VN Ren'Py Inanna Revenge [Ep. 1] [AtemX Games]

[MrDude1977]

I’ve stayed fairly distant from this conversation so far because I know it’s pointless and that neither side is right or wrong. Honestly, I’d just say: enjoy the content you like and let others have fun with what they enjoy. However, I feel compelled to respond to this because I found this comment astounding:



At what point do you consider that Carmen’s past (or that of any other character, by the way) has anything to do with the NTS route and that it should only be revealed there? First, hiding/lying about that part of her story from players who have disabled NTS content would be very dishonest on my part. Second, Netorase content involves sharing—that is, letting a love interest have a relationship with someone else while you’re in a relationship with them in the present. So whatever happened in the past is in no way a form of NTS, NTR, or any other variant of the genre.

As for prostitution, since that seems to be what bothers you most, others have pointed this out, but you tend to overlook a very important point: the story takes place in another world, with different rules, customs, and cultures. Yes, she earned some money doing this, but her primary motivation was to honor her goddess (who, let me remind you, is the goddess of lust. There’s even a dialogue with Sylvia that talks about what her priestesses did in the past). So this should be seen more as a religious act rather than prostitution. In some worlds, people honor their gods by slitting the throats of animals that didn’t ask for it. Here, they do it by having sexual relations (at least those who worship Inanna). But once again, all of this happened in the past, a very distant past. So it’s in no way a form of NTS.

To end on a more positive note, this kind of debate will never change how I see things or how I do things. Throughout the game, you’ll meet different girls with varied personalities and pasts. Choose the ones you want to romance—or not—and most importantly: have fun, enjoy yourselves, and stop stressing over pointless debates.

Why her being a whore should be more suited for the NTS route? Maybe her being open minded to have sexual relations with multiple ppl for money. Also it doesn't have to be a lie, it just could not ever had happened for the Non sharing route. I tell ya your Vanilla fans are not gonna like it. Have you never read other forums on Vanilla type games? Also the world she's in and time period doesn't make it any less of whore like actions.

 

[Juerhullycin]

As for prostitution, since that seems to be what bothers you most, others have pointed this out, but you tend to overlook a very important point: the story takes place in another world, with different rules, customs, and cultures. Yes, she earned some money doing this, but her primary motivation was to honor her goddess (who, let me remind you, is the goddess of lust. There’s even a dialogue with Sylvia that talks about what her priestesses did in the past). So this should be seen more as a religious act rather than prostitution. In some worlds, people honor their gods by slitting the throats of animals that didn’t ask for it. Here, they do it by having sexual relations (at least those who worship Inanna). But once again, all of this happened in the past, a very distant past. So it’s in no way a form of NTS.

you wont hear me say it's NTS but it falls square into the TMI pond and a lot of vanilla players will reject her for that. I myself have hated and rejected Lis for two lines of text.

Having her murder animals in Inannas name instead of sleeping around would bother fewer people ^^

And what some Slaneeshi worshiper did in ancient times has no bearings on actual in game LI.

Point is her character can change depending on the route you are playing, i bet Sylvia has only a minimal/no problem with being shared in the NTS content (no i wont check) while she is more than happy that Mc didnt let it happen on the non NTS path. (which is also a character change depending on the route and hopefully not a dishonest lie by you).

what i want to say is its not a lie if you change her character depending of the path the player chooses as you do with other chartacters too. She can also worship Innana by exacting revenge on behalf of others and/or revel in battle.

 

[Gilber_bestram@176]

you wont hear me say it's NTS but it falls square into the TMI pond and a lot of vanilla players will reject her for that. I myself have hated and rejected Lis for two lines of text.

Having her murder animals in Inannas name instead of sleeping around would bother fewer people ^^

And what some Slaneeshi worshiper did in ancient times has no bearings on actual in game LI.

Point is her character can change depending on the route you are playing, i bet Sylvia has only a minimal/no problem with being shared in the NTS content (no i wont check) while she is more than happy that Mc didnt let it happen on the non NTS path. (which is also a character change depending on the route and hopefully not a dishonest lie by you).

what i want to say is its not a lie if you change her character depending of the path the player chooses as you do with other chartacters too. She can also worship Innana by exacting revenge on behalf of others and/or revel in battle.

She can change in the future, maybe in the harem path, realizing the way of Inanna is not the right way, and sleeping around for money is morally wrong (which is something i havent figure it out), she will stay very loyal in those path. While in the dark path, she will go the opposite. That say, i think we should agree that the dev won't change that decision and we either accept or move on

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Again, that really shouldn't bother anyone who's actually had a sex life. While I've never earned a living doing it I've had way too much sex with way too many women to discriminate against a woman for doing the same. Like everyone's free to reject who they want, outside of unavoidable LIs, but nothing that Carmen did is anywhere remotely close to being as bad as some people are making it out to be.

