Others Hentai High School+ [v1.10.6] [HHS+]

[meh65]

Not everyone is stuck at home so that they can patch a highschool open world porn game. Some of us are getting yelled at by customers who don't understand what masks are or have to work from home (and I can imagine you don't want to work on said game while working from home, or else you could copy/paste the wrong thing to your work meetings...)

Or you know doing a tech job which entails working from home...
Either way the majority of people have had a lot more free time as of late.

Also the game is notoriously slow to update, its been what 8+ years with very little change. Pretty sure this game started BEFORE breeding season. Breeding season literally jumpstarted the entire underground western porn game industry. So yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Been a long fucking time.

 

[xanon515x]

You would think with the virus we would finally get the next big release of this game. Though I suppose I can understand, fitting in 1000 more yaoi events is probably quite time consuming.

Would be fantastic if they were actually doing this, but almost 100% of it is Bara instead of traps so meh...

 

[meh65]

Would be fantastic if they were actually doing this, but almost 100% of it is Bara instead of traps so meh...

Thats the joke, the game is stuffed with adult yaoi, they took out all fetishes except for vanilla hetero and vanilla homo

 

[Shilo]

Thats the joke, the game is stuffed with adult yaoi, they took out all fetishes except for vanilla hetero and vanilla homo

In other words: you are just salty about the removal of loli and shota from the official release. If you want that stuff go find a mod or add it yourself. Because that's actually the only fetish content that has been removed from the game. Everything else is still there or never existed in the first place.

That screenshot about the fetish selection in the first post here is misleading because it also shows fetish categories for stuff that was never present in the game. I just added some more fetishes to that selection in case mods want to make use of them. But when I changed the code to allow mods to add their own fetishes to that list, I removed all the obsolete entries that were not used in any official content and not likely to ever be.

 

[meh65]

In other words: you are just salty about the removal of loli and shota from the official release. If you want that stuff go find a mod or add it yourself. Because that's actually the only fetish content that has been removed from the game. Everything else is still there or never existed in the first place.

That screenshot about the fetish selection in the first post here is misleading because it also shows fetish categories for stuff that was never present in the game. I just added some more fetishes to that selection in case mods want to make use of them. But when I changed the code to allow mods to add their own fetishes to that list, I removed all the obsolete entries that were not used in any official content and not likely to ever be.

You are half right.
Like you said the fetish selection had stuff on it that was never in the game.
THAT is the real reason I am "salty".

Also you say it was just shota and loli, but I remember there being SOME bestiality, after the purge however, it seemed reduced. My point is:
You teased people with this big ass checklist of fetishes that people can filter (keyword being FILTER as in choice) depending on what kind of content they wanted. The SCOPE/range of options was the interesting hook for me. Scat? No thanks. Necrophilia? Hmmm, not big on it, but wait.... we can be a killer? Might be cool to do that kind of playthrough. I don't remember them all, there were a lot though. I recall rape content was pretty toned down too. You can downplay it, but the game that had literally a checklist of fetishes pretty much just ended up being a very vanilla experience with some mild mind control (aka soft rape), and what one futa and one trap? If the game still does have bestiality im sure its 1-5 images max. I remember looking at the pics folder for 1.9.5 a year ago or so most folders had 20-30 year old looking male and females in missionary either banging the same or opposite sex. Sorry that's hyperbole there was plenty of standing and doggystyle, maybe even the rare cowgirl, my bad.


"Wow, this game has loli/shota, AND bestiality? Wow they want to add all this other fucked up shit too? The monotonous gameplay seems almost worth it now."

Teasing all this taboo shit, only to go hyper vanilla. Its why the game fell into obscurity if you ask me. Its like planetside 2; nothing else like it out there, but its such a sad sight seeing how wasted its potential became.

