lure_Kin
first i'm sorry to hear that you feel this way. it is not like the modding community are evil and they don't wish to bring out more content that works for everybody, it is more of a perspective kind of thing. i wish modders and creators will get all the success and support, i personally think that a huge good chunk of illusion's success is owed to the modding community, and i am sure that many shares this pov.
I didn't say evil... Perhaps might have seen the entire timeline on my thoughts. Explicitly regarding to even setup a development environment. Any additions that aren't behind a paywall should be welcome right? none of that premium vs free version of said mod.
I mean truth is in any discipline or hobby or profession there are people more focused on a particular aspect then another.
I don't like to use over-generalizations or metaphors / similes too much. I just happen to use them sometimes when I try an explain a concept. So here goes!
Grapes.. People love grapes. The big yellow seedless, or the round ones with thick peels and seeds. They are sweet and a little sour/tart. Some are good for making Raisins. Others good for wine. There are connoisseur of wine.. And those groups where they are rated.
And yes... There MANY Common Types of Wine and they are rated. Personally I like wine that is sweet, good flavor and GETS YA DRUNK.
One amazing thing I have discovered in my years alive is that Western "artifically" flavored grape candy tastes completely different then Japanese candy. The candy actually has a more Moscato aroma and taste to them. Yeah, both are artificial...
i have seen a couple of similar posts regarding this subject, and i can not help but to try get it to a better understanding. let us think of people who play illusion games as three simple groups:
A. super heroes
B. The villains
C. the super evil villains
I mean, we have the
normal people as well;
a.)security guards ("want to make sure no one is breaking stuff" - here is helpful facts),
b.)police ("keep it compatible" - these are the standards, the .zipmod is not done right for everyone to use or "you aren't supposed to mod the core game! Only use side-loader!!!" ),
c.)the fundamentalists ("I only want the base Illusion is the word. Vanillify is not enough."),
d.)the "artists" and sub-classes ("I only static poses." "I only do models." "I only do compositions of people and scenes." "I like maps and rooms." "I like ink, textures and materials", "I like make items".)
e.)the professionals (pay me I'll make you the model, pay me and I'll pose people for what you are looking for, pay me I'll make the room).
f.)petty crooks ("hehehe free models, maps, rooms, items for me to tweak a little and get paid.")
Finally?
g.)the "normies"... people with hand down their pants & want to get to the action and enjoy it... The ones that will buy it on DMM or Steam. Guilt free. (from the AI-girl and HoneySelect series crowd.)
("Where is the 100% save game", "Can some one send me the unlock", "How to I access all positions", "What is this X event?","Where do I get more points?","How do I max out?","Why won't they f in beds", "Can we get one of the girls to switch places with us during oral threesome?","Why can't I place an L-spot on construction island", "How do I get a double dildo item into the main game for the L scenes", "How do I place a L_Spot on construction island" "How do I add items from the Scene studio into the house builder on construction island?","Can we mod the game to include Tier-2 and Tier-3 (the blue and gold) collection points on construction island?"
These last three questions were mine, and yes I've seen others like it should be simple.. No, this is where people from group b. d. and e. were active in not wanting to help. So much so they would not even help in setting up a dev environment! again you can see exactly the things I spoke about in my post history. Granted it's "just one game release the work", "it's just a game bro" but to go so far as to say "No, even if you beg, plead, offer money, we won't even help you.". Personally maybe no one knows how to get things running correctly in Unity. HOWEVER I know for a fact, people DO KNOW now at least in HS2. The new maps available in HS2 are great (starting camera can be off in some scenes then again it could be resolution related since those bugs occur in the main game))
Yes we aren't supposed to talk about it because...
1.) Some purchasers are happy with default and well? Who could you even talk to except "random degens in forums like us.
" there are no smooth transitions and camera tracking between those transitions.
2.) Tastes run a bit more wild sometimes..
One would think Chair Cunnilingus could be linked to 3P with Chair Cunnilingus and Doggy. No toys or fingering with Cunnilingus. No 69 with 2 girls. No doggy with 69 and swallow on pull out. No girl/girl pile driver with toy. No gyno open and fill the girls champagne flute. No spit swap or drip and kiss between them.
I mean people HAVE pulled out the starting poses and animations from the main game and put them Studio Neo, right? That pinned Exhausted Cunnilingus from Playhome is a wonderful pose. Or that Double Toy Piledriver Missionary from Playhome was beautiful as well. (
pretty much the only "nice" thing about that game.)
