lesnO56

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Not basing my opinions based on one question but based on her role in full plus I specifically remarked that I don't trust her completely != to killing her.
Seraphina is a whole another can of worms why? Because she proves her loyalty when she offs Alaina if asked and stands by her sentence of preferring her family than her race,
But Alaina did more for Elis than Seraphina herself.
She was even more present in his life than Seraphina.
The fact that the king became sterile after Ophelia's birth was Elis greatest benefit, and that's Alaina's doing.
The fact that the king was poisoned was also Elis benefit—he was able to ascend the throne earlier—and that's again Alaina's doing.

And what did Seraphina do? Nothing.
Yes, I don't argue that Seraphina herself deserves more trust than Alaina, even if Seraphina hid the same information.
But the fact is that Alaina brings Elis more benefit than Seraphina or anyone else.
This benefit outweighs the lack of trust.

The point is, no one invested as much effort and care into Elis success as Alaina. The point is, if, for example, Elis life were in danger, Alaina would be among the first to rush to eliminate the threat; otherwise, her efforts would be pointless.

Alaina is literally a goose that lays golden eggs in the form of benefits.

Now onward to your other point, yes Elis owes Alaina, but also Alaina orchestrated the events such as killing anyone who knew the older regis personally to rendering current regis sterile. Now let me ask you a question, what if Elis does not go the path that Alaina expects? Like idk not favoring the elves on every interaction. She has the means to kill indirectly or rendering you sterile without you knowing.
It was Elis advantage that she killed everyone who knew the real Regis.
It was Elis advantage that she rendered Regis sterile.

Alaina is smart and rational. She won't demand that Elis indulge the Elves at every turn.
Basic rationality is that if Elis gives too much to the Elves, the humans will overthrow him. If you think Alaina doesn't understand this, you think she's an idiot, which she clearly isn't.

I think Alaina's decision to betray Elis will depend on who he gives the Valley to—Lagarius or the Elves.

Yes while it may look that she wants the elves to have a better life, her people have shown otherwise. The examples I have already provided in the previous rant PLUS her reaction when you try to embrace both sides is a face of disappointment compared to embracing the elf side which she shows a smile on her face.
We are also told that those elves in the west who supported the republic by committing atrocities are not all elves.
You're exaggerating Alaina's facial dissatisfaction when you try to embrace both sides. It's not 100% proof.

Like noobpanda said, Konrad could have stolen the throne way earlier compared to now. Why? He is captain of the kingsguard and the true heir was out, Elis fucked off to the tower and cass was busy offing any oracle. The only one standing was seraphina in the capital soo any chance would have been there.
Conrad couldn't have stolen the throne earlier because the king himself was still alive and in power then. And the king obviously wouldn't have allowed Alaina to be searched for evidence.
And now Conrad is betting that foolish young Elis will swallow the nonsense that Conrad is "searching for evidence." And that Elis might grant permission for a search, which the king obviously would never have granted.

Again if you read, I never specified that alaina should get her head bashed in. I mentioned she should not be fully trusted due to what she has done.
I'm not saying that Alaina should be trusted fully either.
I'm saying that Alaina is overly helpful to Elis.

She has the ability to be a kingmaker if you fail, she will prop up conrad or anyone that she thinks she can manipulate. (Please play the green path and look at the present, look at what she was whispering to conrad).
I played, I saw this dialogue in a vision about the present.
But I think you misunderstood it.
She says to Conrad, "Are you capable of ruling? Can you replace Elis?"
Don't you understand what she's doing?
It's simple manipulation. Alaina wants to push him to make a mistake.
She wants to push him to search her and find evidence.
Then Alaina bets that when Elis learns the truth about the past, he will clearly see Conrad as a rival for the throne and kill him.
Yes, she's manipulating Elis in this way too, to gain more freedom at court without Conrad.
But again, there's no harm to Elis here; only benefit in the form of getting rid of a real threat to the throne.

