VN Ren'Py Inanna Revenge [Ep. 1] [AtemX Games]

[Edhinor]

I tend to agree. This was more information than i needed to know. So basicly she was whoring her self out for money. IDK if i want a whore in my Harem.

Well, I, for one, do. I really like Carmen, and do not care if she was a whore. It is a different world, with different morals. Obviously Innana, their goddess, approves of her behaviour.

If you do not want her, fine, skip her, but I hope AtemX doesn't change her because of that. In his previous game you could turn several of your LIs into whores, and I really liked that. There are hardly no games where you can do that, and a lot of Vanilla Harem games where all LIs are virgins (too many).

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I tend to agree. This was more information than i needed to know. So basicly she was whoring her self out for money. IDK if i want a whore in my Harem.

I know for a fact that I don't want her in the harem.

Well, I, for one, do. I really like Carmen, and do not care if she was a whore. It is a different world, with different morals. Obviously Innana, their goddess, approves of her behaviour.

I thought she was an interesting LI until she said she was a prostitute. After that point I wasn't interested in her at all.

If you do not want her, fine, skip her, but I hope AtemX doesn't change her because of that.

Don't worry, I've already reached the point where you have to decide whether the MC is in a relationship with her or not and I chose no. As for the rest, I'm not going to ask the Dev to change her past, but I do hope that we can continue saying no to all the LIs who are or have been prostitutes (and also to all the sluts).

In his previous game you could turn several of your LIs into whores, and I really liked that. There are hardly no games where you can do that, and a lot of Vanilla Harem games where all LIs are virgins (too many).

I have never gotten around to trying the Dev's first game.

 

[Edhinor]

I know for a fact that I don't want her in the harem.

I thought she was an interesting LI until she said she was a prostitute. After that point I wasn't interested in her at all.

Don't worry, I've already reached the point where you have to decide whether the MC is in a relationship with her or not and I chose no. As for the rest, I'm not going to ask the Dev to change her past, but I do hope that we can continue saying no to all the LIs who are or have been prostitutes (and also to all the sluts).

I have never gotten around to trying the Dev's first game.

We all have our preferences. Good that you do not want to change her past.

If we go by what AtemX did on his previous game, you can chose who you engage with and, much like in this game as well, what they do once they are in your harem. You do not like an LI? you can skip her (I think the only ones you can't skip are the main ones that the story is around, Emilie in AlwaysFan and Sylvia in this one), but you have a choice on what they do and with whom (in AlwaysFan you could have an harem where the girls were only with you or you could share them or prostitute them).

I do not speak for the dev, but I certainly hope that he keeps the same approach, and everything so far indicates he is planning on doing so. I trust him.

 

[MrDude1977]

We all have our preferences. Good that you do not want to change her past.

If we go by what AtemX did on his previous game, you can chose who you engage with and, much like in this game as well, what they do once they are in your harem. You do not like an LI? you can skip her (I think the only ones you can't skip are the main ones that the story is around, Emilie in AlwaysFan and Sylvia in this one), but you have a choice on what they do and with whom (in AlwaysFan you could have an harem where the girls were only with you or you could share them or prostitute them).

I do not speak for the dev, but I certainly hope that he keeps the same approach, and everything so far indicates he is planning on doing so. I trust him.

All i'm saying is her being a whore in the past was more info than we needed to know. She's a good character other than that bit of info about her past. And her being a whore in the past is going to turn a lot of people off of her. Sure there is a few ppl like you that doesn't care. IMO the ppl that do the NTS route is the ones that doesn't care about her past and the ones that do the vanilla route will care. I think that info dump she gave us should only be on the NTS route that would open her up perfect for that route. Most ppl that do the Vanilla route only want Vanilla. We don't want a Li that has been with every guy in the Village, save that type of info for the Non Vanilla routes. I think the worse he had in his last game was the Milf that wanted a baby. She did a porn video or something like that.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

IMO the ppl that do the NTS route is the ones that doesn't care about her past and the ones that do the vanilla route will care.

I'm on the vanilla route and I don't care. Only dudes who care about a woman's sex life before she met them are dude's who didn't have a sex life before she met them. Why would I look down on a woman for having done the exact same things that I did when we were both younger. It'd be pure hypocrisy.

I think the worse he had in his last game was the Milf that wanted a baby. She did a porn video or something like that.

Lea was literally a whore up until she met the MC. Technically she was still a whore after, she just started calling in sick until Biggerman got taken down.
Cassandra's boyfriend was either passing her around or trying to, can't remember.
Toka pretty well whored her sweet little sister off to the first cute camera man to make her cum, which just happened to be the MC.
Natasha was sold off by her father and was both fucked and sexually tortured by Marcus throughout most of the game.
Like if you're choosing to ignore all of that but you're bothered by what a Carmen did somewhere between 10-20 years before this game started then that's quite the double standard. She was young, dumb and horny, it'd be objectively worse if she chose to hide that part of her past and enter a relationship with the MC.

