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How the heck is this thing on Patreon? Those tags break at least three of their rules. I smell the ban-hammer. :poop:
I recommend Subscribestar. The home for the truly degenerate Devs. ;)
 
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mrttao

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game looks good so far. but I caught some issues:

1. when you hunt ghouls it says
> you use your true form to slay three groups of gouls that were rooming around the village forest
gouls -> ghouls
rooming -> roaming

2. when getting to free roam. i hunted ghouls twice, then went to castle and opened the stats menu. this caused the following uncaught exception:
Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in script
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
    $ ui.interact()
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 100, in execute
    frame:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 106, in execute
    hbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 119, in execute
    vbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in execute
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in <module>
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
IndexError: list index out of range

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in script
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 928, in execute
    renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2245, in py_exec_bytecode
    exec(bytecode, globals, locals)
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3325, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in interact_core
    root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 436, in visit_all
    callback(self)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in <lambda>
    root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 447, in per_interact
    self.update()
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 637, in update
    self.screen.function(**self.scope)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 100, in execute
    frame:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 106, in execute
    hbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 119, in execute
    vbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in execute
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in <module>
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
  File "renpy/python.py", line 992, in __getitem__
    rv = list.__getitem__(self, index)
IndexError: list index out of range

Windows-10-10.0.19041
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Hell Keeper Demo
Thu Apr 13 12:11:58 2023
3. trying to sell ingredients to necromancer in castle gives this error
Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 47, in script
    jump alchemist_shop
ScriptError: could not find label 'alchemist_shop'.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 47, in script
    jump alchemist_shop
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 1757, in execute
    rv = renpy.game.script.lookup(target)
  File "renpy/script.py", line 918, in lookup
    raise ScriptError("could not find label '%s'." % str(original))
ScriptError: could not find label 'alchemist_shop'.

Windows-10-10.0.19041
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Hell Keeper Demo
Thu Apr 13 12:13:13 2023
 
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Inner Sin / Malice

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Inner Sin / Malice
game looks good so far. but I caught some issues:

1. when you hunt ghouls it says
> you use your true form to slay three groups of gouls that were rooming around the village forest
gouls -> ghouls
rooming -> roaming

2. when getting to free roam. i hunted ghouls twice, then went to castle and opened the stats menu. this caused the following uncaught exception:
Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in script
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
    $ ui.interact()
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 100, in execute
    frame:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 106, in execute
    hbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 119, in execute
    vbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in execute
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in <module>
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
IndexError: list index out of range

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in script
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 928, in execute
    renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2245, in py_exec_bytecode
    exec(bytecode, globals, locals)
  File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
    $ ui.interact()
  File "renpy/ui.py", line 298, in interact
    rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3325, in interact
    repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, pause=pause, pause_start=pause_start, **kwargs)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in interact_core
    root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 568, in visit_all
    d.visit_all(callback, seen)
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 436, in visit_all
    callback(self)
  File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3737, in <lambda>
    root_widget.visit_all(lambda i : i.per_interact())
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 447, in per_interact
    self.update()
  File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 637, in update
    self.screen.function(**self.scope)
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 99, in execute
    screen StatsUI:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 100, in execute
    frame:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 106, in execute
    hbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 119, in execute
    vbox:
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in execute
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
  File "game/script.rpy", line 121, in <module>
    text "%s" % (time_list[time]) size 40
  File "renpy/python.py", line 992, in __getitem__
    rv = list.__getitem__(self, index)
IndexError: list index out of range

Windows-10-10.0.19041
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Hell Keeper Demo
Thu Apr 13 12:11:58 2023
3. trying to sell ingredients to necromancer in castle gives this error
Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 47, in script
    jump alchemist_shop
ScriptError: could not find label 'alchemist_shop'.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 125, in script call
    call expression renpy.random.choice(["monsterhunt2","monsterhunt3"]) from _call_expression_2
  File "game/locations.rpy", line 47, in script
    jump alchemist_shop
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 1757, in execute
    rv = renpy.game.script.lookup(target)
  File "renpy/script.py", line 918, in lookup
    raise ScriptError("could not find label '%s'." % str(original))
ScriptError: could not find label 'alchemist_shop'.

Windows-10-10.0.19041
Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
Hell Keeper Demo
Thu Apr 13 12:13:13 2023
This should fix it.
 

hobobobb

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Probably would be better for the Dev if they just remove the "There will be cheating, but don't worry its not NTR comment". Just say "Cheating/Netori (you are the cheater, not the cuck)" or something similar, assuming those tags would be correct.

