to help somebody out a little ... I totally get the dev wants to earn money with the hard work he did on the game. And yes i know its hard work indeed. AND he totally earned it. But thats just the wrong business modell and a totally wrong approach on things. I dont see why this game couldnt easily rocket 1k-2k from start... it reminds me so much of "Family Secret" (which did great ...). But the way the dev demands money + threatens to abandom the game ... i highly doubt we will ever see a 0.2. What a pitty ...
Ok, tons of people already said that, those renders though. How can you even... ? ....ok.
Great art.
Great art.
Nice try SilkandMilkProductions! I see this is your alt account where you defend your own decisions. Pretty sneaky, you nearly had me. Now, please, chop chop and make with the updates!
Completely agree.
What's even more ridiculous is that People are debating the "work ethic" and "morals" of a dev while downloading his pirated porn game. This is like those priests who preach against homosexuality while raping little boys.
The fact that no one appears to see the hilarious irony is mind-boggling.
I think people are intelligent enough to deduce what irony is. Whether they care or not or the fact that you pointed out is irrelevant is a different matter.
Not one person is saying that the Dev doesn't deserve support for the hard work he puts into his work. That's not in question. What the Dev is doing that I personally don't agree with is attacking his patrons for questioning him in anyway, threatening them to cancel the project that they have already invested money into and being an all around whiny bitch. The loser mentality is real with this guy. "I deserve more, so fuck everyone" As a person that thinks his renders are second to none and his story telling (though I wasn't a fan of the direction at times) was VERY well told, it's fair to give criticism to a dude that is literally imploding in anger for people daring NOT to support him.
One final thing, we've had multiple people on this thread talk about how they couldn't stand his bitching so they STOPPED supporting him. They were supporting him before, now they are not. Almost exclusively because of this attitude.
You're really trying to compare people on this thread to priests that rape children? Holy shit, I've seen some stupid stuff posted on this site in my time but never as bad as this.
As someone who used to support Silk, even at the highest tier, I stopped because of what an asshole the guy came off as. In the months that I was subscribed to his Patreon and in his Discord the only time he ever spoke to any of his supporters was when he posted a new release. He has never tried to honestly engage and connect with his fanbase and then he wants to bitch that he can't get people to support him.
He doubled his money per month since the release came out and he still bitches that it's "not enough" when he should be thanking his lucky stars that anyone is still supporting him after abandoning Primal Instinct the way he did. Now he's only working 10-12 days a month and it'll take him a good 7-8 months just to get another release out if he doesn't abandon this one. That's a dev who thinks his shit doesn't stink and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Eh, who gives a shit about how personable the Dev is. My GP is a massive cunt, but he's a superb clinician. I still go to him.
I went back to grab some examples of the inane vitriol posted in this thread, but it looks like it's been removed. I guarantee, with the grammar being used, none of those people have ever had a Patreon account.
We really have no skin in this game. Either you're supporting him or not, that's your choice. Either he's being his own worst enemy or not, that's his. What do you believe your 'criticism' will accomplish?
Analogy definition is - a comparison of two otherwise unlike things based on resemblance of a particular aspect.
I agree, it might have been a little harsh, but the comparison stands. He doesn't owe you shit, and you don't owe him anything. Then why are you getting so spun out?
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In fact, it's nothing like that.
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Hallelujah and Amen.
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Here's the reason:
Because he's trying to negotiate at a table that doesn't exist. Saying things like "I know what my talent and time are worth" are things you say to a potential employer when you're discussing salary. Patreon is not an employer, people backing him are not responsible to meet the amount he feels he's owed. There is no Producer asking him to make this game, there is no studio paying him to do so.
He acts as if this project is being demanded of him, rather than it being his own idea and he's trying to negotiate the price for him to work on it. No one asked you to make this, you don't get to set your own price.
He also failed to complete the last project he was "paid" to do and canceled it without a care toward those whose money he spent, which any employer would look at and disregard him immediately.
