Ashbringer17

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From what I remember, the game has a simple trigger for choosing whether you get the loyal ending or the slut ending, and it's based solely on purity, not virgin status. I don't remember exactly, but I think it was 50+ Purity for the good ending, under 50 for the bad one. The idea being that even if the person in question didn't outright fuck, they still did lewd things all over town enough to look like they're a total cock-tease.

To be fair, making a more complex check for the ending would have likely been difficult given all the possible permutations and all that jazz.

As for the DVD shop... You have to remember that this is a setting with literal magic. While in our world, the idea that someone could make actors look identical with real people might be ludicrous... or at least it used to be. Advances in image editing and so on have made deep fakes and whatnot increasingly difficult to tell from the real thing... In their setting, it's probably pretty easy to achieve this. So the fact that Roy doesn't question it too much is honestly not that surprising in my mind. As such I'm much more willing to give Roy a pass in this one than I would be in most other settings where this happens.

As for those last two, I don't remember what they're for either. Been too long since I played the game.
Yeah I get the purity meter, it was greedy of me simply because I wanted to check if there was a duo ending or what because it was hinted in the first page/somehow I got the idea of being able to marry more than 1 girl. It is fairly easy to keep it to 50, it was just kinda unexpected, that's all.

As for the DvD, again, the problem isn't the blur, it's them knowing personal info of your significant other doing stuff , in said place and said time, and since you actually question them 2 times I thought there would be a third that would either confront them or choose to be a voyeur. Since this game is actually pretty open minded about not being a total cuck if you don't want to I thought I would be able to stop them from making porn of my childhood friend without her consent.
Nothing so grand as to give it a minus or what, just a pity.

A minus tho imo is that negative emotions fuel demons so members of the Hero's Party should be careful with that, especially the archmage that is instead cultivating lust (even though he's not young anymore to justify that as "I need demons to keep my position") proactively and the whole state/church/literally everyone is uninterested in that; yes they thought it was nonsense, but since that's truly the case then there should be a record of Demon apparitions based on areas and particular events, but they didn't go there at all except for the harem route. I'm asking far too much from a short NTR game maybe, that would require far too much time/resources and the size of the project would be different.
 
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Yeah I get the purity meter, it was greedy of me simply because I wanted to check if there was a duo ending or what because it was hinted in the first page/somehow I got the idea of being able to marry more than 1 girl. It is fairly easy to keep it to 50, it was just kinda unexpected, that's all.

As for the DvD, again, the problem isn't the blur, it's them knowing personal info of your significant other doing stuff , in said place and said time, and since you actually question them 2 times I thought there would be a third that would either confront them or choose to be a voyeur. Since this game is actually pretty open minded about not being a total cuck if you don't want to I thought I would be able to stop them from making porn of my childhood friend without her consent.
Nothing so grand as to give it a minus or what, just a pity.

A minus tho imo is that negative emotions fuel demons so members of the Hero's Party should be careful with that, especially the archmage that is instead cultivating lust (even though he's not young anymore to justify that as "I need demons to keep my position") proactively and the whole state/church/literally everyone is uninterested in that; yes they thought it was nonsense, but since that's truly the case then there should be a record of Demon apparitions based on areas and particular events, but they didn't go there at all except for the harem route. I'm asking far too much from a short NTR game maybe, that would require far too much time/resources and the size of the project would be different.
For the DVD thing, I think you're confusing player PoV elements with Roy's PoV elements. We, the players, know that something lewd will happen to the girl(s) when they're left to their own devices under certain circumstances. We, the players, know that to stop that, we need to either have Roy take the girl(s) on a date, or otherwise give them a gift. However, Roy, the character, does NOT know that when he does this, he's saving the girl(s) in question from something lewd happening to them. IC speaking, Roy is just running into them, or intentionally pursuing them because he wants to spend time with them or make them happy. IC-speaking, Roy has no reason to suspect, for example, that the doctor wants to do lewd things to the Princess, or that the massage parlor would do anything lewd to his childhood friend, or that the knight girl is dumb enough to follow any demands from the thieves... So on and so forth.

Furthermore, he has no reason to believe that there's a hidden camera network that spans the capital the way it does. That's something we, the players, know and find out about, but which Roy doesn't know anything about.

Sure, the game could have had him be suspicious of what's going on anyway if they really wanted too... but there's nothing narratively wrong with the fact that he's not. Most people wouldn't believe that the girls are dumb enough to end up in some of the situations that they end up in. Or that the mage they worked with for year is a complete dick that would cuck his own party member. Etc.

As for the other bit... Lust is a bit complicated. It's not really lust that sorta helps the Demon Lord revive in the Harem ending. It's betrayal. It also doesn't happen because the girls are particularly corrupted, but because Roy was greedy in the first place when he doesn't have the ability to keep up with 4 Nymphos. And yes, they all have nympho-like tendencies, and there's no way that any man that doesn't enhance his/her own sexual ability with magic could keep up with that. There's also the greed of the townsfolk that's involved too. Basically, I don't think lust factors in much. If it did, just having enough horny teenagers somewhere would cause demons to spawn in the setting. Not to mention that the girls that aren't married to Roy in the good endings end up very lustful anyway and there's who knows how much depravity happening in town... and still the Demon Lord doesn't revive.

Granted. I could be wrong, but I don't think. I think that there's a need for something truly extreme to cause revivals and/or the appearance of truly powerful demons in the setting. Which is why only the Harem ending has those sorts of consequences. Though that's also likely related to the fact that it's Roy that's the one that's betrayed.