A lot of the NTR haters are really reluctant to trust Developers as they can be very deceitful (not accusing Inner Sin / Malice , just speaking in general terms).
Way too many Devs have their own ideas of "It's not NTR because"... justification.

This is why I advocate for being transparent;

If a LI or Future LI has any contact with another male's dick in the game (depicted, rendered, discussed, or implied) let the players know ahead of time (preferably under a spoiler tag, with the first released). If a developer does that, then any choices to play are firmly on them.

Inversely, NOT being transparent and sticking to an "it's not NTR because I (the Dev) don't think it's NTR" (and don't want that tag, because it will drive away a large portion of the potential player base) is about as intelligent as banging your head against a wall until you conclude that 1 + 1 = Duh.

Why can I say this is true? Because we all use OUR own opinions, NOT a Dev's when we decide what content qualifies as /whatever tag/. <-- This fact (combined with a lack of transparency) is literally responsible for pretty much all 'Anti NTR' comments, with the exception being Trolling.

That being said, as a non-native English speaker, I can sympathize with the Dev here. I strongly suspect they are trying to assure players that the game will not have NTR in it, but have used language that makes some people suspicious.

I suggest that my fellow NTR haters put away the pitchforks, un-summon the shitstorm, and hold off on the t-shirt campaign until Inner Sin / Malice

Sorry for rambling, I am likely drunk again, but this veno is too good.

Best of luck with the game Dev.
 

mrttao

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Let the retarded NTR arguing begin! Once again, this time it's even unnecessary, but these whiners are always on alert and ready to shit in the comments: "OH, THE DEV SAYS THERE WON'T BE ANY NTR BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT AND HOPE THERE WON'T BE ANY NTR, OR IT WILL BE AVOIDEBLE". :WeSmart:

Let everyone speak for themselves - i'm not a fan of ntr, but i'm ok with cheating tag. And who are you to assume otherwise? And since cheating stands for MC cheating on others and you dislike it, it's only your problem.
He was making a correct generalization about what the vast majority of people think. And using poor english to do so (many people here are not native english speakers. this requires some patience and understanding).

You are trying to twist it into "100% of people think X" and then pat yourself on the back for being an exception thus "disproving" the 100% claim.
But he never said 100%

Yea. from the people who hate netorare, some of them are ok with "technically not netorare"
but most aren't.

And it isn't whining to not share your fetish. Or to not want to be mislead.
 
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mrttao

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Inner Sin / Malice your user profile is set to private, which means it cannot be viewed.
As a game dev, I would suggest letting people see the profile
This should fix it.
I have been trying to download this since you posted it. so far it failed to download 8 times already.
Error 50x - Server error
A server side error has occured, this is likely to be temporary. Please try again later.
can you put it on some file sharing site instead?
===
how many corruption potions do we need to feed the prisoner before we can finally do anything with her?
the dialog said to feed her 1 potion then have a session.
But I fed her 3 and it still won't let me do anything with her.
is this a bug?

also. sleep is broken, you just can never sleep.
 
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Inner Sin / Malice

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Inner Sin / Malice your user profile is set to private, which means it cannot be viewed.
As a game dev, I would suggest letting people see the profile

I have been trying to download this since you posted it. so far it failed to download 8 times already.

can you put it on some file sharing site instead?
===
how many corruption potions do we need to feed the prisoner before we can finally do anything with her?
the dialog said to feed her 1 potion then have a session.
But I fed her 3 and it still won't let me do anything with her.
is this a bug?

also. sleep is broken, you just can never sleep.
 

mrttao

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thank you. This does fix the resource sale crash and the stats page crash.

bugs:
1. it is still impossible to sleep. being unable to sleep I am unable to restore my energy. which makes it impossible to break the prisoner.

2. when I try to break the prisoner it says she is "not corrupted enough". instead of "you do not have enough energy"
either the message is bugged and is displaying the wrong message.
or I am missing both... but... I fed her at least 8 potions already. so I am leaning towards the lack of energy being the cause and the error message being wrong.

3. see attachment
edit: since attachments server is temporarily broken. I will describe it.
when you hunt down orc party there is a blank screen and an error that says
> Image '93' not found.
 