The problem is not that she has a past sexual life, the problem, in my case, is that she charged for it.

As for prostitution, since that seems to be what bothers you most, others have pointed this out, but you tend to overlook a very important point: the story takes place in another world, with different rules, customs, and cultures. Yes, she earned some money doing this, but her primary motivation was to honor her goddess (who, let me remind you, is the goddess of lust. There’s even a dialogue with Sylvia that talks about what her priestesses did in the past). So this should be seen more as a religious act rather than prostitution. In some worlds, people honor their gods by slitting the throats of animals that didn’t ask for it. Here, they do it by having sexual relations (at least those who worship Inanna). But once again, all of this happened in the past, a very distant past. So it’s in no way a form of NTS.

With all due respect, just because it's a different world with different rules isn't going to make me like LIs prostituting themselves (now, in the past, or in the future) and saying it's a religious act doesn't miraculously change my mind. Just like my MC will never charge for sex no matter the cause (and religious is just as bad as any other), I want the same from LIs.

I have no intention of asking for anything to be changed about her (we can just reject her so that's enough). But I'm going to continue saying no to romance and sex with her.

 

[Abagofbabies]

I'm on the vanilla route and I don't care. Only dudes who care about a woman's sex life before she met them are dude's who didn't have a sex life before she met them. Why would I look down on a woman for having done the exact same things that I did when we were both younger. It'd be pure hypocrisy.

Lea was literally a whore up until she met the MC. Technically she was still a whore after, she just started calling in sick until Biggerman got taken down.
Cassandra's boyfriend was either passing her around or trying to, can't remember.
Toka pretty well whored her sweet little sister off to the first cute camera man to make her cum, which just happened to be the MC.
Natasha was sold off by her father and was both fucked and sexually tortured by Marcus throughout most of the game.
Like if you're choosing to ignore all of that but you're bothered by what a Carmen did somewhere between 10-20 years before this game started then that's quite the double standard. She was young, dumb and horny, it'd be objectively worse if she chose to hide that part of her past and enter a relationship with the MC.

To be fair there's A difference between having A casual sex life before A relationship and being A literal prostitute, porn star or whatever else. Most normal men would understand one of those and be put off by the other, I don't expect any girl I'm with to be A virgin especially in this day and age since morals have degraded with time and honestly I'm not one to talk in that regard since I'm currently commenting on A porn site, but while I don't expect A girl to be A virgin I also don't expect them to have A massive body count either because that says A lot about their character and I wouldn't want to have A relationship with someone like that. Adding on to that I imagine most men don't want to hear in detail about their partners previous sexcapades in detail, though I would want to be informed if they were A prostitute or whatever else so I could stay away and I think that this game handles that well enough to inform people who don't like that content to stay away from it.

That being said I'll just say what I always say with these type of games that the as long as this is A passion project devs should just make what they want, that being said if your trying to make money off of this game them I'll never understand trying to cultivate 2 diametrically opposed audiences being the ntr (also nts and cuck shit in general) and vanilla fans since they're like oil and water and by trying to satisfy both you wind up satisfying neither and leave one of those sides alienated in the long term. As I said as long as this is just A passion project then no big deal because that means you're essentially just making the game for yourself and are just putting the game out for others to enjoy as well for those who are interested, but assuming this is A product that is being sold and having this game labeled as A harem game then having nts and slut love interests it's pretty obvious that some people would be rubbed the wrong way and acting surprised by that is to be honest A rather ignorant take since people who have come here for the harem side are going to be obviously put off by that stuff even if you make everything optional all that means is that there's less content for the supposed target audience and more content for the audience who wants the opposite of your core audience.

I want to be clear hear that this isn't intended on singling out this dev in particular since honestly this game isn't that bad in this regard more of A broad statement since there's way to many devs trying to stuff every fetish under the sun in their games and wonder why there's constant wars going on in the chat.

 

[DV93]

So, anyone else think the stepsister is gonna get summoned as a Saintess? Disregard the outfit and her bratty side. She's smart, good with astronomy, has blonde hair, and is likely still pure. And we have Umbra in Selene, we're gonna need a lightwielder (forgot the in-game term) to show up, and it's ultra rare.

 

[Edhinor]

So, anyone else think the stepsister is gonna get summoned as a Saintess? Disregard the outfit and her bratty side. She's smart, good with astronomy, has blonde hair, and is likely still pure. And we have Umbra in Selene, we're gonna need a lightwielder (forgot the in-game term) to show up, and it's ultra rare.

