VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.12.3] [Nyx]

[LSC82]

"Because Nyx is a Lazy Milker Motherfucker,
who also happen to be an egomaniac,SelfCentered,Control Freak Asshole who lacks editorial self-control,
and waste time on Shits that i dont give a Fuck about ."

Wow, that's number 1 fan material!!!!

 

[Darkwen]

"Because Nyx is a Lazy Milker Motherfucker,
who also happen to be an egomaniac,SelfCentered,Control Freak Asshole who lacks editorial self-control,
and waste time on Shits that i dont give a Fuck about ."

you left ass out of that but maybe she needs to work up to thatps in case Nyx some how see this Nikki is the best

 

[Benhy]

She´s actually one the more productive devs out there (at least from those i follow). Updates are quite big for the time they took to make also always keep in mind that most devs make those games in their spare time, this one included!

 

[Primarch Dorn]

Have your tried creating an AVN ?

No one works at the same pace.

And yeah she had trouble with a graphic card that caught fire, a month or 2 ago, setbacks ensued, so yeah, didn't help.

Obviously won't tell you what to do, but I suggest you find another game in the meantime, that's what I do, updates are 'surprises' cause I never expect them, perks of ADD I suppose.

Tbh it sounded like an attention grab for money

 

[Jamester]

i think NYX is good and well developed the characters and story. if speed up, the product could not be so good

 

[Jamester]

The most meh out of all love interests.

What u mean?

 

[Jamester]

you left ass out of that but maybe she needs to work up to thatps in case Nyx some how see this Nikki is the best

may i ask u what game is in your sign?

 

[Sasanid]

Tbh it sounded like an attention grab for money

When she announced that on Patreon, I know I didn't get that vibe, she seemed a bit lost and quite upset, but maybe I'm just gullible, and don't know if it changed anything with her other patrons, I know I didn't change my pledge cause of that, nor send her any additional money.

 

[Darkwen]

may i ask u what game is in your sign?

That's Josy from being a Dik. Nyx uses the same model for Val

 

[AchedCroissant]

"Because Nyx is a Lazy Milker Motherfucker,
who also happen to be an egomaniac,SelfCentered,Control Freak Asshole who lacks editorial self-control,
and waste time on Shits that i dont give a Fuck about ."

Soprano don't say that and I don't support you... Nyx is the best girl I've ever met and I don't defend her because she doesn't forced me

 

[Darkwen]

Soprano don't say that and I don't support you... Nyx is the best girl I've ever met and I don't defend her because she doesn't forced me
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I'm sure she is a nice girl but are you drunk

 

[Kaskaze]

Have your tried creating an AVN ?

No one works at the same pace.

And yeah she had trouble with a graphic card that caught fire, a month or 2 ago, setbacks ensued, so yeah, didn't help.

Obviously won't tell you what to do, but I suggest you find another game in the meantime, that's what I do, updates are 'surprises' cause I never expect them, perks of ADD I suppose.

I haven't tried doing it. And right now I don't know how.
That's why I asked.

 

[misfolk]

I hope you don't kill me for this, but
Can someone explain to me why it takes so long to create an episode?
Why was there talk of changing the graphics card earlier?

There are multiple steps for an episode:

1. Writing. You have to actually come up with and write all the dialogues. The more various branches and flags your VN has, the harder it is.
2. Rendering static scenes
   • Is it a new location? You need to model it (or reuse a stock asset, there's a reason why every shady back alley in VNs looks the same) and place some stuff around so it looks like a real place and not a theater set
   • Where is the light coming from? Light and shadows make your images pop, but you have to set it up so there's no weird spots anywhere
   • Are there any extras? You need to model them and pose them. It's not that hard as designing and posing your main characters and you can probably reuse some stock faces and clothes, but you still have to do this
   • And then, for every scene, you need to pose your main characters, adjust their expressions, adjust the camera and render a shot. Repeat for every couple of lines. You can reuse transition screens, but people will notice when you start recycling character shots
   • Is one of your characters upside down? Or wet? Is there a strong wind? Why does their hairdo look like it's made of plastic, then?
3. Rendering animations. It's a porn game, so people want to see animations of people fucking. And animations are really hard to render and model: you want physics like inverse kinematics and soft body simulation, or it will look like that scene from Team America. Soft body parts flap each at their own frequency, so you need a longer loop, and a longer loop means more frames to render
4. Putting it all together. Now you actually have to sit down and code the scenes:
   • Show image 12345
   • Have MC say "..."
   • Have MC say "..."
   • Show image 12346
   • Have LI say "..."
   • Have LI say "..."
   • Show image 1237
   • Show menu with choices "A..." and "B..."
   • If A:
     • Add 1 point to some counter
     • Show image 12348a001
     • Have MC say "..."
   • and so on for thousands of lines of dialogue
5. Looking for bugs and redoing your choices. Did you notice I made a mistake in my coding example? You might also realize you need an extra branch because your MC did A, B, but not C. Or some scene just doesn't have the right punch when you actually play it, so you need to rewrite it. Or you notice something wrong with one of your images, so you have to rerender or even repose one of the scenes.

 

[anonnyscouse]

I like the game and have no problem with long development times, but there's no hiding from the fact that some of the delays come from Nyx changing the plans and rewriting the game she originally planned. I'm not referring to the rewrite and recode of the earlier episodes but big changes to her original plan for the game that has caused rewrites throughout the development.

Originally Alexis was only meant to be one of the quick fuck options who while providing short-term fun offer nothing but tripwires to the stories of the main characters (like the girl (can't remember the name) who fucks MC just to annoy Cara). Changing her to a main character not only changes the storyline around her but also around Erynn and Layla.

Originally Nikki was meant to be killed by being run over by a car. That not only means rewriting to keep Nikki in the game but also rushes the Cara storyline as they both had to be at the same place when MC makes the decision as to who he wants to be with (if either) between them. Cara being a virgin should have been a slowburn in the same way as Layla, by speeding up the relationship with Cara it intensifies the frustration with slowburns as their virginity can no longer be used as a reason for their slowness to allow sexual contact.

Erynn's story has significantly changed too, the corruption tag on the game was meant to be linked to her and you could team up with Ethan and push her into his plans, while potentially opening her up to be more willing to do stuff with you, or you could white knight and hope to get her as the nice guy. Probably due to potential issues with the anti-NTR brigade Nyx changed her mind about this. This leaves just the nice guy route and also messes up the Zach character as it doesn't matter what his RP is he will still betray MC and contribute to him getting beaten up. If the original plan was still there Zach would just be the facilitator to bring MC and Ethan together to decide which route MC takes with Ethan and Erynn.

Assuming Nyx had a storyboard built for how this game was meant to progress making these significant changes to the game changes the story considerably and the original storyboard would be redundant at this stage. We see this from frequent mentions in devlogs of rewriting scenes she's not happy with and moving scenes around from where she planned to have them as they no longer fit with where the story has gone.

 

[Kaskaze]

There are multiple steps for an episode:

1. Writing. You have to actually come up with and write all the dialogues. The more various branches and flags your VN has, the harder it is.
2. Rendering static scenes
   • Is it a new location? You need to model it (or reuse a stock asset, there's a reason why every shady back alley in VNs looks the same) and place some stuff around so it looks like a real place and not a theater set
   • Where is the light coming from? Light and shadows make your images pop, but you have to set it up so there's no weird spots anywhere
   • Are there any extras? You need to model them and pose them. It's not that hard as designing and posing your main characters and you can probably reuse some stock faces and clothes, but you still have to do this
   • And then, for every scene, you need to pose your main characters, adjust their expressions, adjust the camera and render a shot. Repeat for every couple of lines. You can reuse transition screens, but people will notice when you start recycling character shots
   • Is one of your characters upside down? Or wet? Is there a strong wind? Why does their hairdo look like it's made of plastic, then?
3. Rendering animations. It's a porn game, so people want to see animations of people fucking. And animations are really hard to render and model: you want physics like inverse kinematics and soft body simulation, or it will look like that scene from Team America. Soft body parts flap each at their own frequency, so you need a longer loop, and a longer loop means more frames to render
4. Putting it all together. Now you actually have to sit down and code the scenes:
   • Show image 12345
   • Have MC say "..."
   • Have MC say "..."
   • Show image 12346
   • Have LI say "..."
   • Have LI say "..."
   • Show image 1237
   • Show menu with choices "A..." and "B..."
   • If A:
     • Add 1 point to some counter
     • Show image 12348a001
     • Have MC say "..."
   • and so on for thousands of lines of dialogue
5. Looking for bugs and redoing your choices. Did you notice I made a mistake in my coding example? You might also realize you need an extra branch because your MC did A, B, but not C. Or some scene just doesn't have the right punch when you actually play it, so you need to rewrite it. Or you notice something wrong with one of your images, so you have to rerender or even repose one of the scenes.

