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Need insight/help from those who have played this game to latest version or somewhat close.
I started this one couple of days ago and there are already too many choices and maybe branches? I have also read through this thread and its only makes things more confusing.
How much of a branching factor is there in this VN? Like if i choose mother to present me to king in the beginning then seems like cass is set to be an enemy for good just from that...?
And there was mention of Harem in the genres section but with this much branching how is that gonna work? Is there a harem route at all? If yes then how to achieve it?
Choosing between tavern girl or vampire, then choosing one bride, giving ring to one girl.... Even with a walkthrough things just keep getting out of hand.
 

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How much of a branching factor is there in this VN? Like if i choose mother to present me to king in the beginning then seems like cass is set to be an enemy for good just from that...?
From how I understand it, and mind you that I haven't played all paths extensively, there seem to be two major choices.
The first one is Cass and if you agree to the "coup". The second is how you deal with Alaine. I'm not certain if bowing & kissing the ring changes Cass' path, but if you don't bow and don't kiss the ring, you can still refuse Cass' plot.
 
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Need insight/help from those who have played this game to latest version or somewhat close.
I started this one couple of days ago and there are already too many choices and maybe branches? I have also read through this thread and its only makes things more confusing.
How much of a branching factor is there in this VN? Like if i choose mother to present me to king in the beginning then seems like cass is set to be an enemy for good just from that...?
And there was mention of Harem in the genres section but with this much branching how is that gonna work? Is there a harem route at all? If yes then how to achieve it?
Choosing between tavern girl or vampire, then choosing one bride, giving ring to one girl.... Even with a walkthrough things just keep getting out of hand.
About Cass: If you choose her to represent you, you'll gain a reputation point with her. At a certain point in the story, her points will be recalculated, and if you pass the check, you'll receive information about her and one other person. This information is in the guide in OP.
About the harem: It's very difficult to say. It's not yet clear which characters will be in it or how it will be formed. Well, I'm sure it will definitely include Seraphina and Lia, because they wouldn't mind sharing MC with their wife. The rest of the LIs are still unclear.
About the vampire: I can say that she appears on Cass's path and helps resolve one situation peacefully if you are a bookworm.
The ring will likely play a role in the future; for now, it gives extra points to whoever you give it to. For Cass, it simply show you beautiful renders. But that's covered at the end of the chapter, so we'll definitely find out.
 

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From how I understand it, and mind you that I haven't played all paths extensively, there seem to be two major choices.
The first one is Cass and if you agree to the "coup". The second is how you deal with Alaine. I'm not certain if bowing & kissing the ring changes Cass' path, but if you don't bow and don't kiss the ring, you can still refuse Cass' plot.
Thanks. Hopefully coup isn't the only way for MC to become the king.. or is it?
And is mc always going to be a puppet of sort for someone? Like cass or alaine?
No middle ground where he can be somewhat independent and still get all the girls? Or most
 

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Need insight/help from those who have played this game to latest version or somewhat close.
I started this one couple of days ago and there are already too many choices and maybe branches? I have also read through this thread and its only makes things more confusing.
How much of a branching factor is there in this VN? Like if i choose mother to present me to king in the beginning then seems like cass is set to be an enemy for good just from that...?
And there was mention of Harem in the genres section but with this much branching how is that gonna work? Is there a harem route at all? If yes then how to achieve it?
Choosing between tavern girl or vampire, then choosing one bride, giving ring to one girl.... Even with a walkthrough things just keep getting out of hand.
Without revealing too much as to not spoil anything major for you. This game has rather a lot of branching. Some being minor changes in the grand scheme of things. While others being quite great. So for Cass, how much you do what she wishes vs how much you don't. Is one of the most important plot points in the early game. No, she won't just be your "enemy" if you go against her once. She's going to be testing you for a little bit, and if you impress her enough. She'll invite you to a "plot" of hers. And if you haven't, she won't. That's where the BIGGEST plot point will happen, and will determine what path you are on. "White Path" "Green Path or "Red Path".

No Harem yet in the traditional sense, but the MC can fuck pretty much every woman he comes across if he wishes, and have no blowback really as of yet.

Tavern Girl vs Vampire is a whatever minor choice for now.

Which bride you pick is rather important, and I advise you to try a game with both. Just so you can see the differences.

Basically the game requires MULTIPLE playthroughs really. It's not a one and done kinda VN. So just say "fuck it" and go with vibes for your first run. And then try some different stuff on your second. (y)
 

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Thanks. Hopefully coup isn't the only way for MC to become the king.. or is it?
Coup or no coup lead to the same situation with the king being impaired.

And is mc always going to be a puppet of sort for someone? Like cass or alaine?
No middle ground where he can be somewhat independent and still get all the girls? Or most
That's the question... At the start of the game we can be given a prediction, or more like a riddle, about three snakes. One way of looking at it is that we're supposed to free ourselves from the snakes; another is that we need to keep all three snakes around us. It also depends on who you want to align yourself with. Maybe you think elves need to be exterminated, or maybe you think they deserve better. Or perhaps you'd be happy seeing everything end.
We don't really know yet what the result of our choices will be. It's also possible that getting all the girls means the empire is doomed.
 