Side note: About the whole "just find a mod thing". I was actually helping make a "uncencor" mod for HHS. The dev I was working with straight up dropped it because he was tired of how the modding/creation tool worked.
It seems like the modding tool was too complex for laymen, while being too cumbersome for people who know what they are doing.
I was able to mod a few scenes myself, but the guy I was working with was right, its just cumbersome and not worth it, especially for anything halfway inventive. Just seems so hyper niche why bother. Like figuring out how to host a custom space station 13 server...though that example doesn't hold up since its hit mainstream thanks to certain youtube people.

Honestly though it does suck that the dev I was working with dropped interest, considering he was one of the literal 3 or 4 people that could actually mod HHS. He almost got a whole new feature into the game before leaving too.
One that actually gave lockpicking more worth. The mod would essentially create a new selectable location at the residential screens where you could [lock pick random house] you do the mini game, succeed? Maybe steal some cash and leave, OR RNG scene based on corruption and other factors, ranging from basic family living, to NTR housewives, to incest orgies, you know to support the voyeur fetish crowd? OR maybe do it at night? Boom, sleep rape gameplay. Adding in that one thing opens the doors (intended) to explore multiple new types of scenes that fit different fetishes. So maybe make that a thing, IDK. Seems fairly easy enough since it only took him a few days of me simply describing it and giving the stats it should affect.

Lastly
I would tell you to rename the game to "Hentai University" or something given the type of H content HHS has but someone clearly saw HHS and said "I can do that, and faster too" so they made this:
https://f95zone.to/threads/hentai-university-v9-5-noodlejacuzzi.37312/
*can we just appreciate how the version number is literally one number off too? Shit made me giggle*

I mean LOL look at the second sample pic, ITS PRACTICALLY THE SAME GAME! At least they gave it the more fitting name since the H in that game being full of adults makes sense given its university instead of highschool. Calling HHS, HMHS (Hentai movie highschool) would be more appropriate, cause you know, the people who play teens in movies are in their 20s sometimes 30s.
I just like things that make sense ok?
Imagine you own a pizza joint with a big ass menu, you got veggie lovers, meat lovers, bbq sauce pizza, buffalo, even pineapple (ew amiright?). If someone were to order from your big pizza menu, say the veggie lovers? And I order the pineapple. Then that guy over there orders the meat lovers. Except, when they bring out our orders we are all given cheese pizzas. Except the guy who ordered meat lovers...your pizza parlor definitely has that.
Its not about one fetish in particular, its about teasing that your game would have all these different fetishes and we could pick and choose, only for there to be no choice at all...except people who love meat.

 

[Shilo]

You are half right.
Like you said the fetish selection had stuff on it that was never in the game.
THAT is the real reason I am "salty".

That's just a matter of miscommunication then, though I can see how it may have raised wrong expectations. We never claimed "This is a list of stuff that is currently in the game". It was more along the lines of "This is a community project. I don't know what stuff other people will want to add to the game, so I'll just add common fetishes I can think of to the list, so people can tag their content accordingly, since they can't expand the list themselves".

To be fair, we had no say in the opening post here on F95. I never would have taken a screenshot of that fetish list and put that as "genre" of the game, let alone advertise it with that. The tag list of this thread is actually a more accurate representation of its genres.

 

[a1fox3]

That's just a matter of miscommunication then, though I can see how it may have raised wrong expectations. We never claimed "This is a list of stuff that is currently in the game". It was more along the lines of "This is a community project. I don't know what stuff other people will want to add to the game, so I'll just add common fetishes I can think of to the list, so people can tag their content accordingly, since they can't expand the list themselves".

To be fair, we had no say in the opening post here on F95. I never would have taken a screenshot of that fetish list and put that as "genre" of the game, let alone advertise it with that. The tag list of this thread is actually a more accurate representation of its genres.

Explain that to a mod and they can remove that pic.