 

[pitao]

IMO the ppl that do the NTS route is the ones that doesn't care about her past and the ones that do the vanilla route will care.

Well you are wrong there (you can even read my past posts in this thread) I don't play NTS/NTR ever, netori I do in some cases where the cheated character deserves it imo. I only care how the LI's will behave in that regard once I start interact with them, maybe I have that view due to my past experiences (I'm not old but not young either, nearly 50 yo) and I learned to not judge people for past mistakes unless they are very very terrible and it is a very bad bad person. Not the case of Carmen, I won't judge her for "mistakes" done into her deep past. But she will have to be willing to devote and commit to the MC ofc. Nothing is ever black or white, life is made of many grey stuff hehe everyone have their own "sins".

 

[MrDude1977]

I'm on the vanilla route and I don't care. Only dudes who care about a woman's sex life before she met them are dude's who didn't have a sex life before she met them. Why would I look down on a woman for having done the exact same things that I did when we were both younger. It'd be pure hypocrisy.

Lea was literally a whore up until she met the MC. Technically she was still a whore after, she just started calling in sick until Biggerman got taken down.
Cassandra's boyfriend was either passing her around or trying to, can't remember.
Toka pretty well whored her sweet little sister off to the first cute camera man to make her cum, which just happened to be the MC.
Natasha was sold off by her father and was both fucked and sexually tortured by Marcus throughout most of the game.
Like if you're choosing to ignore all of that but you're bothered by what a Carmen did somewhere between 10-20 years before this game started then that's quite the double standard. She was young, dumb and horny, it'd be objectively worse if she chose to hide that part of her past and enter a relationship with the MC.

I see 2 ppl so far that don't agree to what i said about Vanilla players not liking whore in their Harem. But what you don't relize is your the exception not the rule. I would say 90% of Vanilla players are going to have a problem with Carmens past.

 

[pitao]

I see 2 ppl so far that don't agree to what i said about Vanilla players not liking whore in their Harem. But what you don't relize is your the exception not the rule. I would say 90% of Vanilla players are going to have a problem with Carmens past.

Not saying you are right or wrong, it always depends on each one view of the world and their past experiences. In life we can chose to extreme our views and conclusions or we can chose to not prejudice first and try to put in other people shoes, really think if I had the other person background I would act different or not and if I did think if I can understand the way they acted. I (try) avoid extremes or absolutes at all cost, only gives us internal pain. But you do you .

Edit: edited some of the pronouns from you to I since this is my point of view and I'm not trying to impose them. Just food for thought.

 

[MrDude1977]

I'm on the vanilla route and I don't care. Only dudes who care about a woman's sex life before she met them are dude's who didn't have a sex life before she met them. Why would I look down on a woman for having done the exact same things that I did when we were both younger. It'd be pure hypocrisy.

Lea was literally a whore up until she met the MC. Technically she was still a whore after, she just started calling in sick until Biggerman got taken down.
Cassandra's boyfriend was either passing her around or trying to, can't remember.
Toka pretty well whored her sweet little sister off to the first cute camera man to make her cum, which just happened to be the MC.
Natasha was sold off by her father and was both fucked and sexually tortured by Marcus throughout most of the game.
Like if you're choosing to ignore all of that but you're bothered by what a Carmen did somewhere between 10-20 years before this game started then that's quite the double standard. She was young, dumb and horny, it'd be objectively worse if she chose to hide that part of her past and enter a relationship with the MC.

I can't remember but Lea was more or less just arm candy for big clients far as i remember they might have got handsy with her but i don't think she actually fucked them and again that was forced. Cassandra's BF i think was trying to or maybe did i can't remember but again was forced I think if it happened it was once and it was a swinging thing. I don't count Toka because she was with MC and i don't think it was some random dude her sister was trying to push her on to it was because it was MC. Natasha again was a forced thing and it was with one guy so i wouldn't call that whoring out and from what i remember he rarely did anything with her. This Carmen was not Forced she willingly Whored her self out and that makes a big difference.

 

[Gilber_bestram@176]

I can't remember but Lea was more or less just arm candy for big clients far as i remember they might have got handsy with her but i don't think she actually fucked them and again that was forced. Cassandra's BF i think was trying to or maybe did i can't remember but again was forced I think if it happened it was once and it was a swinging thing. I don't count Toka because she was with MC and i don't think it was some random dude her sister was trying to push her on to it was because it was MC. Natasha again was a forced thing and it was with one guy so i wouldn't call that whoring out and from what i remember he rarely did anything with her. This Carmen was not Forced she willingly Whored her self out and that makes a big difference.

