VN Ren'Py Hypnosis [v1.4.3] [Expanding Universe]

[Signomancer]

I did that, MC still wound up under Laura's control...it happened in a different way, but end result was MC being a slave for Laura. As far as I know, all available endings are MC turning into a slave.

Let's distinguish between endings and chapter breaks. The cruise ending is an actual ending; the game won't continue past that point. The other "endings" were just cliffhangers for the next chapter. You asked how to avoid the cruise ending and I answered that question. I also expected you would want to avoid the cliffhanger situation, which is why I suggested waiting until the next update. As of right now, every possible chapter break ends badly for Protag-kun, but a new route will be added in the next update that allows players to avoid that.

She has 4 paths that lead to 3 endings, if you want to be more precise.

The three endings would be:

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Still stupid to make 4 paths leading to 3 endings, all for the same character

Again, most of those aren't actually endings, though I do agree that the railroading is really frustrating. I personally wouldn't mind the cliffhanger so much if not for the fact that we've had three straight months of downer chapter breaks, and the last two cliffhangers didn't get resolved satisfactorily.

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I'm sure we're meant to see the situation as an obstacle for Protag-kun to overcome. It could be exciting to imagine the different ways he could escape his current predicament, but that only works if we have faith in him. His recent string of failures and forced stupidity make it hard for most of us to have any faith that things will go well, which makes the cliffhanger feel less like an obstacle and more like a defeat.

 

[Sewyoba]

I believe the only way to avoid the cruise ending is to stop playing until the other endings are released or play a pre cruise update version of the VN. I, of course, could be mistaken

Wut. Don't go to Laura in the morning and/or don't say you want her as a girlfriend.

Or maybe you didn't read the notice at the end of current "harem"/normal route content saying that you can view cruise ending yes/no and just clicked yes without thinking, I dunno

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Wut. Don't go to Laura in the morning and/or don't say you want her as a girlfriend.

Or maybe you didn't read the notice at the end of current "harem"/normal route content saying that you can view cruise ending yes/no and just clicked yes without thinking, I dunno

Touche'. That would work too for those that can't bear the laura endings.

 

[Jstforme]

Maybe it's the pessimist in me, but I have a feeling the Dev is going to write another bad ending, just involving a different character rather than Laura...like Laura's older sister...she did basically say she knew what Laura was doing and that she had the watch. Seems to be the message the Dev is trying to say is that mind control is bad, and has consequences...at least if you're dumb as a rock like the MC is.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Maybe it's the pessimist in me, but I have a feeling the Dev is going to write another bad ending, just involving a different character rather than Laura...like Laura's older sister...she did basically say she knew what Laura was doing and that she had the watch. Seems to be the message the Dev is trying to say is that mind control is bad, and has consequences...at least if you're dumb as a rock like the MC is.

I truly hope your feeling is 100% wrong, no offense

 

[juan palote]

We are spoiled a lot on this forum. So many visual novels have great choices and tick off fetishes and likes. Even though it has choices for us its still a novel. The dev chose to get these endings out of the way.

That led to so much griping. I, for one, have faith that the next endings I will enjoy. I just wish the griping wouldn't be so long winded and frequent.

Us following this thread know that a lot of us are not happy with the cruise/laura endings. So let's just see what the future holds and keep the Jerry springer behavior in Florida where it belongs

The griping is completely justified, because it was a very stupid decision from the Dev.

Of course the next endings will probably be better, because as long as there is no more Laura shoved down out throats, it will be anb improvement.

That doesnt make the decisions to make 3 endings for one single character stupid, and its OBVIOUS that it will generate a big backlash

I dont understand why some fans need the absolute need to justify even the worse decisions the Devs made... its like they cant think and just have to defend everything at all costs, and this doesnt go for you.

 

[juan palote]

Backlash happened. Dev has been watching, heard everyones concerns and is now planning a route where Luara doesn't hypnotize you.

I felt the same as everyone else about the paths given to us but let's be fair here, the next update it's being corrected. So let's all wait and see, if he keeps screwing it up feel free to continue being angry but until then who knows?

About more "Bad Endings" this game has already had a few bad endings so I'm positive that there will be a few more, but honestly I know there are several good endings planned for sure plus a harem ending. So let's not worry too much yet.

Well, i havent given my feedback untill now, because i had it queued with other games.

So i gave it, but there are always White Knigths that try to silence the feedback.

I dont know what the Dev has planned, i can only give feedback towards what the game has, and its a very positive feedback untill the Dev bias towards Laura started to show up and also, the MC being kind of clueless, ok, the MC being a complete idiot that cant see an Elephant in front of him, its just stupid.

Grace and Daphne realized who had the watch in minutes, Brittany realized with just a little of information. The MC spends months living with the owner and seeing hints everywhere around and nothing rings a bell?