 

[Regardie]

meh65, I'm not going to quote your big post but I wanted to draw your attention. There are really only a handful of people that work on the game and it is just a hentai art viewer, with some corruption gameplay. Shilo has been at work on the engine for a long time and has some good ideas and Spinner seems to be the go to for moving the game experience forward, with his Get physical and event cleanup work. I have been waiting for over a year for the revamped 1.9.6 to at least enter beta test with a host of new features to make it easier to mod and add event chains.

There are limitations in the paperdoll system that won't be easily worked around until a new doll system is created but new special characters and mechanics can be rolled into the game like the whole Lexville mod.

Some of your complaints about the fetish list without pracital events attached comes down to source material. Except for the Loli / Shota stuff which will never be canon and will need to be modded into the game, someone needs to search and find hentai images that match the fetish, then tag them correctly for the game engine before they can be used. It is time consuming to gather the content you want to use even before trying to figure out how to get it into the game.

I am holding back from any work until the new version comes out as it will involve learning a bunch of new things.

 

[Shilo]

meh65, I'm not going to quote your big post but I wanted to draw your attention. There are really only a handful of people that work on the game and it is just a hentai art viewer, with some corruption gameplay. Shilo has been at work on the engine for a long time and has some good ideas and Spinner seems to be the go to for moving the game experience forward, with his Get physical and event cleanup work. I have been waiting for over a year for the revamped 1.9.6 to at least enter beta test with a host of new features to make it easier to mod and add event chains.

While there have been some API changes and better documentation of individual operation's quirks in the new version, the full-fledged mod framework will probably not be in the very next version, since the next one is meant to be a very stable release, and changing the whole filesystem API of the game for the modding framework is bound to destabilize things a bit at first. I plan to release it in the version after that, which hopefully can be released soon after that. I'll try to keep the development scope smaller for future upgrades, so it doesn't take another eternity.

The upcoming release will be very much about gameplay and balancing. Up until now, the game did not really do a good job of being a proper management game. Many things were rather intransparent to the player, and different lewd events had different thresholds and stat requirements for triggering. Spinner and dasBrain are in the process of streamlining this. The economy (what means the player has to obtain money and what things will cost) has also been balanced more, as far as I am aware. The new UI notification system helps the player to better understand the consequences of his actions. And of course there are plenty of bugfixes. And the occasional new event or additional work on existing quest lines, chipped in by other contributors.

There are limitations in the paperdoll system that won't be easily worked around until a new doll system is created but new special characters and mechanics can be rolled into the game like the whole Lexville mod.

The full-fledged revamp of the paperdoll system (with animations and stuff) will probably not come in the foreseeable future due to its complexity. But the plan is to have minor revamps every now and then, for example being able to specify and assign images to an arbitrary number of layers, rather than being limited to the current head/breast/penis/testicles/body layers.

I've also seen modders doing pretty impressive things with the given tools, which I never even considered when I wrote them. Seeing such creativity is exhilarating.

 

[Shilo]

Explain that to a mod and they can remove that pic.

I was also considering to request ownership of the opening post here. But I am not sure if that would require me to also upload the game to other mirrors when I release a new version or if that could still be left to other uploaders. The official release of the game is always on MEGA, and I don't really want to bother with other hosters. So perhaps it's better left in the hand of someone else?

 

[Alcahest]

I was also considering to request ownership of the opening post here. But I am not sure if that would require me to also upload the game to other mirrors when I release a new version or if that could still be left to other uploaders. The official release of the game is always on MEGA, and I don't really want to bother with other hosters. So perhaps it's better left in the hand of someone else?

No, you're not required to do anything at all for being the owner of the thread. If you want to be able to update pics or whatever to accurately represent the current state of the game, you can do that if you so choose. If you want to have the thread updated with the latest release all you need to do is report the OP with a link to the new release. But it's up to you. You don't have to.

