Kata

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Don't get me wrong, but if here a game mostly gets complains - guess how many F95 users will support the game? probably Zero! Have already seen that with some games here I actually liked.
I pledge to most games I like (with a good release schedule) if they have a Patreon, so it's certainly at least one, and I'm guessing there's a lot more.

Moreover, a lot of people discover games through a place like F95. I know I'm certainly not trolling through Patreon to discover if there's any decent adult VNs to read. Acting like F95 isn't a big net positive to most of these indie developers is strange. Many of them wouldn't have a fraction of patrons they do if their content wasn't disseminated across a wide audience.
 

CrioniC.Syn

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If the developers would be able to moderate their own gamethreads this wouldn't be a problem... And it's normal realy... The more users the more trolls. To deal the right way with these trolls is the challenge to overcome and right now f95zone mods are somewhat aggressive as seen in the Summer's Gone game thread. People are now afraid to post in this thread because of some unjustified "off topic" cleansing which resulted in people getting View attachment 1794289 .
If this thread would've been moderated, the dev would still be here imo. This is a shitshow from the start (and I include myself too). This thread would only be max 50 pages long instead of 700+
 

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Offering criticism is helping a dev. A good and humble developer can listen to the feedback and take on board potential for improvement.
That's true, but Nyx left the forum a long time ago, so even well-intentioned constructive criticism fizzles out. If you want to direct your criticism/suggestions for improvement to Nyx, you should probably stick to her discord.
 
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The thing i like to know: "When will the Drama start between Lay and EL" if we just want Elena. :unsure:
 

FunFuntomes

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Erynn is allegedly totally in love with someone from 5 years ago, when her memories of him were as a prepubescent boy. She apparently feels like she still has ownership over him (big red flags), and gets mad when he, a single dude who has his own agency, sleeps with Alexis, a single girl who has her own agency. She has no real right to feel upset about it, and even if she wants to throw her hat in the ring, the MC deserves to make his own choice over who he wants to pursue romantically instead of her just snapping at Alexis for following her feelings.
Erryn snapped at Alexis for no telling her she was dating MC despite them talking about him a lot, it was a breach of trust.
Layla hasn't been forthright with the MC from the beginning. She lied to the MC about her relationship with the principal. She's immediately super territorial over the MC over Tori the first two times she's met him. She struggles with creating boundaries seeing as how she largely lets Zach just hover around her without being shown firmly rejecting him and creating space.
Layla never lied about her relatinship with the principal, she simply never said it's her Mom. As of rejecting Zach, something Layla did, it would've worked if only that imbecile listened and wasn't always around MC. It's Ethan's sidebitch Zach that is always the third wheel. As of Layla being territorial.... those 2 times MC flirted with Layla and showed to be interesting, besides you find it strange that a girl would be attracted to MC? and Tori? Tori is a notorious slut, and Layla hoped MC didn't go for that type.
But they impulsively decide to break up with the MC during a traumatic period in his life because they hear a throwaway comment that MC hooked up with Juliet, even though it was during the same period where Nikki and Cara were both mutually interested in the MC and he had not formally pursued a relationship with either of them.
he fucked Julie when he was developing a relationship with the sisters, and while Nikki and Cara could've justfied it by MC having feelings for the other sister, Julie was always just a fuck.
And let's not even get into a character like Gabi who's an actual married teacher seducing a student, and I'm guessing at some point Nyx is going to unironically require the MC to be monogamous towards her if you want her ending because the MC has to be a saint compared to the girls he's romancing.
Gabi was a drunk mistake, but let's put a pin to that and pretend you know what you talk about...
I'm commenting because I played the game. More than once actually with all the branching paths and dead ends.
and here is where we remove the pin from what you said about Gabi, if you played every path, you should know that during the sports meet she says to MC that it's the end (and her path is closed. so where do you reach the conclusion that Nyx would require the MC to be monogamous towards Gabi if there's nothing between them?
 
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Yeah, that's pretty much my take on Alexis as well. She's introduced as a girl who's down to fuck, which isn't my cup of tea but is fine for a porn game. But then we simultaneously transition from that to explaining that she's always pined for the MC (despite barely ever speaking with him and making no effort to contact him) AND her refusing to admit this to him lest he reject her (despite it being blindingly obvious the truth would come out fairly quickly).