Blame Inanna I guess. While I pretty agree with you, I think AtemX tried to establish a world with some weird moral value, like the whole slave thing, and most are okay with it. So I think prostitution is somewhat normal in that world (heck, it's actually normal in many part of the word as well), maybe the dev will give u choice to change her view that selling your body is wrong, while pissing off Inanna in the process. Also, Lea is a escort, 100%, read the dialouge in her scene

 

[Juerhullycin]

Blame Inanna I guess. While I pretty agree with you, I think AtemX tried to establish a world with some weird moral value, like the whole slave thing, and most are okay with it. So I think prostitution is somewhat normal in that world (heck, it's actually normal in many part of the word as well), maybe the dev will give u choice to change her view that selling your body is wrong, while pissing off Inanna in the process. Also, Lea is a escort, 100%, read the dialouge in her scene

Lea was also forced to do it that's why i gave her a pass, Carmen gets a pass from me personal because it was done in the the worship of Inanna and had a goal. I still dont like it and in any other game she would be a clear no.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

I'm on the vanilla route and I don't care. Only dudes who care about a woman's sex life before she met them are dude's who didn't have a sex life before she met them. Why would I look down on a woman for having done the exact same things that I did when we were both younger. It'd be pure hypocrisy.

Well, the truth is that I have never received money for having sex, so I guess I can demand the same from LIs without being a hypocrite.

Well you are wrong there (you can even read my past posts in this thread) I don't play NTS/NTR ever, netori I do in some cases where the cheated character deserves it imo. I only care how the LI's will behave in that regard once I start interact with them, maybe I have that view due to my past experiences (I'm not old but not young either, nearly 50 yo) and I learned to not judge people for past mistakes unless they are very very terrible and it is a very bad bad person. Not the case of Carmen, I won't judge her for "mistakes" done into her deep past. But she will have to be willing to devote and commit to the MC ofc. Nothing is ever black or white, life is made of many grey stuff hehe everyone have their own "sins".

My MC can become good friends with Carmen, share good times and enjoy different pleasures of life. What I don't want is for my MC to have sex with her or, of course, a romance. Something I can do, so, in my opinion, all the discussion we are having is unnecessary.

 

[DressedToThrill]

Well, the truth is that I have never received money for having sex, so I guess I can demand the same from LIs without being a hypocrite.



My MC can become good friends with Carmen, share good times and enjoy different pleasures of life. What I don't want is for my MC to have sex with her or, of course, a romance. Something I can do, so, in my opinion, all the discussion we are having is unnecessary.

That all sounds well and good, and perfectly reasonable as your personal choice, but hear me out here...!

What if you were offered money to have sex with Carmen?

 

[Nimbus Commando]

Am 50-50 on the hole whore thing, like I don't really want to stick my dick in a whore. lol

 

[YogSothoth1982]

That all sounds well and good, and perfectly reasonable as your personal choice, but hear me out here...!

What if you were offered money to have sex with Carmen?

There's no way I'm going to prostitute the MC. If the MC gets paid for having sex with some girl and I can't avoid it, I'll definitely quit the game.

 

[pitao]

That all sounds well and good, and perfectly reasonable as your personal choice, but hear me out here...!

What if you were offered money to have sex with Carmen?

Hahaha that was funny but it is better not to feed more this discussion in my opinion. Both views were already enough explained and nothing good can come from pushing it further or teasing yog with sneaky jokes . Their opinion is clear and I respect it even though I disagree with it.

Edit: Edited because I assumed yog gender when I have no idea. Replaced "his" for "their"

 

[MrDude1977]

Well the dev has always pandered to both crowds the NTS crowd and the Vanilla crowd that's why i loved his last game, i wanted Vanilla and i got it. Some of the questionable stuff didn't really happen till mid to late in the game so at that point we where already hooked and loved the story. But this time the Dev throws it out there early and may scare off some of us Vanilla players. I mean the swinging tag does a pretty good job of that by itself but some that is willing to try it anyway is going to Frown on the Carmen past and wonder, What else is in store for this? I just think that info dump should have been only for the NTS route. IMO it is still early enough in the game that the Dev could go back and edit a few lines where she does the info dump about her past and leave out the whore stuff and move those lines to the NTS route a little further in the story.

 

[Mommysbuttslut]

but i don't think she actually fucked them

No, she absolutely was fucking them. She made that extremely clear to the MC before you choose to start a relationship with her. That's why she was so over protective of Jenna when MC came to their house to do a shoot for Jenna, because she didn't want her ending up the same way as her down the road.
If she was just eye candy then she wouldn't have had to start calling in sick to get out of her sex work after she started going out with the MC.

This Carmen was not Forced she willingly Whored her self out and that makes a big difference.

Again, that really shouldn't bother anyone who's actually had a sex life. While I've never earned a living doing it I've had way too much sex with way too many women to discriminate against a woman for doing the same. Like everyone's free to reject who they want, outside of unavoidable LIs, but nothing that Carmen did is anywhere remotely close to being as bad as some people are making it out to be.