3.) I would imagine there is no point in re-inventing the wheel. Yet, that is what is common. Sure many of the components require steps and layers and a multitude of other things. But with the amount of API's in Blender and Python support. Understanding how unity3d file objects are put together (and assets from other games that you own). It wouldn't be "easy" but a common saying is if you have to do a process more then 3 to 5 times... You should probably have a script or utility to do it for you.
4.) Physics and Collisions are still lacking. Something that would take a proper full team working together to take time to get right in the current framework. The bones are directly under the skin, there is no play, no springiness, no sponginess, no indentation when the contact points are held, just clipping OR floating..
5.) We have upgrade technology, processor speeds, gpu's, memory, disk access but we are still at the technical advancement of something 10 years ago. Be it game releases... I mean REAL game releases. Some cases going backwards. Warcraft 3 Reforged?!?! And that was Blizzard! even the old Warcraft 3 was better then that piece of shit. Windows 7 64x... A "hefty" full setup and up-to-date 40 GB. What did Windows 10 give us better/new. Fuck all to be honest. The default UI can suck a dick. As an MCSE since NT 4.0 to Windows 7 Enterprise. Windows 10 is so damn horrible to use. (yes, I like CentOS, I was Solaris and RedHat certified. never went full gentoo (never go full gentoo), it's no good for custom built new tech anyways.)
This is a random but very forefront of my brain thing. So, you might not agree and I understand if you don't. There is a problem with "society"/"culture" here in the West. And then we have to get into politics and politics is bad. But I'll just say this.. There are major publications where not only do they talk about "hands down pants" they review toys intended for all female audiences. "Toy makers" make 100s of million in profits yearly. It's a double standard. For those forums they will be QUITE graphic in their experiences and talk about what position they were in, what scenario, how long they did it for, if they used their second hand and where.. Hundreds and thousands of reviews per product. And let us be honest, people are lonely. Finding the mate you want is not easy. And with this lock-down we have accelerated this bubble culture. Everything was a bubble already. It has just gotten worse. Cramped apartment, Cramped car, cramped cubicle, drive-through. People don't eat alone at a sit down restaurant. Club blast music you can't speak to others, Lights are fucked up. Churchs talk about chastity but always ask for more in the collection plate. Half ass sites like "Life-selector" but there is no way to request special scenes created, Use bits/gold/coin/tokens for cam shows/e-girls/thoughts attempt to feel a connection with someone you like. Give likes and follows. It's still a bubble. Consume and Spend more. OR if you do get in a relationship OR have a one night stand. First, did you catch, get or give an STD (burning pee must be bad, if just getting soap in the wrong spot is bad imagine your insides on fire BIG OOF!) Second, did you want it to be exclusive? Maybe something more serious? Maybe like being with that person more then 1 night, 1 week, 1 month? Now what. You might be loyal and honest. But what about them? What if they are abusive. What if you reputation and life is put at risk. What if she is an Amber Heard? Or an Un-retired porn star what are your limits? Or the run of the mill pathological liar "I'm tired because I was fucking someone else but don't worry I'll say it's yours, divorce you, take half of everything you own AND have you pay child support!". A wash-out with 4 kids from previous marriages, that wants you to be the pre-cuck beta male daddy. What if... There is nothing around that arouses you, that is single and healthy, wants you and wants to have your children... It is ALL fucked up.
Anyways everyone starts as a "normie". Why is that bad? I don't consider it that why. Just like a director or actress or idols or people normies who purchase the product. They enjoy it. Fact is
it wouldn't exist if "normies" didn't exist. Illusion (and other companies like Kiss would not exist if it wasn't for "Normies".
Perhaps if it was easy to create animations / poses and the physics were refined I wouldn't have spent so much time Home Building (in AI-Girl) and Model Character Creation (In Honey Select 1, Koikatsu, Playhome, AI-Girl & HS2).
now if you ask me, "do you think HS2 is a good game?", i would probably return the question with "is HS2 even a game?".
Do people who watch cooking shows watch it for the "recipes" or do they watch cooking shows for the savory delicious yummy "Food PORN"?
Food Porn. People like porn.
Are games and movies blurring lines? Yes. NOT FAST ENOUGH
or Good enough.. in my opinion.
i bet modders and plugin creators look at the main game this way as well and that is why not so many of them are interested in investing in it.
