VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.11] [Lazy Monkey]

[storm1051787]

have tried it yes, a couple of times or so. And I personally just don't see why I would ever pick her over Aurora now,

Because she's both less attractive and less interesting like I've said.

You even admit that the only reason she wouldn't act against the MC, at least right now. I

If that's how you want to interpret I guess. She does say she loves the MC on her route and even recently on 1.0 she seems to appreciate the mc showing concern for their child. I mentioned that as the obvious reason she wouldn't act against Elis since you said she's going to try to murder him in his sleep. Any harm to him is obviously counter to her interests.

Say a hypothetical scenario happens, of Conrad trying to take the throne. I could see her being swayed to side with him, if she thinks it's a done deal for him and she get's something good out of it.

Frankly I'd say the opposite is more likely and she's more likely to assasinate Conrad to secure Elis's claim just like how she kills Cass. She also mentions that she wants their child to be heir to the south as well. Perosnality wise she seems more the type to Murder Elis's rivals, not switch sides at the first opportunity

I find her to be more attractive in general, and less of a giant pain in the ass. And I disagree fully about the "plain jane" thing. She's pretty fucking beautiful IMO. She's got that icy pale skin, blonde look, down to the tee.

I don't find her attactive, and I don't really find pale skin or blonde hair to be super attractive either. I don't dislike it it or mind it in anyway but it's not like I'm going "wow omg she so pale". Actually I take that back. I don't mind blonde hair at all, I actually do dislike ghostly pale women in terms of apperance

hereas Aurora, is just a sweet honourable woman who will try her best to be a good loyal wife and mother.

Aurora is litearlly scared of Elis. She's trying to do whatever doesn't get her killed.

What else could you want from a partner honestly.

Someone with an actual personality, which aurora has none of.
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[GibboBtw]

If that's how you want to interpret I guess. She does say she loves the MC on her route and even recently on 1.0 she seems to appreciate the mc showing concern for their child. I mentioned that as the obvious reason she wouldn't act against Elis since you said she's going to try to murder him in his sleep. Any harm to him is obviously counter to her interests.

Frankly I'd say the opposite is more likely and she's more likely to assasinate Conrad to secure Elis's claim just like how she kills Cass. She also mentions that she wants their child to be heir to the south as well. Perosnality wise she seems more the type to Murder Elis's rivals, not switch sides at the first opportunity

I didn't say she would swap or act against the MC at the first opportunity. I said she would swap if the tides were against the MC enough. And she could get a better deal on the other side. She's just not loyal, IMO.

Aurora is litearlly scared of Elis. She's trying to do whatever doesn't get her killed.

Is she now?? I must have missed that in my 4 or so playthroughs where I chose her...

Probably because I never picked the "fear" options with her. Y'know? And just picked "love" instead, so she's actually never afraid of the MC at all, just a little awkward and shy. And then rather quickly, comes to admire and love him.

Someone with an actual personality, which aurora has none of.

I think you need to google the word "personality" my brother. Because she clearly shows quite a few personality traits. If you just get to know her. She's quite clearly kind, caring, bookish, dutiful, sweet, has a bit of a temper, is loyal to a fault, devoted, and modest just to name some.

Just because she's shy, and not the most assertive, ambitious or outwardly spoken like Isis is. Really does not mean she doesn't have a personality dude. That's weak.

 

[Bombmaster]

GibboBtw
Disagree about Isis, She is loyal to her ambition, Ditching Elis is not conduit for her goals...
In her path she already says that bastards are going to be disposed.
After her kids are adults maybe, as the Lineage is already secured, even then in the Vision the kids are loyal to Elis.

She is just ruthless.

 

[GibboBtw]

GibboBtw
Disagree about Isis, She is loyal to her ambition, Ditching Elis is not conduit for her goals...
In her path she already says that bastards are going to be disposed.
After her kids are adults maybe, as the Lineage is already secured, even then in the Vision the kids are loyal to Elis.

She is just ruthless.

Yeah, that's my EXACT point. "loyal to her ambition" not to her husband. And "will dispose of any bastards etc etc." I would rather just take the wife. Who's going to be normal, kind, caring and loyal, without any fucking extra bullshit drama or "intriguing" on top of that.

It's obviously all subjective on whom everyone is going to prefer. I just see no reason to go with her personally. I go back again to the choice I gave earlier.

If you could have a "Catelyn Tully" or a "Cersei Lannister/Arianne Martel" type of wife. It's fucking Catelyn all the way for me.

 

[Bombmaster]

Yeah, that's my EXACT point. "loyal to her ambition" not to her husband. And "will dispose of any bastards etc etc." I would rather just take the wife. Who's going to be normal, kind, caring and loyal, without any fucking extra bullshit drama or "intriguing" on top of that.

