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Alright, since you insist on keeping your "I still am nowhere near crossing the line" attitude (wauw, how did I predict THAT would happen?) let's take the points 1 by 1:
- The house in the game is NOT from DS. He has no copyright on it.
I never mentioned anything about whether or not DS owned the house (or any other assets from his game), the point I made was that you claim that your game is in no way similar to BB, while using the EXACT same assets that he does, which only proves that you have no intention of trying to set your game apart from BB (other than the filter)
- Same charachter names? So what? Are names copyrighted?
Technically yes, some names are very much copyrighted. In particular names from big movie franchices/books. As for the names that are relevant to our discussion, while the names aren't copyrighted, it shows how you WANT your game to be assosiated with BB, by copying it in every way you can find, instead of setting your game apart by using original names instead.
- Characters look the same? Come on! 2/3 of all games here use the same assets over and over again. DS didn't even take the trouble to change the characters for BB in any way that can be bought freely in the DAZ Store. I have at least changed the shapes and faces of the game characters according to my taste and liking.
Again, yes, there are a limited number of assets available. However, given that you keep pointing out your vast experience with 3d modeling/rendering, it would have been a piece of cake to make some characters, which looked nothing like the characters from BB, or at least change them enough that you could tell they were inspired by a character, but changed enough to be it's own thing (how about giving Kira a new haircut/haircolor/body type/skin color/WHATEVER to make her stand out from how she looks in BB?
- The story will be changed and extended in many aspects.
Yeah, can't wait to see that. Disney also changed the story in star wars and the fans are known for their BOUNDLESS love for said changes.
- Only cartoon filters placed over the renders?
I call things as I see them. I see only BB with a cartoon filter on it, and so does most of the people in this thread, judging by the comments.
Not a single render in the game is from DS. All are created by me from scratch.
My condolences. It pains me to learn how much work apparently was put into such a lazy looking result.
And I know at minimum two creators who make money on patreon with games that contain complete visual material and text from DS-BB.
"But Mooooom, you can't blame me for stealing apples from the neighbors tree, because Hank and Bobby were doing it as well!" (In case this confuses you, just because someone else does it does not legitimize you doing it as well)
Eager for your response
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lewismasss
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My two cents:
The author has been very open that this is BB tribute. Many of the first posters directly attacked, insulted, and trolled the author because the game was based on BB. The author, rightfully, defended themselves and their project. The discussion continues on and on and it is similar to beating a dead horse. Perhaps everyone thought their brow beating posts would actually do some good?
However, that gives no one the right to come at Deep like everyone has and try to snuff out his passion, his work, his vision, and his drive. I'm thoroughly impressed that Deep is continuing in the face of all this adversity, as he should. Personally, I hope he takes CONSTRUCTIVE criticism well (i.e. feedback on the grind) but in no way should he tolerate blatant attacks. We're a community that all love these erotic games. It's best for everyone, developers and creators, if we continue to be supportive of content creators.
The solution is simple. If you don't want to play another title around BB, then don't.
Maybe we could all just start again and help Deep with his project instead of try and destroy it.
The author has been very open that this is BB tribute. Many of the first posters directly attacked, insulted, and trolled the author because the game was based on BB. The author, rightfully, defended themselves and their project. The discussion continues on and on and it is similar to beating a dead horse. Perhaps everyone thought their brow beating posts would actually do some good?
However, that gives no one the right to come at Deep like everyone has and try to snuff out his passion, his work, his vision, and his drive. I'm thoroughly impressed that Deep is continuing in the face of all this adversity, as he should. Personally, I hope he takes CONSTRUCTIVE criticism well (i.e. feedback on the grind) but in no way should he tolerate blatant attacks. We're a community that all love these erotic games. It's best for everyone, developers and creators, if we continue to be supportive of content creators.
The solution is simple. If you don't want to play another title around BB, then don't.
Maybe we could all just start again and help Deep with his project instead of try and destroy it.
This game looks like it just took assets from other games and put a photoshop filter over them.
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Perhaps i am to stupid ... but i cant find a way to interact with the characters, only at dinner u have a few choises.
it's possible have a CG-rip? for see if I have found all.. this game don't have a quest log..
and too few interactions...
and too few interactions...
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If you make something that looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, acts like a duck and post it on a forum for duck enthusiasts, then you shouldn't get surprised or upset when people start asking questions about your duck, while claiming that though it seems like a duck, it aint a duck at all and people are stupid for assuming that it ever was one.
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Ok. You've got your message across. You don't like the game. You gave your thoughts and your opinion and expressed your concerns. Deep has replied to them. Everyone has said their peace.
Question now is, can we all move forward. HK47, are you willing to help Deep constructively with his project?
Miðgarðsormr
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If i may jump in for a response.