One way or the other, Alexis isn't someone I want to spend time with. Maybe I'd change my opinion if we could see the MC bonding with her over other things, but unfortunately she all but disappears from the game if the MC isn't sleeping with her.
this is the thing that bothers me the most
you can choose to bang alexis on a school night or that's it, she's gone. for someone who knows a lot about MC and knowing her best friend thinks the world of you, you'd think she'd:
a) go after MC either a bit more romantically - at least not fuck him in a plane the moment she meets him
b) or put in a bit more effort - not cutting all ties after you didn't wanna bang her once
well, of course, if she would opt to fuck her best friend over to start with.

and then, on the other side of the LI spectrum, you have erynn, who's supposed to be this super romantic story in MCs life, generally looking like THE one for the MC... and her story is complete crap. she's not there. she loves you but she's not showing it at all (only moment she does is iirc she kisses MC when he's sleeping). whenever I play the game and do anything erynn related, I just feel pushed away by all the bullshit.

all of the reasons above are probably why I've started sticking to layla more and more whenever I'm bored and go for another playthrough. but, again, I'm not playing this for sex scenes.
 
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It's difficult, because if we're being honest, much of how Alexis "lies and manipulates" is framed by her relationship with Erynn. But if Erynn is openly staking claims to boy she's interested in and otherwise just assuming the worst at first chance without giving Alexis the chance to explain her side of the story, I can completely understand why she wanted to keep something like that hidden from her. It's always tough when you have one of those friends, whom you love but they're probably not the most sympathetic to your personal issues because they're kind of self-centered. It doesn't help that Erynn has some lowkey narcissism vibes, or at least the writing is weird/bad enough to present them.

Combine with how the MC had an obvious crush on Erynn that he outright admitted (trumping Alexis's likely own feelings towards him), how Ethan seems obsessed with her, and how Erynn is apparently a well-known model, and it's easy to see how Alexis might feel like it's a struggle to get Erynn to really see her issues. That's not to say that Erynn doesn't have a right to be angry over Alexis's lies, but there's a lot of reasons for why someone might lie and we haven't seen enough about Alexis to fully understand hers. The retconning of her character halfway through the story certainly doesn't help, either.
I think it's fair to say their friendship has been portrayed as more centered on what Erynn wants and less on Alexis (doesn't help that Alexis doesn't have much going on besides possible LI), and Erynn doesn't trust Alexis with her secrets either(one key difference however, Erynn's secret only hurts Erynn, it doesn't affect her friends).
The possible inferiority complex would be relatable, yet a "subconscious rivalry" angle hasn't been touched at all in the story (and Nyx while she still hanged around here shitted on me for the theory btw).

However i don't think you can undersell Alexis lies and manipulation, in the pizzaria scene she straight up admits that she knew full well what she was doing.
Admits to the MC that she didn't tell him who she was because she was afraid he wouldn't want anything to do with her, that's manipulative.
It's also outright stated that Erynn has expressed to her(off screen) how happy she is about the MC being back or coming back.
And when the Mc says something "i don't even know if Erynn thinks of me like that", Alexis thinks to herself "oh she does, you will know" or something along those lines(Erynn btw seems slow on recognizing her feelings, both Melissa and Alexis beat her to the punch), so fully conscious of her "moves" the entire time.

Compare that with poor Elena, who would be happy to jump the MCs bones right now(if you are playing your cards right), but doesn't do it out of loyalty to Layla.
You can also see the sadness of her situation slowly seeping in rather than the super fast, i'm hopelessly in love this guy i just met turn that the Alexis story takes.

I guess it's up to each individual wether they are OK with Alexis "all is fair in love and war" attitude even as it comes to her best friend, i'm not.
 
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CrioniC.Syn

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I think it's fair to say their friendship has been portrayed as more centered on what Erynn wants and less on Alexis (doesn't help that Alexis doesn't have much going on besides possible LI), and Erynn doesn't trust Alexis with her secrets either(one key difference however, Erynn's secret only hurts Erynn, it doesn't affect her friends).
The possible inferiority complex would be relatable, yet a "subconscious rivalry" angle hasn't been touched at all in the story (and Nyx while she still hang around here shitted on me for the theory btw).