It's obviously all subjective on whom everyone is going to prefer. I just see no reason to go with her personally. I go back again to the choice I gave earlier.

If you could have a "Catelyn Tully" or a "Cersei Lannister/Arianne Martel" type of wife. It's fucking Catelyn all the way for me.

You play white coronation, so ofc Aurora feels sweeter, And the ones who want to be the red emperor would pick Isis.

She is Cass without the bullshit, so Isis is goated.

 

[With The]

Aurora love path is the best path for her, imo i'm still not sure about Isis. If she is loyal to us then that is really good ally and wife but if she got her own plan then nope she is not good wife to me. For now i still think she is just like Alaina, very sus and untrustable character.

 

[storm1051787]

I didn't say she would swap or act against the MC at the first opportunity. I said she would swap if the tides were against the MC enough. And she could get a better deal on the other side. She's just not loyal, IMO.

And I say no, she's more likely to kill conrad in that situation as that's exactly what she does to Cass when Elis refuses her coup.

just a little awkward and shy.

Which is one of the reasons why I don't care for her. I don't care for shygirls or girls to akward to try to speak their mind. That's not really a personality, that's just being to scared or nervous to express yourself.

I think you need to google the word "personality" my brother. Because she clearly shows quite a few personality traits. If you just get to know her. She's quite clearly kind, caring, bookish, dutiful, sweet, has a bit of a temper, is loyal to a fault, devoted, and modest just to name some.

She literally just stands there and bends over at the slightest pressure from Elis.

Yeah, that's my EXACT point. "loyal to her ambition" not to her husband. And "will dispose of any bastards etc etc." I would rather just take the wife. Who's going to be normal, kind, caring and loyal, without any fucking extra bullshit drama or "intriguing" on top of that.

I don't really see why being loyal to her husband and being ambitious are somehow multially exclusive. It just seems more like you're deciding that she can't be loyal because she has an adenda rather than any actually evidence against her loyalty. And do you really think Aurora is going to be ok with bastards either? Aurora wouldn't kill them because I don't think shes capable of killing anything but she obviously wouldn't approve either, just likely she wouldn't approve of Elis having a harem while Isis has no problems with that so long as she's more important than the other women. So far Isis seems like she's not only loyal to the mc but also wants to take a more active role in securing Elis's position.

 

[GibboBtw]

You play white coronation, so ofc Aurora feels sweeter, And the ones who want to be the red emperor would pick Isis.

She is Cass without the bullshit, so Isis is goated.

Wait, does Aurora feel different on the other paths? She felt pretty much the same to me on my green coronation as well. But it's been a while since I did that one, so maybe I'm missing something?

Hey now, don't be chatting shit about Cass, and comparing her to that snake okay...

She's a true sweetie at heart and has been through a lot of bullshit in her life. WE'RE gonna fix her.

Aurora love path is the best path for her, imo i'm still not sure about Isis. If she is loyal to us then that is really good ally and wife but if she got her own plan then nope she is not good wife to me. For now i still think she is just like Alaina, very sus and untrustable character.

Ayyyyy, spot on! Finally somebody who gets it

Kill the elves...

 

[Bombmaster]

Wait, does Aurora feel different on the other paths? She felt pretty much the same to me on my green coronation as well. But it's been a while since I did that one, so maybe I'm missing something?

Hey now, don't be chatting shit about Cass, and comparing her to that snake okay...

She's a true sweetie at heart and has been through a lot of bullshit in her life. WE'RE gonna fix her.



Ayyyyy, spot on! Finally somebody who gets it

Kill the elves...

Isis is for the fuck everything, kill everyone, destroy the elves and so on.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

My Eris path is with Aurora, because she would forgive me, Isis would try to kill the kid and Eris too.

 

[With The]

Isis is for the fuck everything, kill everyone, destroy the elves and so on.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

I like the idea of having a partner in crime like Isis. However, the question I always ask is, can she be trusted?
I know the mc isn't a particularly good person, but in this story and situation, what he needs most right now is a trustworthy companion and so far, he still doesn't have one.
That's why my choice is to avoid potential future problems she might cause. I really hope she isn't that kind of untrustworthy person. I like her as a character, but i still don't trust her just like with Alaina.

 

[storm1051787]

I like the idea of having a partner in crime like Isis. However, the question I always ask is, can she be trusted?
I know the mc isn't a particularly good person, but in this story and situation, what he needs most right now is a trustworthy companion and so far, he still doesn't have one.
That's why my choice is to avoid potential future problems she might cause. I really hope she isn't that kind of untrustworthy person. I like her as a character, but i still don't trust her just like with Alaina.