Not only they are bad endings, they are stupid endings, very badly written.

 

[juan palote]

No one is "White Knighting" go back on the thread and read, I've already blasted allot of this in my own way, however since then the Dev has announced a new path were you don't get hypnotized by Laura. All I'm saying is, since Dev is addressing some of the concerns, let's wait and see what happens.

I did not at any point say or suggest that everyone's criticisms aren't justified or suggest they don't have a right to give any. In fact I believe personally that anyone whose invested time playing has the right to give criticism.

If you simply dont like the game and don't want to continue waiting that's fine as well, all I'm saying is Dev has a chance to redeem himself a little bit and we should wait and see it. Sometimes awsome things happen, like with My Sister My Roommate. Dev heard the concerns then addressed them and had a better story because of it. I'm more so in the let's give it another chance camp at the moment.

I wasnt talking about you when i said White Knight

I like the game, i dont like the Devs obsession with giving Laura endings, which is almost all we have gotten so far in the last couple patches

Again, maybe the Dev will make it better, but i cant give feedback on future content, i can only give feedback on current content.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

sorry if my posts are considered "white knighting". I've enjoyed this VN and while not thrilled with the cruise ending I dont see the reason to act like I just caught this VN fucking my mom in a badly lit NTR scene.
For the price I paid (0) its been worth even the cruise ending. It has entertained me. And I'm hopeful for the coming endings. Calling devs stupid etc is just rude and unnecessary.

 

[Jstforme]

sorry if my posts are considered "white knighting". I've enjoyed this VN and while not thrilled with the cruise ending I dont see the reason to act like I just caught this VN fucking my mom in a badly lit NTR scene.
For the price I paid (0) its been worth even the cruise ending. It has entertained me. And I'm hopeful for the coming endings. Calling devs stupid etc is just rude and unnecessary.

The whole point in making these games is to earn patreons...ie: make money. If you create content that fans of your game don't like, it's normally bad business to keep writing content your fans don't like.
Really, the Laura ending should be among the very last story endings to release, not the first 2.

 

[juan palote]

sorry if my posts are considered "white knighting". I've enjoyed this VN and while not thrilled with the cruise ending I dont see the reason to act like I just caught this VN fucking my mom in a badly lit NTR scene.
For the price I paid (0) its been worth even the cruise ending. It has entertained me. And I'm hopeful for the coming endings. Calling devs stupid etc is just rude and unnecessary.

I am pretty sure the target of my white knight sentence realized it was for him. Hint, it wasnt you either.

But come on, people get hypnotized by watching a video where the object that needs to be used to take your attention wasnt even pointed at the camera, the person hypnotizing you isnt even facing the camera or even addressing you, that alone is the most stupid thing i have seen in any game on this whole site, and that is saying a lot...

I mean, the 2 last updates are full of stupidity, one after the other, destroying the whole 9 previous chapters and ignoring any user preference, shoving a single path (being hypnotized) onto you, without being able to avoid it.

I am not calling the dev stupid, i am calling the last 2 updates on this game are stupid. You can make a stupid update without being stupid.

 

[soxfanforever]

I've supported this game for months & I've talked to the dev about the direction he took the plot. And about the backlash (which I understand and generally agreed with). And the dev recognized that he miscalculated what the fan base would accept as well as how dark his plot had gotten. To be honest he was somewhat concerned that he'd put a large number of players off. There were several participants in the conversation, & topics ranged from players who view MCs in games as a way to self-insert in the story, to players that felt the tables had been flipped entirely & mind control in the Laura storyline constituted rape. I get why some people support the Laura story (as I understood the rationale of the plot change as a way to subvert expectations), but people need to stop acting like the complaints are overblown or immature. We went from a generally happy story (that still involved MC getting raped in his sleep) to a story where MC was being dominated in a manner he had never performed during the earlier chapters of the story. For a porn game that was lighter fare, things got dark and bleak very abruptly. Since the dev recognizes this & has stated his intention to try to mend things with his disappointed audience, why do people find it necessary to continue to argue about this? There should be a warning on the front page of this thread explaining the situation & that the game isn't over & is continuing to be developed with additional storylines in progress. It could prevent a lot of players from misunderstanding what's happening in the game. Because currently the Developer Notes on the front page say "What not to expect:" and includes in that section "anything non-consenual" which is inexact at best & completely wrong at worst depending on the viewer.

 

[juan palote]

We went from a generally happy story (that still involved MC getting raped in his sleep) to a story where MC was being dominated in a manner he had never performed during the earlier chapters of the story.

I think this is the worst part.

The difference between Episode 10 and the 9 previous episodes is like two entirely different games, and if Episode 1 was anything like Episode 10, i wouldnt have continued to play the game.

That, and the video hypnosis crap, which i cant understand how the fuck the Dev thought it was a good idea.

