you have a point but not exactly on Celi there you are wrong.her start with Edw was fast but the other was correct. Noah should somehow betrayed by everyone and left alone not saying to much for not spoiling but it should happent that wayWell i played the game evrything but the endings choices and i want to say that the game is a masterpiece it sure needs to have 5 stars.It has some flaws (not actual flaws but when you see something that good you tent to seek the tiny blemishes) and let me tell some.
First the side characters they have diferent but common tropes (milf, bdsm and sugardaddy/prostitution) and althought they had enjoyable storylines their development was exactly the same. i had the feeling that all the female characters was the same person with different skins.. i don't blame the N_tali the game have fairly game_time (i am at 12 hours) and it could be boring a solution could be to had less side characters. Second are the freeroam events it was hard to spot them thnx u that you thought of us and you post them on your walkthrought.
Another one is Edwyr. He is to blunt and is shame because he could be an intresting charcter we saw the wood elf orb scene i like him at this point if i would be the priestess i would fucked him toand the slighty protest his dad about the abduction of Noah andthe confession that he feels jealous for him when he tries to kill him.and after that his develpment was
-Celli "please don't.. (Noah will see us) (come inside)etc"
-Edwyr"Yeah OK..fuck off i do whatever i like"
And at last Cellis her character developtment is to fast. The way she succumbs to lust and forget Noah is of the place. In my humble opinion (and i mean that, i couldn't do the work that you did) you should change some of her thoughts when she have sex feels orgasms.she should have the orgasms and ejoy the sex but at the same time she thought of Noah regrets, feelings,dreams hopes to do be together to feel the same with him, to be together free from those shits and compare Noah with Edwyr all the time and that would drive Edwyr insane (more char development with one scene). For instance in changing room scene i would wrote that her coversation should be something like go toghether somewhere only the two of them he is the better person she had met. none can compare to him and why not he is much better than Edwyr. The others Celli's thoughts should fit more in the NTR ending like the thresome scene with Vaeri x Endwyr x Celli.She escalates in an acceptableway but her trope of escalation is common on one session ntr hentai.
That thoughts from a female perspactive
As for HC3 looks awesome i really like your work!!!!!! thnx u
about the endings and branch issue i don't agree..yes it feels more natural yes it is better in more ways but also it should be a way to skip to way points to the choice branch.What i mean is that to see more content you have to make multiple playthroughts and that is discouraging
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Thanks for the feedback : )
I understand what you mean, but with 100+ scenes in the game, some of them are bound to feel kind of same-y, and it gets even harder when I try to balance it out to have a progression that doesn't feel too rushed, so I try to have a wide range of situation with little apparent progress in terms of character development, but different details to try and hit different fetishes and add a variety of sexual situations. What I wished to portray with Celis was a girl that believes she is strong and can beat anyone, but finds herself very weak to carnal pleasures and all the things of love, and Edwyr uses those weakness to his advantage, hence why it looks like she succumbs to pleasure very fast. I'll keep your comments in mind for HC3 : )
"about the endings and branch issue i don't agree..yes it feels more natural yes it is better in more ways but also it should be a way to skip to way points to the choice branch.What i mean is that to see more content you have to make multiple playthroughts and that is discouraging"
I intend on having several saves included in the save files for the beginning of every ending, so people don't have to replay through the entire game to get to another ending : )
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I finished tha game and it really well made i enjoyed more than HC1 cause it has really good story and and as tali said to me "it lacks some things here and there" but it is one of the best game out there. Under i will speak about the ENDINGS remeber that any suggestions or ideas there are not to undermine N_Tali's work (wich is superb for just one man to achieve this good product) nor to judge him it's just my tastes for some elements that are missing and if they would added it would be more complete IMHO.
When we had studies on screenplays from Ancient Greek Tragedy to Starwars something to be complete needs some or all the four criterias
a)The reader-player should commiserate and see himself with the eyes of at least one of the heroes
b)The heroes should pass throught all stages of emotions
c)At the peek of the dispair of the climax (both of the story and the emotional) the caracters should snap and change their way of thinking
d) And in the end the catharsis should come to all protagonists with good or bad way
With that in mind and post my favorite ending to the least one what i would change and i would like to tell me if i am right or wrong
so HUGE spoilers ahead please skip if u dont want any
When we had studies on screenplays from Ancient Greek Tragedy to Starwars something to be complete needs some or all the four criterias
a)The reader-player should commiserate and see himself with the eyes of at least one of the heroes
b)The heroes should pass throught all stages of emotions
c)At the peek of the dispair of the climax (both of the story and the emotional) the caracters should snap and change their way of thinking
d) And in the end the catharsis should come to all protagonists with good or bad way
With that in mind and post my favorite ending to the least one what i would change and i would like to tell me if i am right or wrong
so HUGE spoilers ahead please skip if u dont want any
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I also would like to share my opinion about a few things:
HC, especially HC2 are rather long games. I played daily for quite some hours until i reached ~Quest 30. Then i had less time and startied playing more casual und slow.
