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Ren'Py Inanna Revenge [Ep.2] [AtemX Games]

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BigCosyStoryFan

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darkjoker13 said:
hey. how can i do with this.
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The missing one is a bird on the edge of the hermit's house (outside, right hand side of the structure).

I've updated the below after a quick test to fix my assumptions.

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This is how I solved it in my playthrough, so I'm not sure how hard and fast the 'must' have parts are, beyond my own testing.

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BigCosyStoryFan said:
The missing one is a bird on the edge of the hermit's house (outside, right hand side of the structure).

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This is how I solved it in my playthrough, so I'm not sure how hard and fast the 'must' have parts are, beyond my own testing.
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Do you mean this crow? I found it, but it doesn't show up on the clues page. It might be a bug or something to do with the order of interactions.

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darkjoker13 said:
Do you mean this crow?
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I believe that's the one. I had to revisit the hermit's home to click on it again for whatever reason. Then the map had a note that I'd found all clues. (I'd also clicked it before I went into the house.)

I'm second guessing myself as to the correct solution, but I made a save at the deduction point.

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Just played through the scene with the princess. What the actual fuck man.

I'm all for revenge, but this is some psychotic shit. Not only was the scene very messed up, it has issues with the narrative which I'll go over in just a bit. But the one thing that I detested the most was the fact that there's no alternative scene for different routes, only for scumbag.

As for the narrative problems with the scene: the MC "justifies" his torture + rape by saying she's a lying bitch and he wouldn't believe a word out of her mouth anyway. Problem here is that she has a slave seal and is incapable of lying to him if he so wishes. Second problem is that while she indeed did many shitty things and absolutely deserves to be punished, she's not the one who perpetrates the acts nor is she the one being cruel. She allows it to happen, which, again, needs to be punished for sure, but what was implemented was a massive psychotic episode, no room for any nuance.

Look, one of the greatest evils that exist is the evil that becomes "banal". Banalization of evil - when people don't move/act to stop horrible acts, and passively condone/allow horrible shit to go down without doing anything about it, especially if they hold power - usually under the pretense of "I'm just following orders" or "I didn't have a choice" or "It's not my business" or "It doesn't affect me".

If the princess was indeed a psychotic freak, then fine. I wouldn't have liked the scene but in some messed up way I feel it could be seen as justified. But she isn't - her father and Lucius are.

While the arena scene was getting wrapped up, the first thing on my mind was Lucius. As soon as the guards came around to "greet the new lord" I thought MC would ask them to seek out and capture Lucius immediately. But instead MC only thought about him, what, 2 days after?

Anyhow, the princess only tells you of her motivations if you choose to listen to her. But even if you'd want to go the torture route, the justification of "you're lying and I don't believe you" is ridiculously weak and makes the MC as bad as, if not worse than she is.

Holy shit, what a let down. And the scene is pretty hot too - the animations, pose variations, and camera angles. But that context killed not only the scene, but a good portion of the narrative for me. I absolutely want revenge on her, but this ain't it.

My overall rating of the game dropped significantly after this. In one of my previous posts I mentioned how the karma system is frustrating, yeah? Well, this is exactly the kind of scene that should be locked behind 55+ ruthlessness points. More because of the narrative context (the MC would have to be a scumbag consistently to get that far and do the things he does to her) than because of the content of the scene itself.

If not locked behind a wall of scumbag points, then I'd expect, at least, some variations in the text, dialog and actions based off how many points you have.

And the lack of alternative scene for the other route is just a twisting of the knife.
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You almost perfectly summed up my thoughts. I actually almost wrote something similar after playing but thought maybe I was just being a bit too soft but I am glad to see others felt similar to me.

I really like the rest of the game but it really soured the whole experience for me. I realize I could just not pick that option, and I didn't for my actual saved play through, but just knowing the MC could even do that, especially when up until that point I was 100% on the good guy route. The tone shift was jarring. It was just disappointing how it tarnished my image of the game. Up until that point I had considered this my #1 favorite new AVN and was recommending it every time there was a "what AVN should I play" on the various subreddits. I stopped my support via Patreon but I will see how the next update is and see if I come back around to it.