There's actually a lot of work to do with this. Thank you very much for the explanation.
Now it all makes sense.

 

[Jace_Herondale]

I like the game and have no problem with long development times, but there's no hiding from the fact that some of the delays come from Nyx changing the plans and rewriting the game she originally planned. I'm not referring to the rewrite and recode of the earlier episodes but big changes to her original plan for the game that has caused rewrites throughout the development.

Originally Alexis was only meant to be one of the quick fuck options who while providing short-term fun offer nothing but tripwires to the stories of the main characters (like the girl (can't remember the name) who fucks MC just to annoy Cara). Changing her to a main character not only changes the storyline around her but also around Erynn and Layla.

Originally Nikki was meant to be killed by being run over by a car. That not only means rewriting to keep Nikki in the game but also rushes the Cara storyline as they both had to be at the same place when MC makes the decision as to who he wants to be with (if either) between them. Cara being a virgin should have been a slowburn in the same way as Layla, by speeding up the relationship with Cara it intensifies the frustration with slowburns as their virginity can no longer be used as a reason for their slowness to allow sexual contact.

Erynn's story has significantly changed too, the corruption tag on the game was meant to be linked to her and you could team up with Ethan and push her into his plans, while potentially opening her up to be more willing to do stuff with you, or you could white knight and hope to get her as the nice guy. Probably due to potential issues with the anti-NTR brigade Nyx changed her mind about this. This leaves just the nice guy route and also messes up the Zach character as it doesn't matter what his RP is he will still betray MC and contribute to him getting beaten up. If the original plan was still there Zach would just be the facilitator to bring MC and Ethan together to decide which route MC takes with Ethan and Erynn.

Assuming Nyx had a storyboard built for how this game was meant to progress making these significant changes to the game changes the story considerably and the original storyboard would be redundant at this stage. We see this from frequent mentions in devlogs of rewriting scenes she's not happy with and moving scenes around from where she planned to have them as they no longer fit with where the story has gone.

How do you know all this?

 

[anonnyscouse]

How do you know all this?

Nyx has mentioned all of this during development, either back when she was on this site or during her devlogs.

 

[LSC82]

I like the game and have no problem with long development times, but there's no hiding from the fact that some of the delays come from Nyx changing the plans and rewriting the game she originally planned. I'm not referring to the rewrite and recode of the earlier episodes but big changes to her original plan for the game that has caused rewrites throughout the development.

Originally Alexis was only meant to be one of the quick fuck options who while providing short-term fun offer nothing but tripwires to the stories of the main characters (like the girl (can't remember the name) who fucks MC just to annoy Cara). Changing her to a main character not only changes the storyline around her but also around Erynn and Layla.

Originally Nikki was meant to be killed by being run over by a car. That not only means rewriting to keep Nikki in the game but also rushes the Cara storyline as they both had to be at the same place when MC makes the decision as to who he wants to be with (if either) between them. Cara being a virgin should have been a slowburn in the same way as Layla, by speeding up the relationship with Cara it intensifies the frustration with slowburns as their virginity can no longer be used as a reason for their slowness to allow sexual contact.