From then until the end i have had the feeling Aywin and Celis had almost no progress (better word would probably be development). They were pretty much completely obedient sluts for the last 10 or 15 quest stages. The only "progression" was their pregnancy at the very end.
Don't get me wrong, i loved HC2 (and still do^^).
It got me thinking maybe, just maybe it may be a nice change to let the different females have different fast corruption pacings.
For example, Celis would have already lost her virginity at the time Aywin would start to get harassed or Aywin already doing it raw while Celis is still giving (bad) blowjobs.
Another way to go to prevent the corruption from seeming too long and flavourless: Regression
Instead of the love interest getting more and more bitchlike and loose, give one or two a short time where they are successfully fighting against it and turn back (somewhat) normal.
It's not that your games are badly written (far from it) but i still believe it COULD (no must) be that one or two LI have such a strong bond to the MC (or anyone else in the game) that the corrupion simply takes longer / is more diffucult than the corruption of other love interests or that she is shaking it off right in the middle of sluttyfication process.
Maybe the corruption progress is simply halted for a short time, maybe the love interest is shaking the sexual harassment / blackmail / whatever completely off and the Edwyir of HC3 figures out how to continue with her
(the game could continue with the other females and eventually another LI is corrupted to the point where she helps him corrupting the other one (again)).
I don't know how much you like this, how popular this would be. I just thought it unlikely for different women to all have the exact same pace of starting to give clear sexual favours (handjob, sex,...) until eventually completely becoming obedient sluts without as much as a hitch.
HC, especially HC2 are rather long games. I played daily for quite some hours until i reached ~Quest 30. Then i had less time and startied playing more casual und slow.
From then until the end i have had the feeling Aywin and Celis had almost no progress (better word would probably be development). They were pretty much completely obedient sluts for the last 10 or 15 quest stages. The only "progression" was their pregnancy at the very end.
Don't get me wrong, i loved HC2 (and still do^^).
It got me thinking maybe, just maybe it may be a nice change to let the different females have different fast corruption pacings.
For example, Celis would have already lost her virginity at the time Aywin would start to get harassed or Aywin already doing it raw while Celis is still giving (bad) blowjobs.
Another way to go to prevent the corruption from seeming too long and flavourless: Regression
Instead of the love interest getting more and more bitchlike and loose, give one or two a short time where they are successfully fighting against it and turn back (somewhat) normal.
It's not that your games are badly written (far from it) but i still believe it COULD (no must) be that one or two LI have such a strong bond to the MC (or anyone else in the game) that the corrupion simply takes longer / is more diffucult than the corruption of other love interests or that she is shaking it off right in the middle of sluttyfication process.
Maybe the corruption progress is simply halted for a short time, maybe the love interest is shaking the sexual harassment / blackmail / whatever completely off and the Edwyir of HC3 figures out how to continue with her
(the game could continue with the other females and eventually another LI is corrupted to the point where she helps him corrupting the other one (again)).
I don't know how much you like this, how popular this would be. I just thought it unlikely for different women to all have the exact same pace of starting to give clear sexual favours (handjob, sex,...) until eventually completely becoming obedient sluts without as much as a hitch.
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I agree with u. This is a common trope for hentai NTR hentai/magas etc that need to tell a story in 3-5 scenes (with porn included) within 24 pages HC2 has over 100 with Celis 23 scenes far to many for that trope (paersonal flavor here) and That's why HC1 has more more stars imho cause Eleanor never stop to have feelings for MC but the drug was driving insane and lustful all the time Celis on the other hand was not that case she slowly and slowly and as the sex scenes advance says with a more hesitant way that Edwyr has her body and Noah her love . yes she was blackmailed but in so long stories lust should not overshadow the feelings the other way around is more proper.(personal opinion again) Thats why i posted my thought for diferent endings
i don't agree with that Aywin was not a virgin she has no reason for being faithful and also the game could be boring if the progression was the same for them both
We all do noone spent his time and thoughts for somethnig that his is not liking
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Heya guys and gals, N_Taii here! I'm bringing you another PoL post with more news about HC3. I've been feeling a bit under the weather today, so I'll keep this one short. Also, I don't have a whole lot to say, since things have just been progressing as usual.
