VN Ren'Py Abandoned Holiday Islands [v0.10.2] [Devon Andersson]

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Daxs

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Is Sara photo beach event bugged i only have one spot to choose from when taking pictures
 

myuhinny

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I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/scripts/locations/home/bedroom/t_bedroom.rpy", line 12, in script call
call sleep_bedroom (hours=6) from _call_sleep_bedroom_2
File "game/scripts/locations/cell/t_cell.rpy", line 76, in script call
call try_escape_torture_cell from _call_try_escape_torture_cell_2
File "game/scripts/locations/cloth_store/checkout/t_checkout.rpy", line 6, in script
call screen s_outfit_bag
File "renpy/common/000statements.rpy", line 531, in execute_call_screen
store._return = renpy.call_screen(name, *args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/00action_other.rpy", line 517, in __call__
rv = self.callable(*self.args, **self.kwargs)
File "game/scripts/outfit_bag.rpy", line 249, in pick
if self.bag[self._index].character == "Pamela" and not store.pamela.is_model():
TypeError: 'bool' object is not callable

Tried editing with console but it didn't seem to want to add Pamela as a model.
 

nwoguy

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Looks like I need to make one thing VERY clear:

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Dude, here is what I have to say. You just keep on keeping on.

To the chronic complainers I say, If you don't like it, then get off your backside, and start creating the "perfect game" with fast/frequent updates, tons of new material/scenes/story each time, with zero bugs and 100% compatibility between versions.
 

xrufi0x

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Sigh I understand the inability to move saves, but as a patreon member, there should be a "start from newest patch" I will cancel for now, goodluck.
 

Deleted member 237822

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Looks like I need to make one thing VERY clear:

Breaking the savegame compatibility in Ren'Py for big updates in a complex non-linear game is NOT A CHOICE. It is practically impossible to maintain.
  • go ahead and decompile V9 scripts and compare them with V0.10.X, you will see that trying to load an old savegame is like trying to load a Witcher 3 savegame in Minecraft, the internals changed fundamentally!
  • go ahead and ask professional developer teams from bigger projects. They will give you the same answer.
But Devon! Why does game XY have compatible savegames then?
That's because these games are far less complex and linear. As long as the game progresses linear, no matter how many paths it has, it's very easy to keep savegames compatible. A lot of people have this 'in-the-box'-thinking, they just expect content in chapters or romance routes. Most visual novels are like that, Holiday Islands is not. The open world and quest-system allows non-linear progression and it creates data-structures which are much harder to maintain/update. On top of that and contrary to the wrong assumption that I've read here, the game is still in early development. Things change internally to organize the game better. That is necessary and actually helps to speed up development due to having better scripts and a more effective workflow.

Btw the UI changes are a step towards a potential Android version. That's not playable yet. Menus are broken. The focus stays on PC/Linux/Mac.

Yes, Summertime Saga is another non-linear (and very good) visual novel. They have a team with excellent coders and they do it the same way. Hmm ... I wonder why.:unsure: (<- sarcasm) I have provided many options for a quick restart and play-through. Combined with RenPy's skip feature you can rush through the entire game in minutes.

I know some people just want to give feedback and please keep doing that, but in this case there is nothing I can do.
What pisses me off, are the people that accuse me of being lazy, down-rate the game or act entitled while lecturing me about how I could do things better, clearly knowing nothing about development. Sorry, not sorry! YOU ARE RUDE, UNFAIR AND WRONG! This is exactly why I have the reminder on the Patreon page. You guys are the reason why less dedicated developers give up! Things change during development. You cannot change car tires while it's moving. What I did with V0.10.x was not that, I changed the entire car engine.

If anyone is being lazy, it's the developers following the standard blueprint for a cash-cow Ren'Py visual novels:
Steal 3D assets, throw them in the 3D software, ignore all the clipping, no customization, bad light, render at low 720p resolution and low sample-rates to pump out as much content in the shortest possible time, release it in chapters/episodes because it's easy and fast to develop, instantly throw countless grainy sex-scenes at the player face without character backgrounds and story. After a shorty popularity burst the game just dies. There is no reason to play a game like that, you could just look at porn or rule34 animations. Good linear VNs are rare and the more popular ones tend to have ... how do it put this ... "controversial" content, things you would not be able to publish on Patreon these days.