Alaina is the strongest player because she holds the cards.
- Cass was manipulated to revolt in which Alaina says "whoops I might have let something out teehee"
- The Queen is addicted to her drugs (Play the lust Queen route)
Alaina isn't the strongest player.
Simply because she's an elf, who doesn't have much support in a predominantly human state.
Elis only needs to snap a finger and she'll be dead.

And I'll say it again: she's betting on Alice herself.

I'd like to point out that I'm planning to complete the game while maintaining neutrality between elves and humans, embracing both sides.
And I plan to give the valley to the elves.
And if we assume (but we don't know for sure) that Alaina's main motivation is to improve the lives of the elves, then there don't seem to be any problems here. That seems to be the case.

Both characters threaten Elis Rule so its best to keep the status quo and let them exhaust their resources on each other.
But Alaina is deadlier due to what she had to do.
But you have no grounds to claim that Alaina threatens Alice's rule.
Hiding information from him that he can't do anything about isn't proof of her evil intentions.
On the contrary, it was Alaina who did the most for Alice's rule.

The point is, Alaina can prove to the kingdom what she did anyway, but if she does, she and Alice will die, and the elves will be discredited.
And Conrad has a real chance of becoming king.
 
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After doing the coup and not doing it I gotta say I like the coup route more, sure Cass is dangerous but it seems like we're being given the option of stopping her having to much control over us and no one dies Also it feels like there's more sex scenes
 
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After doing the coup and not doing it I gotta say I like the coup route more, sure Cass is dangerous but it seems like we're being given the option of stopping her having to much control over us and no one dies Also it feels like there's more sex scenes
The Coup gives you more overall content (especially with Elin and Queen), but someone always dies - killing Cass to prevent it means no one dies.
 
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DrakoGhoul

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Holy shit I just discovered this game (I've played the 1.0 version)

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I tried a somewhat similar pathing with my Bookworm playthrough.

If you're trying to get a harem, you might've went about it wrong though. The pacifist route isn't good for that. It's better to just choose Rebel or Nobles. Catalina is kind of a wasted choice. Just getting to the west nets you Josephine and Valeria. Then regardless of what side you choose, you can claim Valeria as yours if you save her son. Josephine is currently unknown, but assuming you fucked her. Chances are she's Elis regardless of what path you chose. Minus maybe the pacifist since you do poison her husband right in front of her. Playing into Catalina or Elin at the bar will waste your chance of getting Josephine ahead of time though. And while this is just speculation, I imagine Catalina would still be obtainable if you sided with the Nobles at a later date. Since there's a high chance she's still alive.

As for wife choice, Isis is aware that Elis sleeps around and gave him her blessing to have a harem. As in her culture, it's expected and normal for men to have harems and a bunch of bastards. What she doesn't accept is bastards that threaten their children claim to the throne. So Elis fucking all of these noble ladies and getting them pregnant might get him in hot water compared to the more lower class women. Aurora on the other hand, being religious, likely won't be okay with a harem. However, she'll accept it, because she's extremely passive like that.

Going White Path and keeping Cass alive is largely a fine pick. Unless you're really into her like that. Then Green path would be best because White Path seems to be a slow romance kind of deal.
 
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Is anyone having an issue with the I-patch? For me, when the MC refers to his sisters as siblings or something it switches to the Russian word. And the Mom keeps showing up as Queen, does anyone have a fix for this?
 

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Yeah I'm curious about Aurora's cold blood remark too, at first I just thought she was a very demure girl but maybe there's something more to her personality?
I believe they are scripting her as emotionally dead and void of an authentic personality. It would be an interesting twist if it came to be that she was a reanimated corpse wearing a glamor to appear as delicate and fare. It wouldn't be a stretch to pull off either as she so far has been only mirroring the emotions of those around her and is clearly struggling with depressive thoughts. She has everyone in the castle around to talk to but still feels as though she is alone and likely a burden. She mirrors happiness when others show her happiness, worry when others display worry, and sorrow only when others display sorrow. She could easily be a mimic or some form of undead. I still don't see here or Isis as one of the ever persistent snakes though so we get to wait and see what comes of it.
 