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An_Able

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I find it funny in future tags it says cheating(not NTR) like they are different, yes I know technically they are different but the thing people dislike about NTR still happens in cheating making them pretty much the same thing in the end. If you dislike ntr you aren't going to like cheating either so I hope it is avoidable
I personally find it funny how you admit they are different but then proceed to argue that they're not. Also, is it such a leap in logic that people like to do things they don't like being done to them? RIP all the guys who like giving anal, I guess.
 
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mrttao

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I personally find it funny how you admit they are different but then proceed to argue that they're not. Also, is it such a leap in logic that people like to do things they don't like being done to them? RIP all the guys who like giving anal, I guess.
Option 1: you have never came across the concept of

before in your entire life

Option 2: you are trying to kink shame vanilla fans for not being into your fetish of "technically not NTR according to the letter of the definition"

so which is it?
 
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Option 1: you have never came across the concept of

before in your entire life

Option 2: you are trying to kink shame vanilla fans for not being into your fetish of "technically not NTR according to the letter of the definition"

so which is it?
I genuinely don't understand what a legal technicality has to do with what I commented on (nor had I come across the concept before), but since I don't think it's kink shaming to say that doing something and having it done to you is different, I guess it's probably option 1 and I'm just too dumb to understand why.
 

holaje12

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He was making a correct generalization about what the vast majority of people think. And using poor english to do so (many people here are not native english speakers. this requires some patience and understanding).
You are trying to twist it into "100% of people think X" and then pat yourself on the back for being an exception thus "disproving" the 100% claim.
But he never said 100%
Yea. from the people who hate netorare, some of them are ok with "technically not netorare"
but most aren't.
And it isn't whining to not share your fetish. Or to not want to be mislead.
I think his english was so bad that you didnt understand anything he said. So let me explain it to you. This is what he said:
I find it funny in future tags it says cheating(not NTR) like they are different, yes I know technically they are different but the thing people dislike about NTR still happens in cheating making them pretty much the same thing in the end. If you dislike ntr you aren't going to like cheating either so I hope it is avoidable
He is saying ntr is the same as cheating ( which is just MC cheating on their LI or some LI cheating on others with MC). This is already wrong and doesn't make sense. But then he says people who dont like ntr will not like cheating/netori, which is stupid, most people who dont like ntr are ok with that or dont care.

He is not talking about "technically not ntr" scenes like flashbacks of LI fucking others, or the usual "not in a relationship" crap.
He is talking about netori or cheating as if it those things could be considered "technically not ntr", which is retarded.
 

mrttao

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I genuinely don't understand what a legal technicality has to do with what I commented on (nor had I come across the concept before), but since I don't think it's kink shaming to say that doing something and having it done to you is different, I guess it's probably option 1 and I'm just too dumb to understand why.
Legal technicality has to do with
you admit they are different but then proceed to argue that they're not
he does not "admit they are different", he recognizes that from a "legal technicality" perspective they are considered different.
(the tagging rules that f95 society set)
but to him they are the same thing.

I personally agree with you that they are different.
but it is entirely valid to view them as the same. One held by many people.
People have different fetishes, desires, and triggers.
F95 mods are not the official arbitrators of weeabo borrowed words worldwide
F95 linguistic definitions do not dictate what people's actual fetishes are.

Also... I think he was referring to the various cases of "technically not NTR when your waifu has sex with other men because X" which are a pendemic in the industry.
Rather than referring to netori/bull MC (which I only now realized is what you meant with the anal thing)

This really bears clarification.
Inner Sin / Malice can you please clarify what you meant by non NTR cheating?
are you referring to MC being a bull and stealing a married woman?
are you referring to MC's waifu having sex with other men but it not being technically NTR due to some reason?

edit: I just noticed that dev clarified already and I had missed that post.
Hey Y'all! I want to thank you guys for the awesome feedback! I understand the game has some nasty bugs and they are being fixed, it's my first time doing this and I'm not that good with coding, so I ask a little bit of patience. The bugfix is attached here.
I see some people are concerned about the cheating, rest assured, you're the one doing it and the girls are the ones cheating on their partners.
For those who don't like the demonic appearence during the sex scenes, a option to transform in the human form will be added later on.
Thank you for clarifying this.
 