Filling an open world with content takes MUCH longer and requires more complex logic, but it pays off on the long run. I think we can all agree on the fact that seeing these sex-scenes is something rewarding. I believe the player should 'work' for that reward, make the right decisions, learn what a character loves and hates, their backgrounds. There is way to much instant gratification in modern games. That's a problem. Why? Because fulfilling a desire without a delay makes a game boring, there is no goal anymore. There must always be a carrot on a stick to chase.

@swed57
Yep, you found a bug causes by a typo. It tries to call the function choices instead of the correct name choice. It's pops up when you try to speak to some characters while being tired (0 energy). The main-character is suppose to say something random about being tired and then block the dialog. For now it's safe to 2x click ignore, the game will continue and nothing will break.


There is nothing blocked or protected. It's just complicated due to the quest-system. Progress-data can be deeply nested inside a quest-object. Progress and/or available choices rely on many different things:
  • Does the player have a quest or is it still hidden? / Was the player introduced to this character ('unhidden' Sympathy quest)?
  • Was a quest-goal (part of a quest) or entire quest completed?
  • Is a quest-goal hidden?
  • How many 'things' did the player collect/do? (Sympathy-, Spider-, Baywatch-quests)
  • Does the player have item X (inventory)?
  • What time is it?
  • Does the player have enough sympathy? (when you see a sympathy-check notification)
  • Was variable y set? (that's mostly what other chapter based games use)
  • Is the main character tired?
  • more ...
@khaledd
This looks like a permission issue. Try:
  • moving the game out of the Users-directory, avoid folder names with spaces, something like "C:\games\HolidayIslands-0101-pc\"
  • run the game with administrator permissions
  • wipe the savegame data (or move it temporary to check whether it fixes the issue)
The exception is in RenPy's scripts, not my scripts. When RenPy writes a savegame it tries two locations. In your case both options seem to be unavailable:
  • <wherever you copied the game>\HolidayIslands-0101-pc\saves
  • %appdata%\RenPy\HolidayIslands
If there is a folder %appdata%\RenPy\HolidayIslands-Episode1-1510310011 on the system, it's from version before 0.10.x and this can be deleted (unless you want to play old versions).


Can confirm this. My bad. Type exactly this console command (Shift+O) to fix that:
pamela.is_model("True")
It should show u'True' in the console after typing this.
Hey, just wanted to say I first saw this game when you began production. I realize it was a demo but my only thoughts were looks promising but the ui was kind of clunky and you had to use the weird time dial/compass thing to move or do anything (if I remember correctly) this was about the same time other games I liked or thought were promising were dying out so I thought yours would be another like them. However I have seen your game get updated and I ignored it biding my time and electing to download games farther in there dev process. I finally downloaded it again and I have to say I am glad I waited the game looks good, there is a lot more to do and I am very interested to find out what happens in the main story line. Keep up the good work and hopefully us ungrateful jackasses that just mooch off others while still demanding more don't get you down.
 

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god I hate that game.....in the worst way:mad::mad:. I've tied the record 4 fucking times lol but I can't get that 1 fucking chicken to break the record. another problem is when do you get to talk to em about the kfc game....there is never an option for it at any point in my game:confused::unsure:
I suppose you can use cheat editor to set the record lower but then there is still my problem...when and where do you talk to emily about the game?
I got 79 on it by using a remote desktop app on my phone.
 
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Phil Gray

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tv/music/game culture references?

"THIS IS MADNESS"
Movie "300" In the intro during the storm.

"1989"
Taylor Swift Album. Number on the wall in the girls bedroom.

"Micheal Knight"
Crime fighter in the 1982 TV series "Knight Rider".

"Ivan the Space Biker: *mumbling* where is my crowbar?"
Was the nickname for the original character model in the PC game Half Life.

"Evil Immoral"
Blizzards-PR disaster at Blizzcon 2018: 'Diablo Immortal'. On the laptop under mail at the bottom is an ad for this game.

"Rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle"
Is an item in the online shop: PC game 'Monkey Island'

"Ghost in the Shell"
1995 anime cyberpunk movie, Emily and the girl in the boutique mention it.
 
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Deleted member 237822

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tv/music/game culture references?

"THIS IS MADNESS"
Movie "300" In the intro during the storm.

"1989"
Taylor Swift Album. Number on the wall in the girls bedroom.

"Micheal Knight"
Crime fighter in the 1982 TV series "Knight Rider".

"Ivan the Space Biker: *mumbling* where is my crowbar?"
Was the nickname for the original character model in the PC game Half Life.

"Evil Immoral"
Blizzards-PR disaster at Blizzcon 2018: 'Diablo Immortal'. On the laptop under mail at the bottom is an ad for this game.

"Rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle"
Is an item in the online shop: PC game 'Monkey Island'

"Ghost in the Shell"
1995 anime cyberpunk movie, Emily and the girl in the boutique mention it.
you forgot doc brown from back to the future
 
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you need to rename this game its way too close to a game thats been out since 2017



its only 1 letter difference but his has been around longer just change the name of your game to something similar but not like this both games are good it just causes too much confusion
 

Dole

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Bug

The chicken game is for me not possible to solve. The best is from 48-58. Maybe it is the known problem that a fast pc have a faster time flow.

Photoshooting
When you pick a bikini and after this buy a bikini (from another girl). In the photoshooting you have the wrong girl (the bikini you bought). You can go back to the shop click again on the bikini you choosed before and it works.

Spider
I have them only when Megan are in my bedroom or sometimes in my bedroom I haven´t seen the spider on the other places (I know from an older version). Is this a bug or correct? It take a very long time to kill all spiders.
 
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myuhinny

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@Dole

The chicken game is easy just buy the DLC from the GSN store on the computer.

Spiders are very really fucking hard to see. They pop up in the morning and later in the day each time they are in different areas. The easiest fucking way to find them is to extract the game files with unren or enable dev mode renpy and then start game and in game hit shift + D and scroll down to the bottom to where it shows random spider and look and see where it is at then go and find it. **Note there isn't one in the hallway even if it says there's one there it's a lie or they are under one of the icons and you can't see it but I have combed that who screen when one was there and nothing every popped up.
 

bacchusplateau

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@Dole

The chicken game is easy just buy the DLC from the GSN store on the computer.

Spiders are very really fucking hard to see. They pop up in the morning and later in the day each time they are in different areas. The easiest fucking way to find them is to extract the game files with unren or enable dev mode renpy and then start game and in game hit shift + D and scroll down to the bottom to where it shows random spider and look and see where it is at then go and find it. **Note there isn't one in the hallway even if it says there's one there it's a lie or they are under one of the icons and you can't see it but I have combed that who screen when one was there and nothing every popped up.
Mmm...I have to disagree with you on buying the DLC content to make the game easier. I still couldn't beat the game. As someone posted earlier, a touch screen app would be the easiest way to beat the game. Me, I just used unren to look at the images of Meagan in her swimsuit and said, "Fuck it." to trying to beat KFC.
 

DA22

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Not sure if wise to share it here since dev might change the game in next update so this wont be possible anymore, but I decided to cheat after an failing for over an hour with DLC installed. We are not all 18 with a love for FPS games and good reflexes.

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myuhinny

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@bacchusplateau

Just going by what I know and for me the DLC makes it easier on the PC I only use a PC.

@DA22

I just place one hand on the mouse the other one on the fire button and spam that button like I just don't care and use the other mouse to control where to go.
 
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DA22

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@bacchusplateau

Just going by what I know and for me the DLC makes it easier on the PC I only use a PC.

@DA22

I just place one hand on the mouse the other one on the fire button and spam that button like I just don't care and use the other mouse to control where to go.
That might work as well, but for me it was already a problem hitting those chickens in time with my mouse on my pc, maybe it has something to do with the option someone suggested before that timer goes down faster on some pc's or I just really suck at games like this. :p
 
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