 

[Nonya Bizz]

So to sidetrack from all of the development questions and such, here's an odd question relating to fetishes: depending on what fetishes you start off with you can get some starting items, and during the chem lab you can craft even more, which begs my question: does lactation even do anything in the game? I haven't really dived into it, but I don't think the paperdolls are set up with lactation graphics of like darkened nipple areas indicating leaking, nor do most scenes involved breasts. If you went around for like 2 months and did mad science with only the lactation drug in the city, would anything change or would you see new scenes?

 

[Shilo]

So to sidetrack from all of the development questions and such, here's an odd question relating to fetishes: depending on what fetishes you start off with you can get some starting items, and during the chem lab you can craft even more, which begs my question: does lactation even do anything in the game? I haven't really dived into it, but I don't think the paperdolls are set up with lactation graphics of like darkened nipple areas indicating leaking, nor do most scenes involved breasts. If you went around for like 2 months and did mad science with only the lactation drug in the city, would anything change or would you see new scenes?

Some work has been done about lactation in the upcoming release. Lactation is now supported by paperdolls and there have been some adjustments to lactation drugs. Not sure if there are any effects on gameplay yet, though.

 

[meh65]

meh65, I'm not going to quote your big post but I wanted to draw your attention. There are really only a handful of people that work on the game and it is just a hentai art viewer, with some corruption gameplay. Shilo has been at work on the engine for a long time and has some good ideas and Spinner seems to be the go to for moving the game experience forward, with his Get physical and event cleanup work. I have been waiting for over a year for the revamped 1.9.6 to at least enter beta test with a host of new features to make it easier to mod and add event chains.

There are limitations in the paperdoll system that won't be easily worked around until a new doll system is created but new special characters and mechanics can be rolled into the game like the whole Lexville mod.

Some of your complaints about the fetish list without pracital events attached comes down to source material. Except for the Loli / Shota stuff which will never be canon and will need to be modded into the game, someone needs to search and find hentai images that match the fetish, then tag them correctly for the game engine before they can be used. It is time consuming to gather the content you want to use even before trying to figure out how to get it into the game.

I am holding back from any work until the new version comes out as it will involve learning a bunch of new things.

You do realize the game started out with loli/shota right? It was purged I assume for legal reasons. But it DID have it. There was even a whole questline involving teacher x shota. Sooooooo, never say never amiright? Also, its not about the loli/shota exclusively. Like I said the bestiality and everything besides vanilla was toned down/ignored after the purge. That was my argument. Not to mention my joke about how much more gay the game became...literally gay, just tons of adult male yaoi and more yuri as well. My personal feeling being if you want to make something THAT vanilla just use real porn at that point.

Also, not to shit on the game devs. However I think everyone on this website understands the reality of the western H game industry, its an underground industry that is done out of pure passion for the most part. However HHS is literally one of if not the oldest game on this website that is still being developed. The only thing that would beat it would be breeding season to my knowledge and that died years ago. So, sorry if I don't agree with the "time" sentiment. Also yes, you are right, it takes time and such to search those images and implement events for them. As someone who has literally done this; the church mod on the HHS website was done by me and modder. I feel like I can say...its not that hard (for those who understand VEE). Guy I was working with was mainly doing loli/shota but he was cool enough to go along with the "uncensored" and general expansion of the game (i.e hospital/church/police) by giving new events of all kinds. The one posted on the official forum was about 60-70% of what we made. The rest was extreme content. That simple church expansion + the extreme stuff only took maybe 1-2 months between two of us passively. Ide say maybe 3-4 actual sessions occurred, granted he was quite adept at VEE so that helped, regardless it did not take much time at all. Wish we could have done more, sadly the guy who knew VEE was honestly just tired of it as well as personal stuff and even when he came back a year later he was like, nah im good.
C'est la vie.

I legitimately hope that 1.9.6 is more streamlined to allow more user input/modding from casuals since like you said its basically a hentai viewer, we will see.

 

[meh65]

That's just a matter of miscommunication then, though I can see how it may have raised wrong expectations. We never claimed "This is a list of stuff that is currently in the game". It was more along the lines of "This is a community project. I don't know what stuff other people will want to add to the game, so I'll just add common fetishes I can think of to the list, so people can tag their content accordingly, since they can't expand the list themselves".