Hmmm... that would be interesting. Honestly I was thinking how awesome it would be if the stepsister was summoned here and ended up as a slave as well, with the MC rescuing her the same as Sylvia, by taking ownership of her.

 

[DV93]

Hmmm... that would be interesting. Honestly I was thinking how awesome it would be if the stepsister was summoned here and ended up as a slave as well, with the MC rescuing her the same as Sylvia, by taking ownership of her.

I mean, that might still happen. There's loads of stories where heroes are summoned and then imprisoned, brainwashed, or enslaved so that they can be controlled... if she's summoned as a Saintess, they may try the same thing. Oooh, she could also use the "I must stay pure" excuse most Saintesses use in stories to avoid men defiling her if she is captured like that (It'd be bullshit she made up, but say it with enough authority, "the goddess told me," and it might just work). It'd give a good reason for her to not be raped before we get to her.

 

[AtemX]

Also it doesn't have to be a lie, it just could not ever had happened for the Non sharing route. I tell ya your Vanilla fans are not gonna like it. Have you never read other forums on Vanilla type games? Also the world she's in and time period doesn't make it any less of whore like actions.

A past story that changes according to a choice made by the MC 20 years later in a world where he wasn't, what a coherent and solid scenario... The goal of my games is not to romance every girl but only those you like, as was the case with AlwaysFan. There will be something for everyone, and currently, I think the proportion of 'sluts' is far below that of 'innocent virgins.' So don’t waste your time with this kind of pointless comment. The personalities and backstories of my characters won’t change based on your preferences.

i bet Sylvia has only a minimal/no problem with being shared in the NTS content (no i wont check) while she is more than happy that Mc didnt let it happen on the non NTS path. (which is also a character change depending on the route and hopefully not a dishonest lie by you).

She's fine with it because she's been trained for it, but she's not happy about it. She'd just rather belong to the MC and this is in no way a character change.

why almost all girls have a slut past thou are you real that this is a harem for what i read almost all the girls have really sexual slutty past theres some girl that is virgin or this game is more focused in nts ?

???
Can you name a LI other than Carmen from this first episode who had sexual relations before meeting the MC?

 

[Edhinor]

why almost all girls have a slut past thou are you real that this is a harem for what i read almost all the girls have really sexual slutty past theres some girl that is virgin or this game is more focused in nts ?

These are the current girls in the game:

Your sister - virgin (not yet in harem)
Sylvia - Virgin, your slave, in your harem, you deflower her and can keep her for yourself
Keyane - Virgin, your slave, you haven't deflowered her yet but it is stated she wants it, you can keep her for yourself
Carmen - Non-Virgin (if you do not like her past, you can reject her)
Carmen's daughter (can't remember her name off the top of my head) - Virgin, not yet in your harem
The Princess- antagonist (for now?) Virgin

Yeah, you are totally right, almost all girls (1 of 6) have a slutty sexual past, and there are hardly no virgins (only 5 out of 6)

 

[Edhinor]

The goal of my games is not to romance every girl but only those you like, as was the case with AlwaysFan. There will be something for everyone, and currently, I think the proportion of 'sluts' is far below that of 'innocent virgins.' So don’t waste your time with this kind of pointless comment. The personalities and backstories of my characters won’t change based on your preferences.

Hey AtemX, I hope this doesn't need saying, but I think you do an awesome job at giving us not only a diverse cast of characters but also a great deal of control over what they do and how they behave, much better than in most games out there.

Keep doing the characters you love, and telling the stories you want to tell, I hope those that are vocal against it do not discourage you or make your day worse. Being a dev can be a very thankless job, and I, for one, am grateful that you make your games the way you like.

 

[Chris2041]

These are the current girls in the game:

Your sister - virgin (not yet in harem)
Sylvia - Virgin, your slave, in your harem, you deflower her and can keep her for yourself
Keyane - Virgin, your slave, you haven't deflowered her yet but it is stated she wants it, you can keep her for yourself
Carmen - Non-Virgin (if you do not like her past, you can reject her)
Carmen's daughter (can't remember her name off the top of my head) - Virgin, not yet in your harem
The Princess- antagonist (for now?) Virgin

Yeah, you are totally right, almost all girls (1 of 6) have a slutty sexual past, and there are hardly no virgins (only 5 out of 6)

Ok so people are lying nothing new here some people go polar opposites im gonna try the Game later and form my opinion then

 

[Razorhead]

This has been an absolutely amazing chapter 1 filled with way more story that I had assumed going into this. And it's very good as well! Renders look nice, pacing is on point, and the characters are very well written!
I do like going harsher against Sylvia and I was pleasantly surprised to see this reflected in the dialogue, to see both her and the MC internalise this master/slave relationship. The only criticism I have so far is that picking the option that the MC believes elves deserve slavery doesn't seem to affect anything so far (I thought it might lead to alternate dialogue when you encounter the other elf being beaten), but there's plenty of time for this to come back up again.
As a fan of harsher maledom content this game has been very much up my alley so far and I'll be definitely keeping an eye on it!