However i don't think you can undersell Alexis lies and manipulation, in the pizzaria scene she straight up admits that she knew full well what she was doing.
Admits to the MC that she didn't tell him who she was because she was afraid he wouldn't want anything to do with her, that's manipulative.
It's also outright stated that Erynn has expressed to her(off screen) how happy she is about the MC being back or coming back.
And when the Mc says something "i don't even know if Erynn thinks of me like that", Alexis thinks to herself "oh she does, you will know" or something along those lines(Erynn btw seems slow on recognizing her feelings, both Melissa and Alexis beat her to the punch), so fully conscious of her "moves" the entire time.

Compare that with poor Elena, who would be happy to jump the MCs bones right now(if you are playing your cards right), but doesn't do it out of loyalty to Layla.
You can also see the sadness of her situation slowly seeping in rather than the super fast, i'm hopelessly in love this guy i just met turn that the Alexis story takes.

I guess it's up to each individual wether they are OK with Alexis "all is fair in love and war" attitude even as it comes to her best friend, i'm not.
But isn't that the fun thing about this game that not all LIs are the same?
Some, like you, don't like the way Alexis "approached" MC, while others don't mind.
Same goes for other LI, you have slow burn, jealousy, physical relationship, emotional, ...
 
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Kata

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Erryn snapped at Alexis for no telling her she was dating MC despite them talking about him a lot, it was a breach of trust.
That's fair, but she also snaps at her without letting Alexis say anything in return. Apparently, the thought that Alexis might genuinely also have very deep feelings is just not something she ever considers. Her first thought is that her best friend must be trying to sabotage her relationship with the MC. Her personal feelings about him seem to trump the possibility of Alexis having a genuine relationship with the MC, despite the fact that I, and others feel like your actual interactions with Erynn result in mostly Erynn pushing the MC away rather than embracing or acting on her feelings.

Layla never lied about her relatinship with the principal, she simply never said it's her Mom. As of rejecting Zach, something Layla did, it would've worked if only that imbecile listened and wasn't always around MC. It's Ethan's sidebitch Zach that is always the third wheel. As of Layla being territorial.... those 2 times MC flirted with Layla and showed to be interesting, besides you find it strange that a girl would be attracted to MC? and Tori? Tori is a notorious slut, and Layla hoped MC didn't go for that type.
At least two times she catches herself saying Mom but then stops, so she clearly has every intention of keeping MC in the dark about her mom being the principal. In fact, she finds out when the principal literally walks in on him while she's alone with her at her house. If we're talking realism here, dating someone that closely related to someone who has major say in your academic future is kind of a big deal and the MC has every right to know.

Also it's not a good look for Layla to be slutshaming or otherwise judging other women for having multiple partners.

he fucked Julie when he was developing a relationship with the sisters, and while Nikki and Cara could've justfied it by MC having feelings for the other sister, Julie was always just a fuck.
When MC fucked Julie he was not exclusive with either sister. Hell, they were not even exclusive with each other (or really at any point in the story), which is why it's a red flag for them to dump him outright for it after just hearing Juliet's side of the story, instead of having a talk about it.

Gabi was a drunk mistake, but let's put a pin to that and pretend you know what you talk about...

and here is where we remove the pin from what you said about Gabi, if you played every path, you should know that during the sports meet she says to MC that it's the end (and her path is closed. so where do you reach the conclusion that Nyx would require the MC to be monogamous towards Gabi if there's nothing between them?
The point here was about red flags. The very act of sleeping with someone (especially someone obviously much younger) as a "drunk mistake" is a red flag.

Also, there's reason to suspect the Gabi route isn't over because the variable gabi_end is marked false if you sleep with her at training camp (and true if you ignore her while she's on her phone call). Not to mention that after initially sleeping with Gabi, she attempts to put an end to the relationship, but you obviously can end up sleeping with her again (and
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I think it's fair to say their friendship has been portrayed as more centered on what Erynn wants and less on Alexis

However i don't think you can undersell Alexis lies and manipulation
I'm absolutely not underselling Alexis's lies. I'm merely saying I see a lot of issues with the various other LIs in much the same vein. In the end, I think a lot of it is good, in the sense that they're realistic characters who aren't perfect paragons of virtue.

I do think Lexi especially seems to be victim of poor writing, in particular her retcon midway through the game leads to a lot of plot holes and leaves her character seeming worse because of it. But a lot of characters suffer from poor writing, e.g. Erynn somehow being dumb enough to think escorting is better for her reputation/future as a teacher than an illegally obtained/leaked sextape. A lot of this feels like plot-induced stupidity.
 