To be fair, we had no say in the opening post here on F95. I never would have taken a screenshot of that fetish list and put that as "genre" of the game, let alone advertise it with that. The tag list of this thread is actually a more accurate representation of its genres.

I am referring to the large checklist that the game (has?) had? Not the F95 fetish list. Also the game started out with extreme content so to say now that it was only a reference for modders is just...well wrong. Loli and shota checkboxes were used in early versions of the base game. Bestiality was more of a thing too. You HAD to use those checkboxes to see/not see those genres of extreme content in the base game. Now its "just for modders"? While that is fair to say now, because its true thats what it is NOW. Why I was complaining and disappointed with the game is because I remember when it WASN'T just a reference for modders, it was to toggle content that was more extreme. With a bunch of other options there to let you know "this is coming too". Or at least it screamed it at the time.

You can say "this is a checklist to filter modded content" now. I agree 100% this is the intention of the checkbox system, now.
I was simply explaining that was most certainly not the case years ago when the game wasn't afraid to add the checkbox content itself not being "just for modders".

But hey, if you guys somehow streamline event creation into a fast/easy process. I will happily image hunt and create events for the game myself. If someone as lay as me can create events easily with this new rumored rework then I am sure others will as well. It really is a one of a kind game. Its simple yet enthralling. I despise text games (CoC, TiTS) I would rather read a book or play an RPGM game. HHS has that management aspect as well as the potential to tell super unique and creative events since the possibility is only limited to the type of hentai you can find. The only thing holding it back is un-intuitive creation tools. It isn't too difficult, but it does feel time consuming and obtuse. A "lite" or simple event creator would be great.

A simple GUI where you drag/drop an image add text then give some of the most common factors as drop down options (i.e corruption/perversion/penis and boob size). As well as something like this:

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Link at the top opens a formatting cheat sheet similar to what you see even on this forum or reddit. A simple variable library to help you customize it as deeply as you want.

Not to replace VEE but as an alternative. Options.

 

[Shilo]

If someone as lay as me can create events easily with this new rumored rework then I am sure others will as well.

The modding framework will have pretty much no effect on the event creation aspect, though. Not sure where you got that rumor. It is supposed to make it easier for players to use the mods created by others, and to let modders replace content from other mods or the base game without permanently overwriting it, so the players could decide to remove a mod again if they discover incompatibilities.

Events created via the VEE can be as simple or complex as you want. I don't think there is any need for an alternate "wizard" to create the most simple of events, since that simplicity ultimately depends very much on what you want to go for in a particular scenario (i.e. what the trigger conditions should be).

Furthermore, the engine tries to further and further distance itself from hardcoding things, exposing more and more via XML configurations and leaving it up to the developers of the scenario. There are very few stats that are actually required by the engine to be present at this point - I think Arousal is one of the last ones. Adding a different wizard that generates a skeleton for an event would be a step away from that and introduce another hardcoded opinionated component.

For the Smallville scenario, more and more common parts are pushed into reusable Function Library events, so the creation of new simple events is easier and uses more unified thresholds:

• There is a Function Library event that gets passed a certain bit flag (telling it how lewd the event is, how many people need to pass the criteria and which type of people) and a list of NPCs and it will filter according to that criteria and also tell you if all conditions are fulfilled.
• Another Function Library event can be used to set up the common placeholders that are replaced in event text with the names of the persons participating in that event.
• Another Function Library event is used to set the results of a sexual action on the participating characters, so all stat changes are also handled in a uniform manner. And yet another event does the same for people who observed the action.

Sure, finding and understanding when and how to use those events is still a learning curve. But once you have done the footwork, you have a reusable template that you can just copy-paste for events with the similar requirements.