To add on what I have written in the title, I've came up with a few new ideas to add to the transition part between the prologue and the start of the actual gameplay of the game's main part. I wanted to have some more "juicy stuff", and also add a few story scenes so that the players wouldn't feel like they're being suddenly rushed, but instead gently eased into the main story after the prologue/introduction.
This entails creating new assets, new dialogues, and new maps. Since I want to maintain continuity, all of the maps are made in an image editing software, so they take a bit of time to finish. That means there will probably be a few more days added before the first release of the game, but not many. I predict it will take at most till mid-june to release it, but I highly doubt it will actually take that long to be honest. Still, I hate broken promises, so I'd rather not make any for the time being : ) Just know that those few extra days are used to (hpefully) make the game even better!
Also, I'd love to have HC3's main banner ready for the game's main menu before release. The artist has finally sent me the first draft a few days ago, and I really like it. Still, I have my doubts about it being finished before release. If it isn't I'll just post it here when it's done, then add it in-game for the next release : )
That's it for now. I'll go back to work now and work hard to bring you the best game I can : )
Thank you for reading, and have a wonderful week!
N_Taii
WHAT A TEASER!! I absolutely adore the new sprites (they look so sexyyy). I think the teaser looks really promising and atmospheric. Really looking forward for the new art style in HC3!!
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Heya guys and gals, N_Taii here! I'm bringing you another PoL post with more news about HC3. I've been feeling a bit under the weather today, so I'll keep this one short. Also, I don't have a whole lot to say, since things have just been progressing as usual.
To add on what I have written in the title, I've came up with a few new ideas to add to the transition part between the prologue and the start of the actual gameplay of the game's main part. I wanted to have some more "juicy stuff", and also add a few story scenes so that the players wouldn't feel like they're being suddenly rushed, but instead gently eased into the main story after the prologue/introduction.
This entails creating new assets, new dialogues, and new maps. Since I want to maintain continuity, all of the maps are made in an image editing software, so they take a bit of time to finish. That means there will probably be a few more days added before the first release of the game, but not many. I predict it will take at most till mid-june to release it, but I highly doubt it will actually take that long to be honest. Still, I hate broken promises, so I'd rather not make any for the time being : ) Just know that those few extra days are used to (hpefully) make the game even better!
Also, I'd love to have HC3's main banner ready for the game's main menu before release. The artist has finally sent me the first draft a few days ago, and I really like it. Still, I have my doubts about it being finished before release. If it isn't I'll just post it here when it's done, then add it in-game for the next release : )
That's it for now. I'll go back to work now and work hard to bring you the best game I can : )
Thank you for reading, and have a wonderful week!
N_Taii
Heya guys and gals, N_Taii here! I'm bringing you another PoL post with more news about HC3. I've been feeling a bit under the weather today, so I'll keep this one short. Also, I don't have a whole lot to say, since things have just been progressing as usual.
To add on what I have written in the title, I've came up with a few new ideas to add to the transition part between the prologue and the start of the actual gameplay of the game's main part. I wanted to have some more "juicy stuff", and also add a few story scenes so that the players wouldn't feel like they're being suddenly rushed, but instead gently eased into the main story after the prologue/introduction.
This entails creating new assets, new dialogues, and new maps. Since I want to maintain continuity, all of the maps are made in an image editing software, so they take a bit of time to finish. That means there will probably be a few more days added before the first release of the game, but not many. I predict it will take at most till mid-june to release it, but I highly doubt it will actually take that long to be honest. Still, I hate broken promises, so I'd rather not make any for the time being : ) Just know that those few extra days are used to (hpefully) make the game even better!
Also, I'd love to have HC3's main banner ready for the game's main menu before release. The artist has finally sent me the first draft a few days ago, and I really like it. Still, I have my doubts about it being finished before release. If it isn't I'll just post it here when it's done, then add it in-game for the next release : )
That's it for now. I'll go back to work now and work hard to bring you the best game I can : )
Thank you for reading, and have a wonderful week!
N_Taii
N_taii thanks for your hard work!! Take all the time you need. The whole f95zone NTR community is already looking out for HC3 to drop and HC3 took its time, but we all now its more then worth the wait and we now you long enough to know that you finish what you start! Man this is gonna be something...