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About Cass: If you choose her to represent you, you'll gain a reputation point with her. At a certain point in the story, her points will be recalculated, and if you pass the check, you'll receive information about her and one other person. This information is in the guide in OP.
About the harem: It's very difficult to say. It's not yet clear which characters will be in it or how it will be formed. Well, I'm sure it will definitely include Seraphina and Lia, because they wouldn't mind sharing MC with their wife. The rest of the LIs are still unclear.
About the vampire: I can say that she appears on Cass's path and helps resolve one situation peacefully if you are a bookworm.
The ring will likely play a role in the future; for now, it gives extra points to whoever you give it to. For Cass, it simply show you beautiful renders. But that's covered at the end of the chapter, so we'll definitely find out.
Thank you Garudo.
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So i am not really sure where the story is going for me.
 

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So i am not really sure where the story is going for me.
You still have a lot of content ahead of you, so read it however you see fit. There's no right or wrong yet. But here's a little advice: Cassandra really doesn't like it when you break promises.
And is mc always going to be a puppet of sort for someone? Like cass or alaine?
You're controlled as much as you allow yourself to be. I've heard that on the "Green" MC path, there's less choice and decisions are made for you. I want to experience it myself to see for myself. But I'm sure at some point in the story, you'll have more freedom.
 
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Not sure if it's the multi mod or the game itself, but I killed Cass and somehow she's back alive again. At first she showed up at the end of chapter summary after coming back from the rebellion in the west, I figured it was just a small mistake. However, now she's standing alive and well in the courtyard discussing the Lothric statue.
 

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Maybe you think elves need to be exterminated, or maybe you think they deserve better. Or perhaps you'd be happy seeing everything end.
That's me on my main run. :ROFLMAO:

Fuck it, we ball into some...

R A C E W A R

That's the question... At the start of the game we can be given a prediction, or more like a riddle, about three snakes. One way of looking at it is that we're supposed to free ourselves from the snakes; another is that we need to keep all three snakes around us. It also depends on who you want to align yourself with. Maybe you think elves need to be exterminated, or maybe you think they deserve better. Or perhaps you'd be happy seeing everything end.
We don't really know yet what the result of our choices will be. It's also possible that getting all the girls means the empire is doomed.
But yeah, on the run I am doing alongside that one, being a more levelheaded and not genocidal madman. It seems clear to me at least, that if you want the "best" ending. As in the one that will give the most people a happy ever after. I really think you're going to need to not kill any of the optional characters.

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That's me on my main run. :ROFLMAO:

Fuck it, we ball into some...

R A C E W A R



But yeah, on the run I am doing alongside that one, being a more levelheaded and not genocidal madman. It seems clear to me at least, that if you want the "best" ending. As in the one that will give the most people a happy ever after. I really think you're going to need to not kill any of the optional characters.

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GOLDEN ORDER HAS FALLEN...
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Not basing my opinions based on one question but based on her role in full plus I specifically remarked that I don't trust her completely != to killing her.
Seraphina is a whole another can of worms why? Because she proves her loyalty when she offs Alaina if asked and stands by her sentence of preferring her family than her race,
But Alaina did more for Elis than Seraphina herself.
She was even more present in his life than Seraphina.
The fact that the king became sterile after Ophelia's birth was Elis greatest benefit, and that's Alaina's doing.
The fact that the king was poisoned was also Elis benefit—he was able to ascend the throne earlier—and that's again Alaina's doing.

And what did Seraphina do? Nothing.
Yes, I don't argue that Seraphina herself deserves more trust than Alaina, even if Seraphina hid the same information.
But the fact is that Alaina brings Elis more benefit than Seraphina or anyone else.
This benefit outweighs the lack of trust.

The point is, no one invested as much effort and care into Elis success as Alaina. The point is, if, for example, Elis life were in danger, Alaina would be among the first to rush to eliminate the threat; otherwise, her efforts would be pointless.

Alaina is literally a goose that lays golden eggs in the form of benefits.

Now onward to your other point, yes Elis owes Alaina, but also Alaina orchestrated the events such as killing anyone who knew the older regis personally to rendering current regis sterile. Now let me ask you a question, what if Elis does not go the path that Alaina expects? Like idk not favoring the elves on every interaction. She has the means to kill indirectly or rendering you sterile without you knowing.
It was Elis advantage that she killed everyone who knew the real Regis.
It was Elis advantage that she rendered Regis sterile.

Alaina is smart and rational. She won't demand that Elis indulge the Elves at every turn.
Basic rationality is that if Elis gives too much to the Elves, the humans will overthrow him. If you think Alaina doesn't understand this, you think she's an idiot, which she clearly isn't.

I think Alaina's decision to betray Elis will depend on who he gives the Valley to—Lagarius or the Elves.

Yes while it may look that she wants the elves to have a better life, her people have shown otherwise. The examples I have already provided in the previous rant PLUS her reaction when you try to embrace both sides is a face of disappointment compared to embracing the elf side which she shows a smile on her face.
We are also told that those elves in the west who supported the republic by committing atrocities are not all elves.
You're exaggerating Alaina's facial dissatisfaction when you try to embrace both sides. It's not 100% proof.