And since you mention star wars later on. Vader is in another language the word for father (i think it was norwegian or something) and a mix between that and the german word for it "Vater" so the dark lord of the sith is actually named the entire time as a "Father" while Millions of people had no idea what vader even means.
BUT if the the stupid dude (me) who can't do much in Daz managed to make an unique young goth chick with the assets provided, then everyone can. Especially the dev of this game or anyone else who is willing to watch some tutorials on youtube and experiment with daz for some hours.
(Crossing fingers it happens)
So i understand the dev defending this point. However i also understand that people dont want something they already know for that amount of time already. Still changing all again would put the dev back instead of forward. What i would advice is take the critique and learn from it.
Alone to avoid copyright issues with Zombies we have already seen alot of avoiding calling them that way. Infected, Runners, Biters, Walkers etc.
At last i think everyone should calm down now and not bash each other. If you like the game play it if not make some pointers what should be better so the dev can work on it instead of feeling like to defend every point someone makes as some posts are clearly attacking the dev who what i have seen so far makes 0 money of it.
True that nothing to add here.
As this is 100% true it still baffles my mind to this day how people think its hards to find new names or invent the wheel new when coming up with names. My prime example is a very young boy who goes to a school for wizards called simply harry. Harry is neither a new name nor can it be copyrighted as millions of people running around which names are exactly that. Yet it made a certain women Billions of dollars writing it.
And since you mention star wars later on. Vader is in another language the word for father (i think it was norwegian or something) and a mix between that and the german word for it "Vater" so the dark lord of the sith is actually named the entire time as a "Father" while Millions of people had no idea what vader even means.
I did some Dazing (is that even a word??) myself and you can find literally thousands of unique models for a cheap price. You can even reach out to some Daz Model makers giving them a photo and ask them to make you a model. From 19.99€ to actually 200€ (only if you want multiple unique clothes as well) and according to them it takes them literally 2 hours to make as example Helen Mirren, Natalie Portman and the only things i found that are hard for them is unique stuff like half a cyborg or a terminator model of arnie with half his face gone. That takes actually days if not weeks.
BUT if the the stupid dude (me) who can't do much in Daz managed to make an unique young goth chick with the assets provided, then everyone can. Especially the dev of this game or anyone else who is willing to watch some tutorials on youtube and experiment with daz for some hours.
Especially since the 2 new movies contradict each other cause the writers didnt know the other movie. Made alot of sense on disney's part. Lets piss of the biggest fan group of this planet who ever existed. The dev here has a better starting ground then they do. Cause if the next movie sucks as well Lucasarts can by Contract remove the license from disney once and for all.
(Crossing fingers it happens)
I dont mind that but alot of people seem to do.
While you might dislike that i have to agree with the dev on this one. Making renders, Setting the light correctly and adjusting the models is a job like old movies who used claymation (animations with clay) and a pain in the ass. After 2 days of work and only 30 renders i gave up ever managing to actually get something done there. Its hard. And no one thanks you for it. Not even yourself.
So i understand the dev defending this point. However i also understand that people dont want something they already know for that amount of time already. Still changing all again would put the dev back instead of forward. What i would advice is take the critique and learn from it.
While that is true you have to admit that many people make millions if not billions with the same idea. Werewolfs, Vampires and even Zombies and other fantasy creatures are all copyrighted you can only avoid paying the owners of those rights by either naming them differently or giving them completly other origins and traits which technically is another fantasy creature by then.
Alone to avoid copyright issues with Zombies we have already seen alot of avoiding calling them that way. Infected, Runners, Biters, Walkers etc.
At last i think everyone should calm down now and not bash each other. If you like the game play it if not make some pointers what should be better so the dev can work on it instead of feeling like to defend every point someone makes as some posts are clearly attacking the dev who what i have seen so far makes 0 money of it.
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I am always ready. Ready to move forward, or to discuss things when I truly believe that someone is in the wrong. I want learn new opinions and challenge other people's opinions (which is borderlining on being a crime this day, I know).
As for the dev, I simply want him to admit that he is using BB and all the work that Dark Silver has done to create the characters/story, in order to promote his own game and lure people to him. Constantly arguing that the game is nothing like BB is not a smart move, when you basically made a playerbase of people who knows BB better than anyone else and knows that you are lying to their faces.
If the dev admits to this, there is no problem (or at least enough problems removed, that I won't bother the guy anymore). If he keeps trying to piss on my shoes and claiming it to be rain, then I won't go anywhere.
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I really don't get the appeal to Big Brother. Talk to person, click through an entire week, talk to person, click through an entire week, talk to person, scene, repeat. And the writing wasn't even good. The fact that there's so many of these even worse clones is just astonishing to me.
As is apparent, people have different tastes...
But, with that said, even I can tell that this is a total fucking rip of that game. Not that I care about that in particularly.
As is apparent, people have different tastes...
But, with that said, even I can tell that this is a total fucking rip of that game. Not that I care about that in particularly.