Frankly I can't really see why she wouldn't be trusted. If she wants power and ambition than staying loyal to Elis is actually the best thing for her, even when Cass tries to ally with her she kills her but also leaves Cass alone if Elis tells her too.

 

[GibboBtw]

And I say no, she's more likely to kill conrad in that situation as that's exactly what she does to Cass when Elis refuses her coup.

Agree to disagree then I think my brother. I would never fully trust her 100% as she's quite clearly a schemer and a plotter.

Which is one of the reasons why I don't care for her. I don't care for shygirls or girls to akward to try to speak their mind. That's not really a personality, that's just being to scared or nervous to express yourself.

She literally just stands there and bends over at the slightest pressure from Elis.

We're just have to agree to disagree here then as well. But also again, BEING SHY DOES NOT = HAVING NO PERSONALITY. I even gave you examples of personality traits she has.

And your response was "She literally just stands there and bends over at the slightest pressure from Elis."

I mean...being submissive. Is ALSO known as a personality trait btw, so...

Idk what your point is ngl.

I don't really see why being loyal to her husband and being ambitious are somehow multially exclusive. It just seems more like you're deciding that she can't be loyal because she has an adenda rather than any actually evidence against her disloyalty. And do you really think Aurora is going to be ok with bastards either? Aurora wouldn't kill them because I don't think shes capable of killing anything but she obviously wouldn't approve either, just likely she wouldn't approve of Elis having a harem while Isis has no problems with that so long as she's more important than the other women. So far Isis seems like she's not only loyal to the mc but also wants to take a more active role in securing Elis's position.

Because when you're a King/Emperor, I can imagine wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust 100%. And I would rather just give Elis a wife that he won't have to ever wonder if he can trust or not, like with Isis. Overly ambitious people are not very trustworthy in general IMO. As they tend to be rather selfish, ruthless and just overall a giant pain in the ass. (Look at CK2 or CK3 when you have Vassals with the Ambitious trait, if you want to see an example of what I mean)

For the bastards. I personally think she would handle it exactly like the woman I keep comparing her to, in Catelyn Stark. She would be a bit miffed, slightly annoyed maybe? But as she's rather religious, submissive and loyal. I think she would just suck it up and move on. Unlike the other one in Isis. who'd be trying to fucking turn the countryside into a bloodbath to make sure she got every last bastard like she was playing pokemon. Also like a certain Cersei Lannister did as soon as Robert died.

I think overall though. We're never going to agree on these two dude. So I'll just stick with my lovely pale bae.

And you can keep the one who might kill you in your sleep, as soon as she's had the MCs child. And decided you're not needed for her new plans.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

Yes. I would...

I can understand picking Isis in some kinda "fuck it we live on the edge" kinda game for sure. But I ain't ever picking her on anything else...NOT TRUSTWORTHY IMO.

 

[With The]

Frankly I can't really see why she wouldn't be trusted. If she wants power and ambition than staying loyal to Elis is actually the best thing for her, even when Cass tries to ally with her she kills her but also leaves Cass alone if Elis tells her too.

If her true motives are power and ambition, the next logical step for her would be to kill mc or maybe trying to. That's precisely why i said she remains an untrustworthy character for now.

 

[Bombmaster]

I like the idea of having a partner in crime like Isis. However, the question I always ask is, can she be trusted?
I know the mc isn't a particularly good person, but in this story and situation, what he needs most right now is a trustworthy companion and so far, he still doesn't have one.
That's why my choice is to avoid potential future problems she might cause. I really hope she isn't that kind of untrustworthy person. I like her as a character, but i still don't trust her just like with Alaina.

But bro, her best interest is keeping Elis strong and alive, Why would she betray him?

On her path she lost ther virginity and is expecting a child, there is no better route than Elis.
Every option is worse than stick with him.

 

[With The]

But bro, her best interest is keeping Elis strong and alive, Why would she betray him?

On her path she lost ther virginity and is expecting a child, there is no better route than Elis.
Every option is worse than stick with him.

I really hope she is truly loyal and doesn't have a hidden agenda. But for now, like I said, she is still an untrustworthy character to me.

 

[GibboBtw]

But bro, her best interest is keeping Elis strong and alive, Why would she betray him?

On her path she lost ther virginity and is expecting a child, there is no better route than Elis.
Every option is worse than stick with him.

Yeah, but that's it AGAIN bro. It's all about "her own interests" It just so happens they align with the MCs FOR NOW...But say if shit starts going sideways eventually, or some serious bullshit happens. Which one of the two, is more likely to bail or flip on the MC, honestly.

is it Isis or Aurora?