Just adding that this particular map is a one-time map that appears during the transition between the prologue/introduction and the main part of the game. It isn't really relevant to the story, and it will only take players around 10-15 minutes to clear it, but I decided to add it to make up for the very limited amount of sex scenes during the introduction. As you said, it's mainly a teaser meant to entice players. It's my way of saying: "I know it's mostly story and character development for the moment, but stick around and you'll get to see more and more juicy stuff like this".
Because it isn't an important map, I didn't put as much time into making it, so it looks slightly more basic that the other maps, especially the terrain. I just wanted to put that out there : )
Well i never said it should have the same pacing/progress. I wanted to suggest to let the different love interests have different stages of progression:
One gets corrupted earlier on than the next. Another one is taking longer in the initial stage of corruption whilst the other one is having sex but refuses to do it raw so the other one(s) catch up to her curruption stage again.
Such things besides a regression of corruption; a (short) time in which one or more (probably only 1, but all of these are things N_taii would decide) can shake of the blackmail, pleasure, etc..
Both suggestions only work if the game would have different pacings from the start until the end paths. One female would almost always be deeper or less affected as the other ones.
I don't know if this is just a question about opinion/popularity or if this would mean more work for N_taii, but i wanted to make this point. It's up to him if he likes this or not ^^
Having different paced and generally different developing corruption stories sounds amazing to me. That was one of the 'bigger' problems HC2 had. The corruption of the different female characters felt very much the same. Pacing and progress felt very similar, while the scenes themselves even were quite different.
I think one important thing N_Taii already worked heavily upon is the character development in general. Thats going to improve big time in HC3. And I am very happy with this direction. But I also like your idea (while I have some concerns with this at the same time).
Having different paced corruption processes would really feel more realistic and the different corruption/ntr stories would feel more individual and character-oriented. Thats the big plus. At the same time I love seeing a long and detailed corruption build up and I wouldnt want to miss it with any of the upcoming female characters in HC3. Still maybe there can be more story-driven, interesting pace changes in some of the corruption stages as your already formulate;
E.g. one of the women gives her first BJ faster due to certain circumstances, but isnt that easily convinced to have full-on sex and takes more time in that respective department. All of those pace differences have to be story incorported and story-driven though (so that there is a good reason/explanation for why her corruption goes different). In general I really do like the idea though as N_Taii also has the chance to 'experiment' with very different NTR stories/corruption processes.
I have one single demand though
please let the corruption of the first real girlfriend in the HC-series (the princess) be the longest and most detailed one!! I was already suffering when Aywin in HC2, who was my favourite NTR character/scenario had a very fast paced and hidden corruption progress with most sharing/gangbang scenes. I would love to see a real classical, detailed, loooong and dark corruption NTR story with the princess in HC3, where the evil antagonist takes all his time to corrupt her mind heavily. With a looot of groping, harassment, blackmail scenes. Such scenes were too few in HC2 imo and I would love to see more of such during the entire corruption stories, and there are so many variations possible (early on its more of an accidental groping or groping by blackmail, later on it goes more into the exhibitionism direction, where the female characters start to find joy in it. Also its a great tool for mystery NTR scenes where the characters get groped while the MC kinda sees them/talks with them/....). Especially the first stages of corruption need to be planned very well imo.I love this idea and already feedbacked it to N_Taii twice. It was actually in one of my first feedbacks I had ever given concerning the HC-series (as well here on f95zone):
I also felt the girls in HC2 were waay to easy and generic corrupted. I hope we see a lot more back and forth and tension this time. Hell, maybe even let one of the antagonists fail big time, so that he gets into prison. But then he somehow manages to plot a big scheme and gets back into the game and this time is successful. This way the story and NTR will be much more connected and there will be much more tension as well as in the story as in the lewd scenes….In general sometimes I feel like there is too less resistance. It is almost too easy for the bad boys
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Yes you are correct i agreee with both of u BUT it was a price we had to pay considering that had
a) many characters
b) a full story with cospirancies corruption etc
c) a game with 15+ hours with out to much raoming.if he put more elements the game easily would pass 24-36+ hours it will be way to log (time consuming)
and don't forget the more complex you made something the more easily could mistep.Its usually commonon on works projects etc. to keep them as simple and as small as possible
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I just got done with the first two endings and have to say, this is easily one of the best games I played here. Normally I tend to skip long cutscenes in H games, but this time I was too invested in the story to just skip it all. Not gonna lie though, I honestly really disliked Aywin and Celis and Zeno and Ewdry. Which is weird to me since I never really end up hating characters in NTR stories. This is probably why I ended up enjoying the revenge ending. I plan to play through the last two endings really soon. I already subscribed to your patreon and am so excited to see what you have in store for HC3!