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I believe they are scripting her as emotionally dead and void of an authentic personality. It would be an interesting twist if it came to be that she was a reanimated corpse wearing a glamor to appear as delicate and fare. It wouldn't be a stretch to pull off either as she so far has been only mirroring the emotions of those around her and is clearly struggling with depressive thoughts. She has everyone in the castle around to talk to but still feels as though she is alone and likely a burden. She mirrors happiness when others show her happiness, worry when others display worry, and sorrow only when others display sorrow. She could easily be a mimic or some form of undead. I still don't see here or Isis as one of the ever persistent snakes though so we get to wait and see what comes of it.
I don't think she undead only because of her fear of death and age in the white blood visions
 

lesnO56

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After doing the coup and not doing it I gotta say I like the coup route more, sure Cass is dangerous but it seems like we're being given the option of stopping her having to much control over us and no one dies Also it feels like there's more sex scenes
That's right. I'm torn between the white route and the green one. In the green one, Cass is very entertaining, not just the porn scenes, but also her dialogue. She's right, no one talks to Elis like she does, and no one tells as much truth.
The only thing that's concerning is her growing insolence and influence. She even dared to kick Elis in the balls, and those, let me remind you, are the Emperor's balls.

In the white route, the downside is Cass's emasculated character. She becomes more submissive, her sarcasm disappears, making her boring. Her insolence, while infuriating in green route, is entertaining, and absent in the white route.

I just hope that in the green route, the Author gives us the opportunity to show her who's boss in the palace.
 

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Wait wait wait, the two little girls stabbing each other are MC's kids from seraphina?

How the fuck did I not notice that??? It's so obvious with the hair.
You can look into the post said by DrakoGhoul in previous pages of this thread, he had tested it himself by not having this scene if you are not in relationship with the queen.
 
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I wonder if there will be any early endings...? Like leaving behind the Empire, escape with any of the LIs. Though except Elin and Aurora -maybe Queen too- I don't think any of them would agree to it.
 
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I tried a somewhat similar pathing with my Bookworm playthrough.

If you're trying to get a harem, you might've went about it wrong though. The pacifist route isn't good for that. It's better to just choose Rebel or Nobles. Catalina is kind of a wasted choice. Just getting to the west nets you Josephine and Valeria. Then regardless of what side you choose, you can claim Valeria as yours if you save her son. Josephine is currently unknown, but assuming you fucked her. Chances are she's Elis regardless of what path you chose. Minus maybe the pacifist since you do poison her husband right in front of her. Playing into Catalina or Elin at the bar will waste your chance of getting Josephine ahead of time though. And while this is just speculation, I imagine Catalina would still be obtainable if you sided with the Nobles at a later date. Since there's a high chance she's still alive.

As for wife choice, Isis is aware that Elis sleeps around and gave him her blessing to have a harem. As in her culture, it's expected and normal for men to have harems and a bunch of bastards. What she doesn't accept is bastards that threaten their children claim to the throne. So Elis fucking all of these noble ladies and getting them pregnant might get him in hot water compared to the more lower class women. Aurora on the other hand, being religious, likely won't be okay with a harem. However, she'll accept it, because she's extremely passive like that.

Going White Path and keeping Cass alive is largely a fine pick. Unless you're really into her like that. Then Green path would be best because White Path seems to be a slow romance kind of deal.
I'm unsure about Valeria being unobtainable know because her sons fate on the pacifist side is unknown.
Icl I was just trying to romance Catalina because I thought she had scenes on that update but she didn't.
Hopefully I didn't screw myself over by going pacifist route.
 

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I'm unsure about Valeria being unobtainable know because her sons fate on the pacifist side is unknown.
Icl I was just trying to romance Catalina because I thought she had scenes on that update but she didn't.
Hopefully I didn't screw myself over by going pacifist route.
So the Pacifist Route is basically chop off the head of leadership which is Henry and Cassius. You have to sacrifice Catalina in order to get Valeria Scene and loyalty from Valerian.

Otherwise I suggest you do the Lords route as you can save Valerian and then Catalina's fate being unknown.
 
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