VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13.2] [Nyx]

[LSC82]

My comments:

on point 1: there is nothing more to add here that LSC82 has already said
on point 2: outside my interest
on point 3: this multipath already has the end flag, what it will look like remains to be seen
on point 4: this multipath already has the precursor to the end flag, what it will look like remains to be seen
on point 5: there is only one question here: is John Erynn's father? If so, the conversation between Melissa and Emily will be very interesting (or not). But I assume that Melissa will (again) get involved with John and Emily will return to her real love, Santi.

I'll throw some thoughts about the ones i didn't before(because why the fuck not right ).

Nikki-Cara, MilesEdgeworth said "Nikki/Cara vs Alexis", but to me Nikki/Cara don't feel aimed at any particular girl we can develop a relationship, anything that can be said about them vs Alexis, also applies to Erynn, Layla, Val... nothing ties them to Alexis in particular.
So in a way they are quite a generic "lover from a different town coming to cause havoc with your current boo".
Also goes without saying that they are always discussed as Nikki/Cara and not Nikki and Cara, despite having different personalities the plot points are always the same for both sisters... which makes it feel even more generic.

Val does have specific behaviour tied to Alexis, so far Alexis is the only LI that causes her to behave differently, if she's in a combo with Erynn or Nikki, she's totally unaware.
It will probably end soon however, we already had the option to break up with either girl for the other... i can't see the YOLO choice where you keep messing around with both girls going much further.
The MC even thinks to himself how screwed he is once Layla catches wind of the fact he's dating Val.
He told Val he would break up with Alexis and Alexis of course won't appreciate him being a cheat.
It's a combo that burned bright but will die fast.

And yeah the Melissa-Emily conversation will be hillarious to watch from a distance... and John-Emily certainly won't have a long future since an eventual marriage would block the Erynn(and Iris) path.
The MC moves out of Riverside and splits from Nikki/Cara to protect the Andres-Haley relationship, i think this time John and Emily will be the ones to take a step back for the happyness of their children.

 

[justin.case]

Melissa will (again) get involved with John and Emily will return to her real love, Santi.

I really can't think more boring outcome than this. Also, forgiving Santi who brought that much shit in her life. And yes, I can see it's not what you think it is cliché of Nyx but whatever the reasons he had, he was not there afterwards either.

 

[cooldevo]

I really can't think more boring outcome than this. Also, forgiving Santi who brought that much shit in her life. And yes, I can see it's not what you think it is cliché of Nyx but whatever the reasons he had, he was not there afterwards either.

In the bar, when you sit with him, and drop Emily's name, there's certainly a lot of regret implied in his voice when he says (paraphrased) "Emily... My little Emi." So I wouldn't say 100% that he's over her.

I still think Brooke'll be the better match for her, and the one I push if I have any choice in the matter.

As to him not being there, it's right in the Emily flashback. His parents tried to pay her off to get rid of the baby, and she does not like that. When he confronts her at the beach, it seems like he was unaware of it, but is shut out by Emily.

The big question now is wether Nikki/Cara will call the MC to tell him he's a prick or wait until they arrive next weekend...

That kind of anger and retribution can only be dealt out in person. Over a phone call wouldn't be right. "yell yell yell" <beep>. Can't even slam a phone properly anymore, unlike the good ol' days. And yeah, I may have just dated myself there.

 

[den_tiger]

I wonder.
if you set up John with Emily, would it prevent Santi from getting back with her in the future?

 

[LSC82]

In the bar, when you sit with him, and drop Emily's name, there's certainly a lot of regret implied in his voice when he says (paraphrased) "Emily... My little Emi." So I wouldn't say 100% that he's over her.

I still think Brooke'll be the better match for her, and the one I push if I have any choice in the matter.

As to him not being there, it's right in the Emily flashback. His parents tried to pay her off to get rid of the baby, and she does not like that. When he confronts her at the beach, it seems like he was unaware of it, but is shut out by Emily.

I didn’t see it as regret, but a guy who still has fond memories for the girl he dated when he was young.
The "little Emi" line plus the look on his face when he says that tells me he wants a trip down memory lane.
And of course if Emily goes on the John date, they see each other and Santiago shoots her a text, 100% looking re-spark the flame.
We know from the Gabi route that Santiago is recently divorced.

And yeah Santiago froze at first, told his parents(who either did something without his approval or he's a giant moron when he doesn't understand why Emily doesn't wanna speak with him), but it seems like he was planning on stepping up.
Still didn't try hard enough, right?

That kind of anger and retribution can only be dealt out in person. Over a phone call wouldn't be right. "yell yell yell" <beep>. Can't even slam a phone properly anymore, unlike the good ol' days. And yeah, I may have just dated myself there.

No doubt, it will be much better if they wait and do it in person.