Meanwhile, the VEE got more and more little quality-of-life improvements over the years and is still far from done. The platform is still evolving and there are still plenty of breaking changes being made every now and then. The Smallville scenario is still very much a guinea pig for us to figure out what we actually want out of the engine, so that future scenarios may be based on a more stable API from the start. Once things have settled down enough, we can actually start looking into introducing more time-saving components. But until then, I prefer to give people more creative freedom to see what they actually come up with.

 

[Mini]

Is it true the current devs removed content from the game when they got their hand on the code ? If yes, why ?

 

[Shilo]

Is it true the current devs removed content from the game when they got their hand on the code ? If yes, why ?

It was not "as soon as we got our hands on the code". It's just that at some point in time the world in general became more critical about the depiction of underage characters in sexual contexts. And so it was decided among the people contributing to the game at that time to remove the stuff that was getting outlawed in more and more countries. We wanted to avoid any potential trouble for people working on the game as well as those playing the game. The forum where the game is being developed also introduced a ban on loli and shota content in the stuff that is being developed there, to appease the hosting company.

So yeah, you can hardly blame people for not wanting to put their necks on the line just so that other people can keep having their fetishes in the game. We don't judge anyone for their urges and they are free to create loli/shota mods and provide them on their own, but they will not be tolerated as part of the official release or in the official forum for the reasons stated above.


Other than that, a few events and corresponding images had been removed or completely reworked over time. In some cases the reason was that they were contributed as unfinished or broken stubs and left abandoned by the original author for several years and the quality was so low that nobody on the dev team wanted to invest the effort to improve on them. In other cases the character associated with those events had undergone major changes in their background story and quest lines and the old content no longer fit into the story. That's just part of the creative process.

 

[Mini]

Thank you for your answer. Now I have an other question regarding content (events mainly) are you devs going to put more content in ? Or is your work on the engine made to have a more community-based content creation (through mods) ? The latter is kinda how I understood things lately.

 

[Shilo]

Thank you for your answer. Now I have an other question regarding content (events mainly) are you devs going to put more content in ? Or is your work on the engine made to have a more community-based content creation (through mods) ? The latter is kinda how I understood things lately.

It's a bit of a mix.

• Personally, I have been working solely on the engine-side of things for years now. My focus is on providing the tools for the other content creators and it will stay like this for the foreseeable future.
• Spinner has been doing work on all the non-engine stuff in the base game. The latter has mostly been about balancing and providing a common ground for other things to build upon. Paperdolls, balancing event stat requirements, reducing image file sizes, optimizing event performance, modernizing existing events and fixing bugs reported by players in the last release. Occasionally he has been throwing in some new stuff, but it's more about general things like PTA, town council, smartphone, etc. and not so much about entirely new erotic events.
• DasBrain has been doing pretty much the same as Spinner.

Since we three are by far the most active contributors to the project, the overall current focus is indeed more on improving existing content instead of adding more new things.
However, Spinner and DasBrain had explicitly decided to make this upcoming release about bugfixing and providing a stable base. Many of the game's events and mechanics had been added over the course of several years by several different authors without any common guidelines. Whipping them into shape now is just a result of that technical debt that we now have to correct once. After that we will hopefully be able to slowly add more official content again. But for now, we are indeed counting on the community to bridge that content gap.

That being said, there also other contributors besides the three of us. They just do so much less frequently than we do the other changes.

• Malorn is our most helpful contributor when it comes to adding new event content.
• Aesaris was another frequent event contributor in the past.

However, Aesaris is only into yaoi stuff, which is what he contributes most of the time. That is also the reason why people sometimes complain that the game was all about gay stuff now - if that is the focus of one of the two official contributors, it's bound to have a larger share of the overall new stuff.

Sometimes we also add new stuff from the community to the official release, but I haven't looked into that for a while, since our focus is currently elsewhere. I haven't even looked at Lexville yet, although many consider it to be one of the best mods for the game. Since I don't even know what's in the base game anymore, I probably couldn't even tell the difference.