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and here is where we remove the pin from what you said about Gabi, if you played every path, you should know that during the sports meet she says to MC that it's the end (and her path is closed. so where do you reach the conclusion that Nyx would require the MC to be monogamous towards Gabi if there's nothing between them?
Gabi's path does not close at the sports meet..

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If we're talking realism here, dating someone that closely related to someone who has major say in your academic future is kind of a big dea
and that's why Layla wasn't saying it, she doesn't want to be the principal's daughter
 

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MC is not in a position to choose or take sides or turn anything on the right track.
MC gets beaten so often we should have gotten the jist so far.
MC has no means to influence the girls in their daily lives.
Remember, Eyrin has the flat and the car, hard earned by shouldering ethan all this time,
while alex has the family car and invests time in MC.
Eyrin just throws him out the first chance she gets to talk blackmail with ethan.
As a bff, Eyrin does the slightest thing of offering MC a sleep over when she has the time.
The minute that time is not there anymore, MC gets kicked to the streets.
 

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Gabi's path does not close at the sports meet..

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Gabi is an interesting one, like many girls in this game she has a fight between her desires and what's right.
She drunkenly cheats in the first event, but she doesn't know he's a student, so it's "just" cheating because her husband doesn't "value her".
She keeps it in her pants for the next couple of episodes and acts "mostly" professional towards the MC, but in the sports meeting she feels low, devalued and unloved again and caves, fuck professionalism.

Is she a perfect person? No, but she's flawed in a relatable way.
 
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I've read the conversations. She didn't snap at them, she explained stuff. I think only towards warscared, she was harsher, but he deserved it. There's a reason why he's banned from other threads.
She left because people attacked her directly, not the game.
i am banned from other threads because i speak my mind and fuck censorship i will not relinquish my freedom over a forum a game or a million dollars!

quite funny as most get 3 days threadbanned and i never did... i get instant threadban because i present facts that go against cherished held fantasies like the *censored* and without those fantasies people would have to drop their false held "truths"... but i guess it easier to deceive people then make them understand they have been deceived.

and people were attacking her for a very long time i was one of those defending her alongside odin and a few others but in one busy weekend where i could not drop by things got out of hand and she had her fill and left!

since i was not here i can not speak about what happened but i like to believe i would have made a difference since i give as good as i get!

but from the posts that remained it was mostly a miss understanding from someone with real issues about the game and valid complains that had cooler tempers been preserved it could have been easily solved! but a few trolls decided to use that as an excuse to start a shitstorm! but probably 2 or 3 others can give a better explanation on what happened as stated i was out for 3 days!

as for she being harsher towards.. yes and not saying i can not be abrasive since i clearly can, but she also explained alot of her reasoning that was not present in the game and she eventually made things more clear with small changes that puts the story into a more defined perspective!

but i have the belief that criticism towards developers is never positive unless they ask for it!
*censored shit that might be to ...*

anyway the Erynn path needs a shit load of fluffing to recover, but love the Lexxi secret path!

P.S: i understand that me saying i will not be censored and then self censuring a few parts of my own text might seem hypocrite... and in some ways it is, but some battles are not worth it. Erynn loves the MC *censored* ... guess i did it again, love and sexual attraction are or can be different... you connect the dots on what i meant!
 
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But isn't that the fun thing about this game that not all LIs are the same?
Some, like you, don't like the way Alexis "approached" MC, while others don't mind.
Same goes for other LI, you have slow burn, jealousy, physical relationship, emotional, ...
If all characteristics described and shown are indeed intentional Nyx would probably be one, if not the best writer on this forum... And this includes the bitch MC as well... but
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In this game, MC is that unrecognizable his own flesh and blood almost did not recognize him.
This is the blunt start to this game.

MC is being kicked out, MC is in a low place.
Welcome to the adventure of this hunk in a pinch accepting any and all offerings.

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The smartest woman I know right in front of me right now. A site to behold!

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Having second thoughts, my goddess? I just told you my most traumatic childhood story. Chin up, dear! You brought me into the present so beautifully.

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You have done precisely the same thing you did after I was heartbroken then:
lifted me up into the world again, gave me purpuse and meaning,
showed me there is a girl for me - you, you, forever and for always ... you!
Thank you my goddess!
 
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