EDIT: I removed some unfair criticisms of the developer and expanded on my opinion a bit more.
 
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Damn, what an amazing update! I'm going to wait patiently for the next installment of this amazing game. :love:
 
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Just played through the scene with the princess. What the actual fuck man.

I'm all for revenge, but this is some psychotic shit. Not only was the scene very messed up, it has issues with the narrative which I'll go over in just a bit. But the one thing that I detested the most was the fact that there's no alternative scene for different routes, only for scumbag.

As for the narrative problems with the scene: the MC "justifies" his torture + rape by saying she's a lying bitch and he wouldn't believe a word out of her mouth anyway. Problem here is that she has a slave seal and is incapable of lying to him if he so wishes. Second problem is that while she indeed did many shitty things and absolutely deserves to be punished, she's not the one who perpetrates the acts nor is she the one being cruel. She's not even the one behind these happenings, the one that is responsible for the experiments. She's not the mastermind - her father is, with Lucius being her father's tool of choice.

She allows it to happen though, which, again, needs to be punished for sure, but what was implemented was a massive psychotic episode, no room for any nuance.

Look, one of the greatest evils that exist is the evil that becomes "banal". Banalization of evil - when people don't move/act to stop horrible acts, and passively condone/allow horrible shit to go down without doing anything about it, especially if they hold power - usually under the pretense of "I'm just following orders" or "I didn't have a choice" or "It's not my business" or "It doesn't affect me".

If the princess was indeed a psychotic freak, then... fine. I wouldn't have liked the scene but in some messed up way I feel it could be seen as justified. But she isn't - her father and Lucius are.

While the arena scene was getting wrapped up, the first thing on my mind was Lucius. As soon as the guards came around to "greet the new lord" I thought MC would ask them to seek out and capture Lucius immediately. But instead MC only thought about him, what, 2 days after?

Anyhow, the princess only tells you of her motivations if you choose to listen to her. But even if you'd want to go the torture route, the justification of "you're lying and I don't believe you" is ridiculously weak and makes the MC as bad as, if not worse than she is.

Holy shit, what a let down. And the scene is pretty hot too - the animations, pose variations, and camera angles. But that context killed not only the scene, but a good portion of the narrative for me. I absolutely want revenge on her, but this ain't it.

My overall rating of the game dropped significantly after this. In one of my previous posts I mentioned how the karma system is frustrating, yeah? Well, this is exactly the kind of scene that should be locked behind 55+ ruthlessness points. More because of the narrative context (the MC would have to be a scumbag consistently to get that far and do the things he does to her) than because of the content of the scene itself.

If not locked behind a wall of scumbag points, then I'd expect, at least, some variations in the text, dialog and actions based off how many points you have.

And the lack of alternative scene for the other route is just a twisting of the knife.
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What a bunch of nonsense is this? I can't even point out what exactly you are unhappy with. The fact that MC has bad or stupid reason to rape Regina? Well, I have a couple of news for you: first, there is actualy no legitimate or smart enough reason to rape anyone at all. It's not something you can rationalize. The real reason MC does it is because he is a dick and feels like doing it.
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That's it. People do irrational shit all the time, don't see a problem with that. Second, you push the buttons! Nobody is forcing you to see this scene. You playing one of the few games on this site with some actual choices and unhappy that you can make some choices you don't like? The only thing I can agree with is that this scene should be locked behind sufficient karma points, just like scene with a Manon later, but it's not a huge problem.

As for the alternative scene, I'm pretty sure there would be plenty of scenes that are available only to compassionate MC later. How do you imagine an alternative scene at this point of the story? "Thank you duke for listening to me vent my trauma and not torturing me, can I lick your balls?"
 
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I’m surprised that there wasn’t an option to have her executed. Sort of like a middle ground in which justice is served without either perpetuating the cycle of revenge or letting it go largely unpunished.

That to me, would have been the most rational and justifiable thing to do.
 
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