Since the dev recognizes this & has stated his intention to try to mend things with his disappointed audience, why do people find it necessary to continue to argue about this?

I am sorry but i havent seen the Dev saying that. I am not a patron of this game, and i have tried searching for the Dev posts on this forum and he says nothing like that.

Also, this issues came already with the first Episode 10 update, and then after a long wait, another update comes where these issues are made even worse. I dont see any signs leading me to think the Dev understood the issue, the last updates only tells me the contrary, that the Dev didnt undertand anything and keeps moving in the wrong direction.

So i have nothing telling me the Dev will change the direction except the word of a couple of users that might have missunderstood the Dev.

The reality is that on the current update, you cant reach any point of the game where you are not being hypnotized by Laura. NOT A SINGLE PATH (unless you have taken the Leah early ending)

So yeah, untill there is another update where the Dev changes things, or untill there is an official post of the Dev stating that he understands the mistake and will work on fixing it, i will continue to complain.

Hell, the OP doesnt even have a Female Domination tag, which is exactly what Laura is doing.

So yeah, i think the complaints will keep popping up untill the Dev does something about it

 

[Orannis]

I've supported this game for months & I've talked to the dev about the direction he took the plot. And about the backlash (which I understand and generally agreed with). And the dev recognized that he miscalculated what the fan base would accept as well as how dark his plot had gotten. To be honest he was somewhat concerned that he'd put a large number of players off. There were several participants in the conversation, & topics ranged from players who view MCs in games as a way to self-insert in the story, to players that felt the tables had been flipped entirely & mind control in the Laura storyline constituted rape.

Do you have a Screen shot of this.

 

[Gibberish666]

I've supported this game for months & I've talked to the dev about the direction he took the plot. And about the backlash (which I understand and generally agreed with). And the dev recognized that he miscalculated what the fan base would accept as well as how dark his plot had gotten. To be honest he was somewhat concerned that he'd put a large number of players off. There were several participants in the conversation, & topics ranged from players who view MCs in games as a way to self-insert in the story, to players that felt the tables had been flipped entirely & mind control in the Laura storyline constituted rape. I get why some people support the Laura story (as I understood the rationale of the plot change as a way to subvert expectations), but people need to stop acting like the complaints are overblown or immature. We went from a generally happy story (that still involved MC getting raped in his sleep) to a story where MC was being dominated in a manner he had never performed during the earlier chapters of the story. For a porn game that was lighter fare, things got dark and bleak very abruptly. Since the dev recognizes this & has stated his intention to try to mend things with his disappointed audience, why do people find it necessary to continue to argue about this? There should be a warning on the front page of this thread explaining the situation & that the game isn't over & is continuing to be developed with additional storylines in progress. It could prevent a lot of players from misunderstanding what's happening in the game. Because currently the Developer Notes on the front page say "What not to expect:" and includes in that section "anything non-consenual" which is inexact at best & completely wrong at worst depending on the viewer.

I've tried to stop commenting on this topic because I've found that trying to explain why the outrage is unnecessary is like screaming at a brick wall. (But here I am again) They are arguing from an emotional position that I originally found myself in as well. I even commented quite some time ago that a non-hypnotised route for a clever player to find would be a good idea - like tossing Brittany in the pool would destroy her phone. No one says it has to be waterproof. I can both support a non hypnotized route and support the Dev's decision.

What I never did was go, "oH My GoD wHaT jUsT hApPeNeD i'M sO mAd At ThIs GaMe NoW! lAuRa Is SuCh A cUnT!! fUcK yOu DeV!! rAwRrRrRr!!!" That kind of reaction is unnecessary, and what I've been trying to argue against.

I took the time to look at the game's direction objectively. If the story at chapter 10 was still the same meandering physical altering silliness as it was in the first couple of chapters, I'd have probably gotten bored with it. My assumption is that the dev is trying to keep his game interesting. Honestly, I do think it is very interesting. There is actually now a plot instead of just a setting. It's not like Laura shot your puppy dog, and it's not like it's happening to the player personally. We've only seen a handful of lines of Laura mind dominating the MC for the cliffhanger. There is no evidence that he's a mind-wiped sack of meat, which I honestly really don't think the dev would do in the first place. I think the Dev was planning on loopholes in the commands or certain limitations on the watch. We don't know yet, because the game is not over, and so it's not worth getting 'THIS' upset at right now. If people want to get mad at a game for having a dumb twist, play Bell Master.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

I've tried to stop commenting on this topic because I've found that trying to explain why the outrage is unnecessary is screaming at a brick wall. (But here I am again) They are arguing from an emotional position that I originally found myself in as well. I even commented quite some time ago that a non-hypnotised route for a clever player to find would be a good idea - like tossing Brittany in the pool would destroy her phone. No one says it has to be waterproof. I can both support a non hypnotized route and support the Dev's decision.