Except we have a billion creators that aren't massive cunts, they aren't responsible for anything near important as my health and your comparison fell flat before I replied to you. Let's put aside your assessment of grammar somehow vindicating some lack of success, let's ignore that you compared complaining on this site to "raping little boys", let's also nix your tryst with toxic behavior and accepting it as a normal way of doing things, let's just talk about what the facts.
You make a product first. If people want to buy it, they will. It doesn't matter if it's good, it just has to appeal to someone. Subverse was a trainwreck, but people found something they liked. Fair. Does this Dev do this? NO. He expects everyone to like it because he put effort into his project. Guess fucking what?! Millions of people put effort into shit. The shittiest VN's in this site have a LOT of effort put into them. Some of the most successful games have less effort than some of the most unknown games. It happens.
Stop trying to say the Dev's attitude is okay. It's not. As you said: "Either he's being his own worst enemy or not, that's his (Choice)" He is and it is.
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I don't know what's worse comparing a doctor to amateur game dev vs pirates to priests raping boys.
All we're missing is Hitler comparisons. I'd actually welcome them, somehow I feel they would make more sense
Let's get something straight. In this analogy, the comparison is between decrying something that is inherently not wrong, while doing something which is objectively considered amoral. The fact that you choose to instead focus on piracy and rape is on you, and frankly a little concerning.
Edit: There's a reason I chose this particular analogy. The analogy is just as ridiculous as, say, while on a pirating website, attacking the morality and work ethic of a dev who creates porn games. If you can't grasp that, well, that's on you.
Edit: There's a reason I chose this particular analogy. The analogy is just as ridiculous as, say, while on a pirating website, attacking the morality and work ethic of a dev who creates porn games. If you can't grasp that, well, that's on you.
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I think i'm starting to understand the core of the issue here.
It's the fact that the approach taken by the developer does not allow some people to scratch that itch of feeling like a omnibenevolent god.
-"He's just not thankful enough for my support"
They're not supporting a project, they're supporting a man, it's like when they need a plumber to fix their shitter they're rather take in an orphan from the street and raise him to become a plumber than hire a competent one. That way they can get their shitter fixed and they get thanked for it too.
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Oh it's concerning alright, but the concern is directed at the personal who thought, "I need an example of hypocrisy. I know! Child rape in the Catholic Church! Peeeeerfect!"
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No, people don't care about devs being grateful but they won't tolerate being threatened either.
Wow! You and br0nt are so full of analogies and comparisons today huh? It's cute. Sadly none of those situations really fit. No one is contracting the dev. Are you on drugs? Why make the Plumber comparison? The dev is literally a store front. Sure, this Dev's products look shinier than others, but they all get the job done, just a little differently. Not only that, but the costumer service in other stores is better too. Not only that, but the other shops also offer more deals and give them more insight on how products are made/imported. Something closer to an analogy you could use is that this dev is a store with limited costumers so they aren't making enough money to sustain themselves. They tell the current customers, we might have to close down if we don't have more customers/purchases... the difference is... there are a MILLION STORES around them. Learn to make an applicable analogy please.
I looked forward to Primal Instincts. I feel he deserved so much more support for that game. But no one has a RIGHT to be supported.
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It's not about the right to make money or not. But the dev is considering it the wrong way : if you don't want to work a lot on the project because you don't get enough support, then just work at your pace until you get more support and can work more on it. And not the opposite where you want money first to know how much you'll work on it. Otherwise you don't do this hobby. I know he wants to quit his "normal" job to work full time on these porn games but that's not the right attitude.
And don't pretend we can't talk about it because we're on a pirate site. A lot of supporters come from here. I was a supporter myself for a couple months before he abandoned Primal Instinct.
And don't pretend we can't talk about it because we're on a pirate site. A lot of supporters come from here. I was a supporter myself for a couple months before he abandoned Primal Instinct.