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mrttao

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But then he says people who dont like ntr will not like cheating/netori,
cheating tag CAN mean netori. but it can also mean other things. it is a very vague tag.
I have seen it applied to games where NPC A cheated on NPC B and neither is ever involved with the MC in any way.
He is not talking about "technically not ntr" scenes like flashbacks of LI fucking others, or the usual "not in a relationship" crap.
He is talking about netori or cheating as if it those things could be considered "technically not ntr", which is retarded.
How do you know this is what he is talking about? have you asked him?

DragonkingKyo when you were talking about cheating. were you talking about netori, or were you talking about "technically not NTR because it was a flashback from before you were with her" and the like?
 

Inner Sin / Malice

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thank you. This does fix the resource sale crash and the stats page crash.

bugs:
1. it is still impossible to sleep. being unable to sleep I am unable to restore my energy. which makes it impossible to break the prisoner.

2. when I try to break the prisoner it says she is "not corrupted enough". instead of "you do not have enough energy"
either the message is bugged and is displaying the wrong message.
or I am missing both... but... I fed her at least 8 potions already. so I am leaning towards the lack of energy being the cause and the error message being wrong.

3. see attachment
edit: since attachments server is temporarily broken. I will describe it.
when you hunt down orc party there is a blank screen and an error that says
> Image '93' not found.
Try a new save please, I assume that in your current save, the time is Bedtime, that would be the cause of error. With the bugfix, the max the time will go is Night Time so it won't bug. The "not corrupted enought" error is probably caused by not having enough energy, which can be fixed if the first issue is fixed.
I will add a placeholder for that image.
 
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Legal technicality has to do with

he does not "admit they are different", he recognizes that from a "legal technicality" perspective they are considered different.
(the tagging rules that f95 society set)
but to him they are the same thing.

I personally agree with you that they are different.
but it is entirely valid to view them as the same. One held by many people.
People have different fetishes, desires, and triggers.
F95 mods are not the official arbitrators of weeabo borrowed words worldwide
F95 linguistic definitions do not dictate what people's actual fetishes are.

Also... I think he was referring to the various cases of "technically not NTR when your waifu has sex with other men because X" which are a pendemic in the industry.
Rather than referring to netori/bull MC (which I only now realized is what you meant with the anal thing)

This really bears clarification.
Inner Sin / Malice can you please clarify what you meant by non NTR cheating?
are you referring to MC being a bull and stealing a married woman?
are you referring to MC's waifu having sex with other men but it not being technically NTR due to some reason?
The MC will steal married women. Princesses, Queens and so on. Therefore, the women are cheating on their partners with the MC.
 

mrttao

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The MC will steal married women. Princesses, Queens and so on. Therefore, the women are cheating on their partners with the MC.
thank you for clarifying
Try a new save please, I assume that in your current save, the time is Bedtime, that would be the cause of error. With the bugfix, the max the time will go is Night Time so it won't bug. The "not corrupted enought" error is probably caused by not having enough energy, which can be fixed if the first issue is fixed.
I will add a placeholder for that image.
thank you. restarting a new save fixed this issue.
 
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An_Able

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Legal technicality has to do with

he does not "admit they are different", he recognizes that from a "legal technicality" perspective they are considered different.
(the tagging rules that f95 society set)
but to him they are the same thing.

I personally agree with you that they are different.
but it is entirely valid to view them as the same. One held by many people.
People have different fetishes, desires, and triggers.
F95 mods are not the official arbitrators of weeabo borrowed words worldwide
F95 linguistic definitions do not dictate what people's actual fetishes are.

Also... I think he was referring to the various cases of "technically not NTR when your waifu has sex with other men because X" which are a pendemic in the industry.
Rather than referring to netori/bull MC (which I only now realized is what you meant with the anal thing)

This really bears clarification.
Inner Sin / Malice can you please clarify what you meant by non NTR cheating?
are you referring to MC being a bull and stealing a married woman?
are you referring to MC's waifu having sex with other men but it not being technically NTR due to some reason?
I suppose it could be a misunderstanding on my part, since I always assumed the "Cheating" tag referred to the MC cheating on or with other people, but the definition does say "A significant other having sex with someone other than their partner." which isn't the same. I always saw the "Cheating" and "Netorare" tags as the two perspectives you're given when cheating is involved, but I guess the "Cheating" tag could apply even if you're cheated on.

Though that brings up the possibility of being cheated on and somehow not feeling humiliated or jealous, since that's what the "Netorare" tag is about.

I'll stop talking about this, I realize I'm just adding to the problem and derailing the thread.
 
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