Like noobpanda said, Konrad could have stolen the throne way earlier compared to now. Why? He is captain of the kingsguard and the true heir was out, Elis fucked off to the tower and cass was busy offing any oracle. The only one standing was seraphina in the capital soo any chance would have been there.
Conrad couldn't have stolen the throne earlier because the king himself was still alive and in power then. And the king obviously wouldn't have allowed Alaina to be searched for evidence.
And now Conrad is betting that foolish young Elis will swallow the nonsense that Conrad is "searching for evidence." And that Elis might grant permission for a search, which the king obviously would never have granted.

Again if you read, I never specified that alaina should get her head bashed in. I mentioned she should not be fully trusted due to what she has done.
I'm not saying that Alaina should be trusted fully either.
I'm saying that Alaina is overly helpful to Elis.

She has the ability to be a kingmaker if you fail, she will prop up conrad or anyone that she thinks she can manipulate. (Please play the green path and look at the present, look at what she was whispering to conrad).
I played, I saw this dialogue in a vision about the present.
But I think you misunderstood it.
She says to Conrad, "Are you capable of ruling? Can you replace Elis?"
Don't you understand what she's doing?
It's simple manipulation. Alaina wants to push him to make a mistake.
She wants to push him to search her and find evidence.
Then Alaina bets that when Elis learns the truth about the past, he will clearly see Conrad as a rival for the throne and kill him.
Yes, she's manipulating Elis in this way too, to gain more freedom at court without Conrad.
But again, there's no harm to Elis here; only benefit in the form of getting rid of a real threat to the throne.

Alaina is the strongest player because she holds the cards.
- Cass was manipulated to revolt in which Alaina says "whoops I might have let something out teehee"
- The Queen is addicted to her drugs (Play the lust Queen route)
Alaina isn't the strongest player.
Simply because she's an elf, who doesn't have much support in a predominantly human state.
Elis only needs to snap a finger and she'll be dead.

And I'll say it again: she's betting on Alice herself.

I'd like to point out that I'm planning to complete the game while maintaining neutrality between elves and humans, embracing both sides.
And I plan to give the valley to the elves.
And if we assume (but we don't know for sure) that Alaina's main motivation is to improve the lives of the elves, then there don't seem to be any problems here. That seems to be the case.

Both characters threaten Elis Rule so its best to keep the status quo and let them exhaust their resources on each other.
But Alaina is deadlier due to what she had to do.
But you have no grounds to claim that Alaina threatens Alice's rule.
Hiding information from him that he can't do anything about isn't proof of her evil intentions.
On the contrary, it was Alaina who did the most for Alice's rule.

The point is, Alaina can prove to the kingdom what she did anyway, but if she does, she and Alice will die, and the elves will be discredited.
And Conrad has a real chance of becoming king.
 
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After doing the coup and not doing it I gotta say I like the coup route more, sure Cass is dangerous but it seems like we're being given the option of stopping her having to much control over us and no one dies Also it feels like there's more sex scenes
 
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After doing the coup and not doing it I gotta say I like the coup route more, sure Cass is dangerous but it seems like we're being given the option of stopping her having to much control over us and no one dies Also it feels like there's more sex scenes
The Coup gives you more overall content (especially with Elin and Queen), but someone always dies - killing Cass to prevent it means no one dies.
 
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Holy shit I just discovered this game (I've played the 1.0 version)

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I tried a somewhat similar pathing with my Bookworm playthrough.

If you're trying to get a harem, you might've went about it wrong though. The pacifist route isn't good for that. It's better to just choose Rebel or Nobles. Catalina is kind of a wasted choice. Just getting to the west nets you Josephine and Valeria. Then regardless of what side you choose, you can claim Valeria as yours if you save her son. Josephine is currently unknown, but assuming you fucked her. Chances are she's Elis regardless of what path you chose. Minus maybe the pacifist since you do poison her husband right in front of her. Playing into Catalina or Elin at the bar will waste your chance of getting Josephine ahead of time though. And while this is just speculation, I imagine Catalina would still be obtainable if you sided with the Nobles at a later date. Since there's a high chance she's still alive.

As for wife choice, Isis is aware that Elis sleeps around and gave him her blessing to have a harem. As in her culture, it's expected and normal for men to have harems and a bunch of bastards. What she doesn't accept is bastards that threaten their children claim to the throne. So Elis fucking all of these noble ladies and getting them pregnant might get him in hot water compared to the more lower class women. Aurora on the other hand, being religious, likely won't be okay with a harem. However, she'll accept it, because she's extremely passive like that.

Going White Path and keeping Cass alive is largely a fine pick. Unless you're really into her like that. Then Green path would be best because White Path seems to be a slow romance kind of deal.
 
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Is anyone having an issue with the I-patch? For me, when the MC refers to his sisters as siblings or something it switches to the Russian word. And the Mom keeps showing up as Queen, does anyone have a fix for this?
 
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