..tch... Yeah, this is what group d.) and group e.) actively push. Some times they invest the fund back into the modders that did the work for the lighting and extras. Hence the SIZE of everything at 58~60 versus the core at ~30.
and that was the extra stuff that was just given BACK & Opened up to the community.. and NOT the full extent of the AI and HS2 content that of the ones who fall squarely into e.) and f.) because it is even BIGGER (at least twice or three times as large) and we aren't even counting the ones that do source pulls from the github and repos adding/making their own fixes and using it for themselves.
And it's more the pictures in food magazines or the food presented in commercials, lighting tricks and even ingredients they use are beyond what you get served and can actually eat. I mean they are learning and using techniques used in VFX and the skills are translatable to Unity3D which is great. Again I'm certain there are great people in group d.) and e.) that just don't know Unity3D and strictly use Blender and .NET with dnSpy to work on things and they are used to it so there no point to them except ease of use features for their specific wants.
But ultimately deep down
we are all just human.
Sometimes we are nice & kind to others
... Other times we are mean and vicious,
sometimes we want to make something awesome and beautiful
, sometimes we want to just fuck up something beautiful
. Sometimes we want sweet caresses
, take our time and feel something beautiful
OR we want a quickie
OR we want to it be Hot and Mean.
There are few and I mean really few people who are 100% clinical and emtionless toward the things they do even in IRL. Imagine being a gynocologist. 80% of the time you have to look at a TRAINWRECK. 15% of the time look at something average and do average medical things. 4% of the time look at something really nice. and 1% of the time "OMG I want to eat, lick and fuck that" (if you are a guy).. or "OMG I wish mine looked like that" (If you are a girl
or even a guy these days.) Of course it zaps across your mind but the clinical training pushes those thoughts aside (
if you are decent human being).
I sure as hell would share Animations and Not charge for it. But who would even admit they are learning as well? Maybe someone from your C.) group but I doubt they have time to accept any commissions to "tutorial write up" or "walk through on how to setup a Dev Environment"...
All their commission time is eaten up by the group e.) and d.).. group f.) will attack you simple because you are making easier for everyone and group b.) will freak out that something is "triggering" groups e.), d.) and f.) Makes sense? It's not even a stretch of the imagination... it's simple supply and demand.
post about the studio to begin with, most people here are asking about general stuff about mods or plugins in this thread's, and some ask about the better repack studio content in the other thread.
Yeah, BUT IT Still it should be split out so a basic faq sheet and how-to's can be accessed. Beyond that level most people go to the discord and specifically with all the different sub channels there? Most all channels there field questions about Studio Neo V2 is the most common. or setting up the mods correctly.
Here at f95zone, however the exact same basic questions for Studio Neo are asked in BOTH Honey Select 2 AND AI Shoujo. Studio Neo v2 is almost the exact same in both. Only diff is, one Unity3D '18 Feb build and a Unity '18 Apr build.
unified and easy to handle by all parties in the future.
This is the best thing. This is best way to think and best way to say it.
Just remember for perv like me. Pay-walling different versions of a Mod like Full and Free is what ultimately tore that community apart for SexVilla and Modsgarden. Hook 5 SEEMED like a good idea but it fucked everyone up and the repack efforts. That should have be actively fought against. (The collisions and skin and actions/alignments was pretty much a 7-8/10, we are at a 3 at best in HS2. Liquids did have animations (maybe travel was limited) that didn't kill FPS, AND you could paint the walls of the female purses completely white. You could target aim. IT would stick! Sponge tool to wipe down a part. Another tongue could clean up the insides. It was really good. Just got too complicated with all the changes and lack of tools to identify and troubleshoot what and were things went wrong. If you can grab a copy of TK4chRepackV2.7z it's only 1.7 it's very stripped down.. a 2018 release but last know good thing still standing from Modsgargen.cc it's portable and 1.7Gb! Hell I know we still have a thread here on f95zone.))
Avoiding that "Single point of failure" should be on our minds. I don't need to bring up the HongFire stuff.
If Illusion wants to be smart and successful and make consistent profits? All they need a very small team somewhere less restrictive that works with the community (North America (outside of VEGAS! would be a good idea they do have brothels there, Caribbean? (I know for a fact Japanese Adult Movie Idols go there to do uncensored scenes.) Europe? (Specifically, Amsterdam again. Prostitution is legal will not be able to enter the elite Hotels without previous verification.)