 

[Bombmaster]

Yeah, but that's it AGAIN bro. It's all about "her own interests" It just so happens they align with the MCs FOR NOW...But say if shit starts going sideways eventually, or some serious bullshit happens. Which one of the two, is more likely to bail or flip on the MC, honestly.

is it Isis or Aurora?

honestly.

Isis will act in subterfuge to align with her desire, Aurora will hold your hand as the castle burn.

Aurora stark esque, Would prefer dying with honour than having blood on her hands to prevail.
I have no problem having Isis with motivations and cunning, She wants power and lineage and Elis is her best bet.

 

[Gicoo]

Isis and Aurora are too different to properly compare them. Isis vs Cass or Aurora vs Elin could be tougher, since those have similarities to compare to.

If you want an ambitious risky partner, you pick Isis. If you want a safe partner you don't have to stress about, you chose Aurora.

 

[storm1051787]

If her true motives are power and ambition, the next logical step for her would be to kill mc or maybe trying to. That's precisely why i said she remains an untrustworthy character for now.

She can't inherit the throne in anyway so killing her would be the worse possible move. And even if she manages to plot her son on the throne there is no evidence she'd more influence over him than Elis.

Agree to disagree then I think my brother. I would never fully trust her 100% as she's quite clearly a schemer and a plotter.

Which is clearly the actual problem here. The only reason why you are saying she's disloyal is just because she actually has her own ambitions instead of just being a completely passive character like Aurora. That doesn't mean she's disloyal though you basically just decided the fact that she can think for her self automatically makes her untrust worthy. Aurora is a completely passive character. She has no real goals are motivation, she's essentially just there to look pretty and give Elis an official heir. that's one of the reason why I said her scenes seem rapey because as it really just seems like she's a pushover who just agrees if Elis is forceful enough even if she's not really interested.

As they tend to be rather selfish, ruthless and just overall a giant pain in the ass. (Look at CK2 or CK3 when you have Vassals with the Ambitious trait, if you want to see an example of what I mean)

Crusader kings is a terrible example, nobody acts like real people in the game and the computer isn't really complex enough to give the characters too many objectives. No npc in crusader kings acts like a real person, the ai is actually really really dumb. I also disagree that ambitionous people are automatically selfish and untrust worthy. I actually think that's a really weird thing to argue.

Unlike the other one in Isis. who'd be trying to fucking turn the countryside into a bloodbath to make sure she got every last bastard like she was playing pokemon

She said she would only get rid of bastards that try to present a claim, there's no reason for her to search every peasant village for potential bastard.

I can understand picking Isis in some kinda "fuck it we live on the edge" kinda game for sure. But I ain't ever picking her on anything else...NOT TRUSTWORTHY IMO.

It really just sounds more like you have trust issues tbh. You prefer submissive women because you don't trust people easily. You're imagine in your head of these characters is far far worse than anything they've demonstrated. Like I said even if Isis didn't care about Elis harming Elis for any reason is literally counter to her goals. But she says herself that she loves Elis and there is no real reason to doubt her on that

We're just have to agree to disagree here then as well. But also again, BEING SHY DOES NOT = HAVING NO PERSONALITY. I even gave you examples of personality traits she has.

Shy is not a personality shy is just being to afraid to express yourself. People who are shy are only shy because of poor social skills.

And you can keep the one who might kill you in your sleep, as soon as she's had the MCs child.

We already know from the future scenes that she's clearly not going to kill Elis so I don't even understand why that's a question here. My problem here is you clearly aren't actually basing anything off evidence. You're basically just deciding anyone who actually thinks can't be trusted

 

[Alan Dalles]

Isis is for the fuck everything, kill everyone, destroy the elves and so on.

Would you play as Scum and choose Aurora? is not fair for someone who gives her trust so easily. So Isis comes in clutch for the players that are evil and want a partner in crime not a safe haven.

My Eris path is with Aurora, because she would forgive me, Isis would try to kill the kid and Eris too.

Just my case. In first playthrough my MC was a pragmatic-evil intriguer, which wanted to gain power (Green path). "Altruistic" choices (Blood for Sona, Val and Valerian's rescue) were commitied to gain allies, owed to me personally. Isis's skills could be useful, but her loyalty hasn't basis (only political marriage without love). Aurora (besides submissive and loyal nature) has political advantage: her father (King Dubovitsky) hasn't alive sons (Isis has three brothers) and after his death Golden Empire can (relatively easy) annex the North via support on election his grandson=our son (historic reference - entitlement of France before the War of Spanish succession). And Aurora's family (on her words) has a similar role model: father is "ideal" king, who "keep his hands in the dirt and blood", mother takes care of the family and teaches her daughters.