And pressing "end call" on a screen just doesn't hit the same

I wonder.
if you set up John with Emily, would it prevent Santi from getting back with her in the future?

Who knows? But i don't expect much future for John and Emily...
Makes the MCs relationship with Erynn (and Iris) awkward(and forbidden if it keeps going), hurts her best friend Melissa... i think they'll end things pretty soon when they figure out who the "players" are.
Santiago of course, recently divorced, and on the prowl for Emily... and seeing that she has something with John didn’t slow him down.

 

[den_tiger]

Wait, am I remembering it wrong are Santi and Gabi a thing? Isn't Gabi married to an agent?

And I wonder why the dev is keeping Val's mom hidden. It's not like would recognize her?

 

[cooldevo]

I didn’t see it as regret, but a guy who still has fond memories for the girl he dated when he was young.
The "little Emi" line plus the look on his face when he says that tells me he wants a trip down memory lane.
And of course if Emily goes on the John date, they see each other and Santiago shoots her a text, 100% looking re-spark the flame.
We know from the Gabi route that Santiago is recently divorced.

And yeah Santiago froze at first, told his parents(who either did something without his approval or he's a giant moron when he doesn't understand why Emily doesn't wanna speak with him), but it seems like he was planning on stepping up.
Still didn't try hard enough, right?

Hmmm... yeah you may be right. I get the feeling, from the beach flashback, that he didn't understand why Emily was so upset and shut him out. So perhaps that's at play as well.

As my main playthroughs Emily didn't go on the date with John, that would be why I didn't remember that text. But you are correct. Odd, that since he knows she works at the restaurant, they've been in the same town, and they had been talking that he didn't say something sooner. Although maybe seeing her with John may have sparked a bit of jealousy.

Although, at that point in time, he's still (presumably) married to Gabi... something Emily might not be very understanding of.

Wait, am I remembering it wrong are Santi and Gabi a thing? Isn't Gabi married to an agent?

And I wonder why the dev is keeping Val's mom hidden. It's not like would recognize her?

She is married yes, and there is a photo in her house if you are on her path that looks eerily like a wedding photo of Gabi and Santi. The second trip, the photo is gone. There is a story to her path about their relationship.

 

[LSC82]

Wait, am I remembering it wrong are Santi and Gabi a thing? Isn't Gabi married to an agent?

And I wonder why the dev is keeping Val's mom hidden. It's not like would recognize her?

Santiago is the agent, and it seems like they are recently divorced.

Main suspect of being Val's mom is actress Ximena Vergara from the show within a show Entanglement(lots of girls like it, Alexis, Layla, Brooke...).
We've met her when she came to the restaurant, she's also a good friend to Gabi.

No idea what crazy plans Nyx have to be holding back this reveal...
Or she's just so used to hiding identities(like she did with Zo) that she does out of habit?

Hmmm... yeah you may be right. I get the feeling, from the beach flashback, that he didn't understand why Emily was so upset and shut him out. So perhaps that's at play as well.

As my main playthroughs Emily didn't go on the date with John, that would be why I didn't remember that text. But you are correct. Odd, that since he knows she works at the restaurant, they've been in the same town, and they had been talking that he didn't say something sooner. Although maybe seeing her with John may have sparked a bit of jealousy.

Although, at that point in time, he's still (presumably) married to Gabi... something Emily might not be very understanding of.

It certainly seems like seeing Emily with a different dude sparked him into action...
He could've contacted her regardless, but only does after the John date.

She is married yes, and there is a photo in her house if you are on her path that looks eerily like a wedding photo of Gabi and Santi. The second trip, the photo is gone. There is a story to her path about their relationship.

First time we talk to her in class she says she's a married woman.
Their relationship was bad before the game started, Gabi was out drinking in our first encounter out of frustration with him.
At the training camp she's clearly yelling at him over the phone.
Then the giant marriage photo is gone...
And Gabi is going out clubbing with Ximena and having a dinner that Ximena says it's to celebrate(Gabi denies that there's anything to be celebrated).

So it seems like they were married and now they split up.

 

[minibaer12]

And I wonder why the dev is keeping Val's mom hidden. It's not like would recognize her?

No idea what crazy plans Nyx have to be holding back this reveal...
Or she's just so used to hiding identities(like she did with Zo) that she does out of habit?

There is a system in this game. All people whose names are not mentioned are always referred to as "???".

 

[justin.case]

In the bar, when you sit with him, and drop Emily's name, there's certainly a lot of regret implied in his voice when he says (paraphrased) "Emily... My little Emi." So I wouldn't say 100% that he's over her.

I still think Brooke'll be the better match for her, and the one I push if I have any choice in the matter.

As to him not being there, it's right in the Emily flashback. His parents tried to pay her off to get rid of the baby, and she does not like that. When he confronts her at the beach, it seems like he was unaware of it, but is shut out by Emily.

