Xenor2

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Cass wouldn't get the throne. It would go to Conrad as the brother of the King. Males succeed over females in most cases. And seeing as Cass was the only child of Regis. If the truth were revealed. She can't get on the throne without killing Conrad. Since he's the only remaining eligible Male in the immediate family. But if he isn't the only male relative living, it would likely move to them. Maybe even get Cass to marry them. Basically, Cass chances depends on how many males are left in the family.
and then it doesnt make much sense why alaina killed all of these people familiar with regis but not conrad and cass
 
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Quetzzz

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and then it doesnt make much sense why alaina killed all of these people familiar with regis but not conrad and cass
Cass was too young, if I understand the sequence of events. I don't remember if Conrad was mentioned as being okay with the situation. He seems like a guy who'd want the best for the country.
 

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Conrad is loyal to the throne, while Alaina is loyal to the elves. So it's natural to want to remove Alaina. Because she will only support MC as long as he is on the side of the elves, otherwise she will become his enemy.
 
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Conrad is loyal to the throne, while Alaina is loyal to the elves. So it's natural to want to remove Alaina. Because she will only support MC as long as he is on the side of the elves, otherwise she will become his enemy.
Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. For now, I decided to keep the status quo. Conrad is spying on her for me anyway.
 
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and then it doesnt make much sense why alaina killed all of these people familiar with regis but not conrad and cass
Why would she need to kill Cass or Conrad herself? Neither of them know the truth. Conrad was still a child or even younger when this happened. Something that often gets overlooked. Cass was likely a newborn baby or still within her mother's womb. As far as Alaina was probably concerned. Neither of them are an issue unless her plan fails.

Not to mention, "Regis" or the faction supporting him likely told her not to do it. Since it's unnecessary to kill his niece or his younger brother. At least from their perspective. And since Alaina is getting what she wanted anyway. That being a half elf on the throne. Why rock the boat further? Especially when you can manipulate one of them later on as your puppet. That being Cass.
 
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Conrad is loyal to the throne, while Alaina is loyal to the elves. So it's natural to want to remove Alaina. Because she will only support MC as long as he is on the side of the elves, otherwise she will become his enemy.
I think they're supposed to represent each half of Elis. Where if you are more humanity first, Conrad will love you and Alaina will fear/hate you. And if you support Elvenkind too much then the flip would happen. I imagine if you keep them both alive, then you'll need to go for the ol balanced playthrough and try to win them both over. Or otherwise they will end up fucking Elis over in some way.
 

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Cass wouldn't get the throne. It would go to Conrad as the brother of the King. Males succeed over females in most cases. And seeing as Cass was the only child of Regis. If the truth were revealed. She can't get on the throne without killing Conrad. Since he's the only remaining eligible Male in the immediate family. But if he isn't the only male relative living, it would likely move to them. Maybe even get Cass to marry them. Basically, Cass chances depends on how many males are left in the family.
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I'm pretty sure Alaina mentions it at some point. The subject being that if anything happened to Elis, Conrad would be next in line. That is, unless Elis didn't have a male heir himself. It wouldn't go to Cass. And even if the secret about her being Regis only child came out. It would still go to Conrad. Just like it would if Elis died before having children.

Cass would realistically only get it if Conrad died at that point.
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I like all incest, I just don't want to do it with the daughter in the game LOL
I wouldn't put it past LM to have Zlata trying to butter you up after Aurora goes, um, cold.
I think she's even wearing the same gown Aurora wore during the ball? At least the cloak for sure.
And it seems it has some meaning I'm just not entirely certain which yet.
 

lesnO56

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Conrad is loyal to the throne, while Alaina is loyal to the elves. So it's natural to want to remove Alaina. Because she will only support MC as long as he is on the side of the elves, otherwise she will become his enemy.
No, we can't say that "Conrad is loyal to the throne."
We have literally no basis for that.
We can't get inside his head and find out everything.

What makes you think he's not interested in the throne itself?
Again, if he finds proof of the real Regis's death, what basis do we have to say he won't use it to take the throne himself?
Here's an even more pressing question: what benefit does Elise gain from anyone finding this evidence?
It's rationally stupid to allow Conrad to have this information.

Yes, Alaina is loyal to Eliыe because he's a half-elf, and she has a vested interest in Elise using his power to benefit the elves.
But...
Alaina killed and manipulated countless people so that Alice would be the sole heir and take the throne.
What did Conrad do to put Elise on the throne? Nothing.
What is Conrad doing to keep Elise on the throne? Collecting evidence of his illegitimacy?

Are you really considering whose skull to smash with a goblet, choosing between the one who gave you everything and the one who's collecting evidence against you?
Are you sure you're thinking logically?
 

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No, we can't say that "Conrad is loyal to the throne."
We have literally no basis for that.
We can't get inside his head and find out everything.

What makes you think he's not interested in the throne itself?
Again, if he finds proof of the real Regis's death, what basis do we have to say he won't use it to take the throne himself?
Here's an even more pressing question: what benefit does Elise gain from anyone finding this evidence?
It's rationally stupid to allow Conrad to have this information.

Yes, Alaina is loyal to Eliыe because he's a half-elf, and she has a vested interest in Elise using his power to benefit the elves.
But...
Alaina killed and manipulated countless people so that Alice would be the sole heir and take the throne.
What did Conrad do to put Elise on the throne? Nothing.
What is Conrad doing to keep Elise on the throne? Collecting evidence of his illegitimacy?

Are you really considering whose skull to smash with a goblet, choosing between the one who gave you everything and the one who's collecting evidence against you?
Are you sure you're thinking logically?
Elis is the legimate heir even if Conrad will find out Alaina's schemes. Are you sure you can trust Alaina to keep you on the throne once you tell her you want nothing to do with the elves, if so you wish?
 

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No, we can't say that "Conrad is loyal to the throne."
We have literally no basis for that.
We can't get inside his head and find out everything.

What makes you think he's not interested in the throne itself?
That's really not a good way to approach stories btw.

Because when a story wants to feel believable it has to adhere to the problem that very few people can stand the extra energy needed to act in a way that is inconsistent with their internal state, all except the most manipulative and Machiavellian people.

The second is that you are basically saying you can look into LM's mind and predict the story better than what is written in text or subtext by way of extrapolation. Which is just hogwash.

So your argument boils down to Conrad's characterization up until now being a red herring for the sake of a twist that has no evidence beyond extrapolation. But such an argument is fundamentally a positivistic one and just because it's a logical chain doesn't mean that it's real, because all logic relies on axioms that you have to just accept as real.

And if you think you got a better read on Conrad than everyone else, that's your prerogative to think, I guess.
 
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I wouldn't put it past LM to have Zlata trying to butter you up after Aurora goes, um, cold.
I think she's even wearing the same gown Aurora wore during the ball? At least the cloak for sure.
And it seems it has some meaning I'm just not entirely certain which yet.
I hope not, I think dad daughter stuff is gross
 
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