 

[AtemX]

I’ve stayed fairly distant from this conversation so far because I know it’s pointless and that neither side is right or wrong. Honestly, I’d just say: enjoy the content you like and let others have fun with what they enjoy. However, I feel compelled to respond to this because I found this comment astounding:

Well the dev has always pandered to both crowds the NTS crowd and the Vanilla crowd that's why i loved his last game, i wanted Vanilla and i got it. Some of the questionable stuff didn't really happen till mid to late in the game so at that point we where already hooked and loved the story. But this time the Dev throws it out there early and may scare off some of us Vanilla players. I mean the swinging tag does a pretty good job of that by itself but some that is willing to try it anyway is going to Frown on the Carmen past and wonder, What else is in store for this? I just think that info dump should have been only for the NTS route. IMO it is still early enough in the game that the Dev could go back and edit a few lines where she does the info dump about her past and leave out the whore stuff and move those lines to the NTS route a little further in the story.

At what point do you consider that Carmen’s past (or that of any other character, by the way) has anything to do with the NTS route and that it should only be revealed there? First, hiding/lying about that part of her story from players who have disabled NTS content would be very dishonest on my part. Second, Netorase content involves sharing—that is, letting a love interest have a relationship with someone else while you’re in a relationship with them in the present. So whatever happened in the past is in no way a form of NTS, NTR, or any other variant of the genre.

As for prostitution, since that seems to be what bothers you most, others have pointed this out, but you tend to overlook a very important point: the story takes place in another world, with different rules, customs, and cultures. Yes, she earned some money doing this, but her primary motivation was to honor her goddess (who, let me remind you, is the goddess of lust. There’s even a dialogue with Sylvia that talks about what her priestesses did in the past). So this should be seen more as a religious act rather than prostitution. In some worlds, people honor their gods by slitting the throats of animals that didn’t ask for it. Here, they do it by having sexual relations (at least those who worship Inanna). But once again, all of this happened in the past, a very distant past. So it’s in no way a form of NTS.

To end on a more positive note, this kind of debate will never change how I see things or how I do things. Throughout the game, you’ll meet different girls with varied personalities and pasts. Choose the ones you want to romance—or not—and most importantly: have fun, enjoy yourselves, and stop stressing over pointless debates.

 

[pitao]

I’ve stayed fairly distant from this conversation so far because I know it’s pointless and that neither side is right or wrong. Honestly, I’d just say: enjoy the content you like and let others have fun with what they enjoy. However, I feel compelled to respond to this because I found this comment astounding:



At what point do you consider that Carmen’s past (or that of any other character, by the way) has anything to do with the NTS route and that it should only be revealed there? First, hiding/lying about that part of her story from players who have disabled NTS content would be very dishonest on my part. Second, Netorase content involves sharing—that is, letting a love interest have a relationship with someone else while you’re in a relationship with them in the present. So whatever happened in the past is in no way a form of NTS, NTR, or any other variant of the genre.

As for prostitution, since that seems to be what bothers you most, others have pointed this out, but you tend to overlook a very important point: the story takes place in another world, with different rules, customs, and cultures. Yes, she earned some money doing this, but her primary motivation was to honor her goddess (who, let me remind you, is the goddess of lust. There’s even a dialogue with Sylvia that talks about what her priestesses did in the past). So this should be seen more as a religious act rather than prostitution. In some worlds, people honor their gods by slitting the throats of animals that didn’t ask for it. Here, they do it by having sexual relations (at least those who worship Inanna). But once again, all of this happened in the past, a very distant past. So it’s in no way a form of NTS.

To end on a more positive note, this kind of debate will never change how I see things or how I do things. Throughout the game, you’ll meet different girls with varied personalities and pasts. Choose the ones you want to romance—or not—and most importantly: have fun, enjoy yourselves, and stop stressing over pointless debates.

Ufff I am glad you cleared that out because I was itching and flabbergasted by the same post but preferred to ignore it and simply react with disagreement, what made my latin blood boil a bit more than usual was the "suggestion" almost in a way that seems demanding that you should change the story and dialogues just to please people that only want rainbows and unicorns in a story, this ain't that story, just like AlwaysFan this has an "ugly setting" and by our own choices we can make it better or worse.

Turning Carmen into a person without a sinful past isn't the way, she isn't a saint or a nun and it would be lying to the readers/viewers/gamers. People that don't like her past have the option to avoid a romantic path with her. It is that simple.

Keep up the good work AtemX, this is by far the best first release game I ever played on this site.

Edit : Yeah like you said it is a pointless discussion, it is like trying to talk to a wall for what I could see (not anymore) on the post after mine so I took the easy way and chose to hit the ignore button on that forum member.