What I never did was go, "oH My GoD wHaT jUsT hApPeNeD i'M sO mAd At ThIs GaMe NoW! lAuRa Is SuCh A cUnT!! fUcK yOu DeV!! rAwRrRrRr!!!" That kind of reaction is unnecessary, and what I've been trying to argue against.

I took the time to look at the game's direction objectively. If the story at chapter 10 was still the same meandering physical altering silliness as it was in the first couple of chapters, I'd have probably gotten bored with it. My assumption is that the dev is trying to keep his game interesting. Honestly, I do think it is very interesting. There is actually now a plot instead of just a setting. It's not like Laura shot your puppy dog, and it's not like it's happening to you, personally. We've only seen a handful of lines of Laura mind dominating the MC for the cliffhanger. The game is not over, and so it's not worth getting upset over right now. If people want to get mad at a game for having a dumb twist, play Bell Master.

God i get you. I too try to not respond anymore. But it just blows my mind.
I, maybe wrongly, assume most on this forum that complain here so passionately have spent a total of 0 dollars on the VN. Cause I assume if they donated they would be @ the places they made said donations so their voice would be that much louder.
This visual novel did not steal your gf, it did not drug and rape your sister while you were tied to a chair and watch. This visual novel is not finished.
Just a little patience would be a awesome break from all the negative vibes.
99% hate the cruise ending no one is fighting that...

...never played bell master so no feelings on that

 

[Jstforme]

I took the time to look at the game's direction objectively. If the story at chapter 10 was still the same meandering physical altering silliness as it was in the first couple of chapters, I'd have probably gotten bored with it. My assumption is that the dev is trying to keep his game interesting. Honestly, I do think it is very interesting. There is actually now a plot instead of just a setting. It's not like Laura shot your puppy dog, and it's not like it's happening to the player personally. We've only seen a handful of lines of Laura mind dominating the MC for the cliffhanger. There is no evidence that he's a mind-wiped sack of meat, which I honestly really don't think the dev would do in the first place. I think the Dev was planning on loopholes in the commands or certain limitations on the watch. We don't know yet, because the game is not over, and so it's not worth getting 'THIS' upset at right now. If people want to get mad at a game for having a dumb twist, play Bell Master.

I thought the same way, but as the last chapter developed, it became painfully clear that Laura covered all the bases FAR better than the MC ever dreamed of doing. The way it's written, Larua is unbeatable. There is literally no hope the MC will get out of his situation...no doubt, he's programmed to help give Laura the watch back if it ever winds up back in his hands.
I was holding out hope that MC would overcome the Laura crapfest, but the way it's written, there is no believable way that can happen. That is the reason for the uproar IMHO.

 

[juan palote]

Stoip with "the game is not finished" crap.

This is the THIRD consecutive update (Episode 9.5, Epidose 10, and Cruise expansion) that goes in the THE SAME DIRECTION and focused on one single girls dominating you, even when the game has no female domination tag.

And again, THERE ISNT A SINGLE PATH to avoid Laura dominating you, there is no alternative, there is no choice, its shoved in our throats no matter what we decide.

So yeah, there are plenty of reasons to be upset.

Its not a problem of the people complaining, its logical that people complains, the Dev has been absent from the forum since April, the last public Patreon post where he speaks about Episode 11 says nothing about this issue, and the issue has been made worse with each update for 3 updates already.

 

[soxfanforever]

Orannis Sorry, I don't have screenshots. It was in the dev's discord several weeks ago & there's a lot of activity in that thread so it'd be a bear to pull them out.

Gibberish Think whatever you like. But per my conversation, the dev had expressed the story getting away from him & having written himself into a corner, so no, he didn't have an exit planned for MC from the Laura storyline. Several patrons during the conversation provided both a sounding board for ideas as well as their own ideas/pitches for how things could proceed. So he has developed plans now, but that wasn't always the case.

I stand by my position that the Dev Note should be changed because there are currently genre elements/themes that are not accurately represented & that will only serve to continue pissing some users off when they get to the "twist".

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Orannis Sorry, I don't have screenshots. It was in the dev's discord several weeks ago & there's a lot of activity in that thread so it'd be a bear to pull them out.

Gibberish Think whatever you like. But per my conversation, the dev had expressed the story getting away from him & having written himself into a corner, so no, he didn't have an exit planned for MC from the Laura storyline. Several patrons during the conversation provided both a sounding board for ideas as well as their own ideas/pitches for how things could proceed. So he has developed plans now, but that wasn't always the case.

I stand by my position that the Dev Note should be changed because there are currently genre elements/themes that are not accurately represented & that will only serve to continue pissing some users off when they get to the "twist".

Totally a warning would be a good idea. I don't want anyone to feel bad if they don't have to. To me, its a rock to some it seems to be a giant Boulder so a warning wouldn't hurt.