BTW, They DO have clubs like the Honey Select and Honey Select 2. There are even ones with courtyards if you can believe it. But they aren't "Brothels" persay. It's not open to the local public. Out town with good reputation and money? Oh yeah. (it helps if you aren't old, obese and ugly looking) It's a Hotel next to a restaurant & Karaoke club. (No, you can't pick 2. I tried. You pick a number from the line-up that appears, it's up to them to approve/like you back (it's a speed date of 3 or 4 minutes) and you can pick another if it's not clicking (aka never getting a loathsome status effect, Lol). Mandatory Cover charge (that is why 2 plates of french-fries, 4 bottles of Jack Daniels and 16 cokes cost about $400... aka Half. hard-liquor, fast food and karaoke after a few hours, you go back to the room. They can stay the night if you want them to).
No brusing, no hitting, no spit play... Overall it's more about hugs/company and missionary. No open mouth kissing. You can accept and give oral. So, sideways 69 face fucking is nice. Honestly, some you don't want to let go of in the morning but ultimately the Boyfriend/Husband is the MONEY. It is NOT any way to start any kind of relationship PERIOD. It's not cheap.. But it's NOT the damned prices those traveling pornstar/IG models/escorts/prostitutes ask per hour or per night "4k per night"?_? Fuck Off! Unless... Post-nut clarity saves sanity and money!
All the petty bullshit is done. Either you and her feel like it or you and her don't. vs. the hoops you have to go through for a call-back here? For a 2nd or 3rd date? For the "First" kiss? Not to mention she is already seeing anywhere from 2 to 3 other assholes probably getting fucked nightly. Makes you just want to say "Look bitch drop this act, I wanna hug, I want a kiss, I want to fuck and finish inside, Ideally I wanna figure out if you are dependable, worth marriage material and have children with.. AND I want to provide, support and trust you. This isn't a game, true I'm lusting for you but I want to know if I'm love with you."
You say HS isn't a game.. But really? Modern women treat "Real Life Hypergamy" exactly like a game.
Anyways, The reason they exist (and a blind eye is turned) is to encourage foreign business to sign deals with local companies. I will say this, the ones in Indonesia are MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper then the ones in Japan, And MUCH cheaper then Singapore. I don't blame Hunter (he is a spoiled fuck up).. But his dad IS a piece of shit and puppet.
Ultimately, it would be best if they ABSTAIN from the shitty Blizzard way (we own all your maps from now on) or Bethesda way and Prevented in changing their mind (you can release whatever but we will lie about the downloads and numbers and not pay you either way). I'm sure you know what happened to Fusion 360 and the 3D printing community is REALLY angry.
The Japanese release would be the one that has had all the ones and zeros ripped out without just flipping a few bits. AKA not a "Hot Coffee" backdoor like GTA.
The international one (non-censored with great physics) available for purchase from continental adult good suppliers. Throw in a "In perpetuity" license for $12 a year or $4 dollars a month, if you want access to use a browser to view rotate 3D objects, maps, clothing, scenes, personality types, including localized language voice packs (I mean I wouldn't be against a French girl and Russian girl whispering, yelling, moaning at (me, the player) and each other..
), and gear packs, pose packs, positions packs
but that are "Illusion QA approved"... Even if you cancel... Everything you have you keep like GOG.
You don't need to authenticate if you share or use mods from off-site. The $10 a year or $4 bux a month is just for maintaining the server space if you want access to the newest version and use the browser to preview assets to download.
Creators, Authors of V/N can even ask if Illusion would like to purchase/sponsor/promote a refined VN title. 50/50 profit sharing. Only condition would be in selling it would to make sure any assets used from the Unity3d store follow the store standards. Again creators of Items/Objects could make and bundle assets for Unity3d (however toys and the more esoteric stuff might not be that easy, only "Illusion compatible worlds" verified, QA'd & allowed for sale...)
Is what we could do.. Or should do.
Now, Can we just get to be able to make nice animation cycles, transitions and tie in with more intense facial expressions? Full Ahegao with mascara completely smeared with tears, lost in smile and verge of mind break?
Also more of this.
WE DO NEED a SCENE subforum here. So regular convos like this won't get spammed up with the other posts.
But you get it.
At least the AI and Honey Select card sharing thread is thriving nicely, and spammers driven out.
Thanks responding and for letting me talk about it.
Sincerely.
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impatiently waiting for joan to port TIMELINE to HONEY SELECT
2 as well