 

[Nimbus Commando]

you wont hear me say it's NTS but it falls square into the TMI pond and a lot of vanilla players will reject her for that. I myself have hated and rejected Lis for two lines of text.

Having her murder animals in Inannas name instead of sleeping around would bother fewer people ^^

And what some Slaneeshi worshiper did in ancient times has no bearings on actual in game LI.

Point is her character can change depending on the route you are playing, i bet Sylvia has only a minimal/no problem with being shared in the NTS content (no i wont check) while she is more than happy that Mc didnt let it happen on the non NTS path. (which is also a character change depending on the route and hopefully not a dishonest lie by you).

what i want to say is its not a lie if you change her character depending of the path the player chooses as you do with other chartacters too. She can also worship Innana by exacting revenge on behalf of others and/or revel in battle.

Well I am going to be honest if she was a slaneeshi everyone is fucked, pun intended. lol

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Ok so people are lying nothing new here some people go polar opposites im gonna try the Game later and form my opinion then

In my opinion the game is pretty good, so if you like harem games with romance it's a good option (I'm not going to give my opinion of the other route because I haven't played it and I'm not going to play it)

These are the current girls in the game:

Your sister - virgin (not yet in harem)
Sylvia - Virgin, your slave, in your harem, you deflower her and can keep her for yourself
Keyane - Virgin, your slave, you haven't deflowered her yet but it is stated she wants it, you can keep her for yourself
Carmen - Non-Virgin (if you do not like her past, you can reject her)
Carmen's daughter (can't remember her name off the top of my head) - Virgin, not yet in your harem
The Princess- antagonist (for now?) Virgin

Yeah, you are totally right, almost all girls (1 of 6) have a slutty sexual past, and there are hardly no virgins (only 5 out of 6)

I honestly can't see the princess as a LI.

A past story that changes according to a choice made by the MC 20 years later in a world where he wasn't, what a coherent and solid scenario... The goal of my games is not to romance every girl but only those you like, as was the case with AlwaysFan. There will be something for everyone, and currently, I think the proportion of 'sluts' is far below that of 'innocent virgins.' So don’t waste your time with this kind of pointless comment. The personalities and backstories of my characters won’t change based on your preferences.

I haven't seen any sluts in the game. There are a few virgin LIs (almost all of them, actually).

 

[pitao]

Well I am going to be honest if she was a slaneeshi everyone is fucked, pun intended. lol

Hahaha well careful "summoning" a fantasy fictional with both genders chaos god that adds some more "sins" than Inanna into a debate where there is plenty pretty impressionable "heavy vanilla" players and I consider myself pretty vanilla.

Inanna is a goddess of lust and already created a incomprehensible fuss over some fantasy story details, imagine putting in the mix things like greed, pain, hedonism or cruelty not to mention plenty other domains Slaneesh rules over. You are playing with fire keep going .

 

[Punto]

Is there any walkthrough-mod?

 

[pitao]

Is there any walkthrough-mod?

Nope but I use URM even though it isn't really needed. Choices are clear on what path you are doing but yeah with URM you can see variables that are set and stats that are given, being them on the selfless/pragmatic moral behavior gauge of the MC or both slaves Sylvia/Kayane love/submission gauge. Also I can see with what choices Carmen relationship points are given or not.

 

[Juerhullycin]

She can change in the future, maybe in the harem path, realizing the way of Inanna is not the right way, and sleeping around for money is morally wrong (which is something i havent figure it out), she will stay very loyal in those path. While in the dark path, she will go the opposite. That say, i think we should agree that the dev won't change that decision and we either accept or move on

she doesnt need to change because she stopped already and i have no problem with what she does now as Li or even what she has done in former rituals to Inanna.

I just said that slightly changing her past for people that have a problem with is is neither deceptive nor wrong no skin of my back if AtemX decides against it

 

[DressedToThrill]

I, for one, will henceforth refuse any advances from Carmen until the day she re-opens shop and provides her services to anyone with adequate coin and personal hygiene!