I get what you mean. As I said somewhere earlier, with 100+ sex scenes for a mere 5 female characters, a lot of the scenes won't exactly have character progression, because my imagination can only go that far^^ However, they have a variety of differences such as varying situations and sexual fetishes associated to them.
If all that interests you is character development, then you might not find it appealing, but if you enjoy, say, silhouette sex, or a certain situation where the MC talks with the girl through a half closed door while she's getting fucked on the other side, etc...You might be more likely to find something you like in those scenes. That's the good thing with smaller and less detailed pixel art, is that you can engineer a lot of different scenes without having to spend thousands on art. So I made sure to make full use of that, even if it might seem a bit redundant for some. Besides, I realized that the most positive feedback I received was with "empty updates", meaning less to no character or story development but more sex scenes, so I put slightly more emphasis in that in subsequent updates.
Linear corruption for all female character, I think, partly stems from the fact that I really like this pattern of slow progression/corruption until the eventual surrender and loss of virginity, then no condom, then submission, etc...It helps players anticipate the next step, because they have a rough understanding of what's going to happen, but they look forward as to how it will happen.
Another reason, I guess, is the implementation of side storylines for the side characters, where each quest completed escalates the corruption a little bit, so I tend to settle into a predictable corruption process of handjobs all the way to raw sex and anal with each new quest. It's just like an RPG where you start with picking flowers all the way to killing gods and demons.
But I guess it couldn't hurt to shake it up a little bit and try new patterns, although I still need to carefully ponder how I'll do it, especially since HC3's storyline really favors slow progression this time^^
Well, I don't know about skipping scenes, but there will be a Partial MC PoV that, as the name suggests, will focus more on the MC's point of view, especially for the sex elements. That means that every scene the MC doesn't directly see will be either shortened, or simply skipped over. So I guess there's that, at least.
"Show don't tell" is still a shaky process for me, as I need to trust myself and my ability to properly show things without over-explaining, and to trust my audience that they will actually get what I'm trying to say, and that it won't be overly confusing for them. It's even harder with Henteria Chronicles' low-details pixel art, where a lot of things can't be shown properly, or not well-enough that I'd be sure everyone will get it, so I tend to rely on narration and dialogue more.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it : ) I'm not sure what the "first two endings" are for you, or which ending you've played besides the Revenge one, but I'll take a guess and say the Happy and True Ending remain. If you've enjoyed the Revenge one, then the True Ending might be up your alley too, although it's (obviously) less "revenge-y".^^
First thank you for answering
I'm still blabbering on because i want to make clear that i also love slow corruption! I didn't want to make it sound that my idea was against that approach. It shouldn't be a contradiction (i think XD).
And i also agree anticipating how the development goes on is great. But at least i would also like once in a while an unexpected turn of events. As an exception, not that you need to do it all the time!
One love interest can temporary stop the harassment / corruption since they have influence or at least a brain on their own to do things. She is resisting and successfully escapes her predictament (for a short time that is^^).
Or she is incredible determined to not have sex (or at least NEVER doing it raw) so the progress halts temporary. In this case we would get 1, 2 times an event where we see how the bully is struggling to push her deeper yet fails.
These are just examples, but after such slight changes to the corruption progess, once the bully gets to overcome such a hurdle he doesn't need to skip other corruption stages or make huge and fast progress with "his" girl. It can then continue with the slow and small-stepped corruption of our heroines.
If i take HC2 as the example: Other love interest would be one step ahead in their corruption since theirs is linear.
But you have enough time to let her catch up without rushing things. You answered me saying many sex scenes are not mainly for the plot but for the sex scenes itself (with different locations, clothes, povs. and so on).
Let the one girl who had a slightly different corruption progress catch up then. She would have one of these extra scenes less, in HC2 probably 3 or 4 instead of 4 or 5.
Or you simply give her the first corruption quest: Girl A starts with quest 1, girl B has quest 2, C quest 3 and the fourth girl quest 4. That is the order during the entire game.
At the very end the fourth girl is finished. But instead of starting with the ending the first girl gets one last quest since she took longer.
I will support you anyway but i wanted that you at least understand what i am trying to say. Even of you can't or don't want to follow this, i don't want to fail simply 'cause you didn't get what i was trying to say ^^
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