In the end though, I DO agree that there could have been more to the game in a lot of ways. In some cases, like the hidden red-light district, or the bunny-girl place... and more tbh, it feels like the game is unfinished. Or like they had ideas that they had to cut out, but still left hints about them, etc. The game could definitely be improved, and it could definitely explore a lot more than it does... But the same can be said about a lot of games out there.
 

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In the end though, I DO agree that there could have been more to the game in a lot of ways. In some cases, like the hidden red-light district, or the bunny-girl place... and more tbh, it feels like the game is unfinished. Or like they had ideas that they had to cut out, but still left hints about them, etc. The game could definitely be improved, and it could definitely explore a lot more than it does... But the same can be said about a lot of games out there.
This dude's put out 2 products at this point and indeed, both of them were rather lacking from a gameplay perspective. Heck, his first game didn't even have a proper ending after ya went and offed the final boss as I recall. Then there were the bugs in there like not being able to get rid of the mercs, but needing to hook up with them to fill the gallery.

Anyway, aside from the bugs (or should I say despite the bugs) and cookie cutter gameplay I still liked both products and here's to hoping that a 3rd product is on the way sooner rather than later.

Obviously the reason why both products were still successes for me is none other than the artwork, and the 2nd release more than upped the ante on that end. If a 3rd product were to be released it's unlikely to grow in size like that again, but it'd actually be fine if it even matched the content this one offered (rather than regress to what Lias included).

And lastly, considering the skill on display in these 2 games, unless the guy hires a game DEV assistant, it's unlikely a 3rd product is going to suddenly become a masterpiece RPG ya know. The dude's strength is obviously not in game design. :sneaky:
 
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Ashbringer17

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For the DVD thing, I think you're confusing player PoV elements with Roy's PoV elements. We, the players, know that something lewd will happen to the girl(s) when they're left to their own devices under certain circumstances. We, the players, know that to stop that, we need to either have Roy take the girl(s) on a date, or otherwise give them a gift. However, Roy, the character, does NOT know that when he does this, he's saving the girl(s) in question from something lewd happening to them. IC speaking, Roy is just running into them, or intentionally pursuing them because he wants to spend time with them or make them happy. IC-speaking, Roy has no reason to suspect, for example, that the doctor wants to do lewd things to the Princess, or that the massage parlor would do anything lewd to his childhood friend, or that the knight girl is dumb enough to follow any demands from the thieves... So on and so forth.

Furthermore, he has no reason to believe that there's a hidden camera network that spans the capital the way it does. That's something we, the players, know and find out about, but which Roy doesn't know anything about.

Sure, the game could have had him be suspicious of what's going on anyway if they really wanted too... but there's nothing narratively wrong with the fact that he's not. Most people wouldn't believe that the girls are dumb enough to end up in some of the situations that they end up in. Or that the mage they worked with for year is a complete dick that would cuck his own party member. Etc.

As for the other bit... Lust is a bit complicated. It's not really lust that sorta helps the Demon Lord revive in the Harem ending. It's betrayal. It also doesn't happen because the girls are particularly corrupted, but because Roy was greedy in the first place when he doesn't have the ability to keep up with 4 Nymphos. And yes, they all have nympho-like tendencies, and there's no way that any man that doesn't enhance his/her own sexual ability with magic could keep up with that. There's also the greed of the townsfolk that's involved too. Basically, I don't think lust factors in much. If it did, just having enough horny teenagers somewhere would cause demons to spawn in the setting. Not to mention that the girls that aren't married to Roy in the good endings end up very lustful anyway and there's who knows how much depravity happening in town... and still the Demon Lord doesn't revive.

Granted. I could be wrong, but I don't think. I think that there's a need for something truly extreme to cause revivals and/or the appearance of truly powerful demons in the setting. Which is why only the Harem ending has those sorts of consequences. Though that's also likely related to the fact that it's Roy that's the one that's betrayed.

In the end though, I DO agree that there could have been more to the game in a lot of ways. In some cases, like the hidden red-light district, or the bunny-girl place... and more tbh, it feels like the game is unfinished. Or like they had ideas that they had to cut out, but still left hints about them, etc. The game could definitely be improved, and it could definitely explore a lot more than it does... But the same can be said about a lot of games out there.
We do know there is a camera network in the capital, as you can actually plant them in the casino and then wonder why the guard that asked for you help is coming from said DvD shop. As for the pov vs dvds, we know that a girl is hanging in that area, you can comment on the massage parlour, and then the day you say hi to her but don't hang around when she's in that area a DvD about them gets made? It means that she has a stalker that gets inspiration from what she does on the best case scenario(which is still concerning), and that the DvDs are true on the worst case scenario.

I do agree that the lust is more complicated, I think the Demon King will resurrect as a Cycle since he's the embodiment of sin, and it would only be a matter of time, I'm just saying that certain behaviours will help that and it's strange that no one in history was ever interested in that. Plausible, but strange. Would've been cooler for example to investigate how the demons are still roaming, adding a daily activity of being an hero, and at the same time stopping the sins in the city to lower the demon output; or going full hero in the day and mindless slaying demons while the girls get corrupted. Just a different route that would've been more interesting than "make money when your girl doesn't have an event, date her when she does, ignore the rest".

Overral I agree with the general sentiment, the game is good, could've been better, this is what we got.
At least it's a good game.
 
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