Erynn's story has significantly changed too, the corruption tag on the game was meant to be linked to her and you could team up with Ethan and push her into his plans, while potentially opening her up to be more willing to do stuff with you, or you could white knight and hope to get her as the nice guy. Probably due to potential issues with the anti-NTR brigade Nyx changed her mind about this. This leaves just the nice guy route and also messes up the Zach character as it doesn't matter what his RP is he will still betray MC and contribute to him getting beaten up. If the original plan was still there Zach would just be the facilitator to bring MC and Ethan together to decide which route MC takes with Ethan and Erynn.

Assuming Nyx had a storyboard built for how this game was meant to progress making these significant changes to the game changes the story considerably and the original storyboard would be redundant at this stage. We see this from frequent mentions in devlogs of rewriting scenes she's not happy with and moving scenes around from where she planned to have them as they no longer fit with where the story has gone.

Seems like the game became a lot less "daring" as it went along, Nyx seems to like her own creations a little too much to see them called bitches or whores... which would inevitably happen if the game stuck to dark stuff.
So every girl is nice and "good" and the game became more vanilla for it.

 

[anonnyscouse]

Seems like the game became a lot less "daring" as it went along, Nyx seems to like her own creations a little too much to see them called bitches or whores... which would inevitably happen if the game stuck to dark stuff.
So every girl is nice and "good" and the game became more vanilla for it.

I think it's more that she becomes too attached to characters, I'm not sure Alexis would have got too much abuse for just being a quick fuck character, every game with slowburns need that type of character to keep the less patient in the fanbase happy. Nikki would have only been a more sympathetic character by being killed off.

If anything the change hurts the character of Erynn, she's in danger of falling into the Maya from BaD level of dislike if she doesn't develop more ownership of the sex tape issue. But because Nyx has become attached to her character she doesn't want to see her hurt which the corruption route would have done. Yes some people would call her a whore, but she'd only be a whore if the player made her one so it wouldn't be a widespread opinion.

 

[Elduriel]

There are multiple steps for an episode:

1. Writing. You have to actually come up with and write all the dialogues. The more various branches and flags your VN has, the harder it is.
2. Rendering static scenes
   • Is it a new location? You need to model it (or reuse a stock asset, there's a reason why every shady back alley in VNs looks the same) and place some stuff around so it looks like a real place and not a theater set
   • Where is the light coming from? Light and shadows make your images pop, but you have to set it up so there's no weird spots anywhere
   • Are there any extras? You need to model them and pose them. It's not that hard as designing and posing your main characters and you can probably reuse some stock faces and clothes, but you still have to do this
   • And then, for every scene, you need to pose your main characters, adjust their expressions, adjust the camera and render a shot. Repeat for every couple of lines. You can reuse transition screens, but people will notice when you start recycling character shots
   • Is one of your characters upside down? Or wet? Is there a strong wind? Why does their hairdo look like it's made of plastic, then?
3. Rendering animations. It's a porn game, so people want to see animations of people fucking. And animations are really hard to render and model: you want physics like inverse kinematics and soft body simulation, or it will look like that scene from Team America. Soft body parts flap each at their own frequency, so you need a longer loop, and a longer loop means more frames to render
4. Putting it all together. Now you actually have to sit down and code the scenes:
   • Show image 12345
   • Have MC say "..."
   • Have MC say "..."
   • Show image 12346
   • Have LI say "..."
   • Have LI say "..."
   • Show image 1237
   • Show menu with choices "A..." and "B..."
   • If A:
     • Add 1 point to some counter
     • Show image 12348a001
     • Have MC say "..."
   • and so on for thousands of lines of dialogue
5. Looking for bugs and redoing your choices. Did you notice I made a mistake in my coding example? You might also realize you need an extra branch because your MC did A, B, but not C. Or some scene just doesn't have the right punch when you actually play it, so you need to rewrite it. Or you notice something wrong with one of your images, so you have to rerender or even repose one of the scenes.

and in this particular game there are lots of branching choices with different outcomes, so the dev needs to account for that as well, meaning a lot more of the same what you just described (compared to a fairly straightforward AVN with a linear plot)