A volleyball drawn a face to it called Wilson will be better than him, so not a big accomplishment on Brooke.

I am not sure you remember the flashbacks as well. Emily told about the baby to him and he fucking ran away then sent his parents. A simple I didn't know can't be true or won't cut it either. Emily, as stupid as she is, can still go for him. After she used Andres to raise MC and now the responsibility is lessened Santi can return their life and be a "father" to MC. That does not change the fact, neither Emily nor Santi is terrible people and them being end up together is boring, cliché, witless end for them. Oh, btw I don't defend Andres at all either, he deserved everything happened to him and more. Though, MC being such an asshole to him is really sad, dude was his father all his life and most of it as a single parent, yet MC cut him off like it was all nothing.

 

[cooldevo]

A volleyball drawn a face to it called Wilson will be better than him, so not a big accomplishment on Brooke.

I am not sure you remember the flashbacks as well. Emily told about the baby to him and he fucking ran away then sent his parents. A simple I didn't know can't be true or won't cut it either. Emily, as stupid as she is, can still go for him. After she used Andres to raise MC and now the responsibility is lessened Santi can return their life and be a "father" to MC. That does not change the fact, neither Emily nor Santi is terrible people and them being end up together is boring, cliché, witless end for them. Oh, btw I don't defend Andres at all either, he deserved everything happened to him and more. Though, MC being such an asshole to him is really sad, dude was his father all his life and most of it as a single parent, yet MC cut him off like it was all nothing.

Santi absolutely did run away when Emily told him. I'm not advocating he was a mature/good person by any means. They were teenagers at the time, so can't always expect rational responses. But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

I *thought* Andres was always in love with Emily as well. Didn't he step in as a husband/father on the condition that Emily never told MC about not being his son.

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.

 

[Elduriel]

But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.

he may not have sent them, but he told them, and they went anyway to get the kid aborted, so there is that. He may or may not know that part, but likely not.

 

[TonyMurray]

Santi absolutely did run away when Emily told him. I'm not advocating he was a mature/good person by any means. They were teenagers at the time, so can't always expect rational responses. But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

I *thought* Andres was always in love with Emily as well. Didn't he step in as a husband/father on the condition that Emily never told MC about not being his son.

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.

Whether it was his idea or his parents, they were definitely involved. I seem to recall they met Emily for lunch or something and tried to buy her off with an envelope of cash.

 

[LSC82]

Wether he knew what his parents did or not will be key reveal for the father son relationship.

Or he can just give me his Porsche, "i love you dad!!!"

 

[cooldevo]

he may not have sent them, but he told them, and they went anyway to get the kid aborted, so there is that. He may or may not know that part, but likely not.

Oh he absolutely did tell them. I think at that age he was just a bit more ignorant than he may be now. A high profile sports agent can't be too slow as social queues when negotiating contracts.

Whether it was his idea or his parents, they were definitely involved. I seem to recall they met Emily for lunch or something and tried to buy her off with an envelope of cash.

They absolutely did try to pay her off with an envelope, you are right. That was was upset her, and even moreso when Santi came up to her at the beach in the next scenes.

 

[minibaer12]

Or he can just give me his Porsche, "i love you dad!!!"

won't happen, his mother didn't take the money, so the son won't take the Porsche! Like mother, like son. Point!

 

[minibaer12]

Wether he knew what his parents did or not will be key reveal for the father son relationship.

That's the crucial question. We don't know yet, but when the MC asks him about it, we'll find out.

 

[valbitterb]

I get the feeling, from the beach flashback, that he didn't understand why Emily was so upset and shut him out. So perhaps that's at play as well.

It certainly seems like seeing Emily with a different dude sparked him into action...
He could've contacted her regardless, but only does after the John date.

and he fucking ran away

won't happen, his mother didn't take the money, so the son won't take the Porsche! Like mother, like son. Point!

Like mother, like son ...





Like father, like son ...

 

[DIKHammer]

Cara vs Nikki was resolved way too quick for it to be a decent intertwinement

Nikki SP on Cara route exists, gonna pop off

 

[justin.case]

Santi absolutely did run away when Emily told him. I'm not advocating he was a mature/good person by any means. They were teenagers at the time, so can't always expect rational responses. But I don't recall any indication he sent his parents. Unless I really missed something somewhere. If that was the case, why would it seem that he was surprised she was so blunt with rejecting him?

I *thought* Andres was always in love with Emily as well. Didn't he step in as a husband/father on the condition that Emily never told MC about not being his son.

My memory must be really shot if that's the case.

Santi ran away as you know, then his parents showed up in front of Emily's door. Emily did not say anything to them, that means Santi told them. He did not reach out to Emily before his family, this means he was not intended to be a father also. So, only logical conclusion was he told his parents Emily is pregnant and he is not planning to be a father. Whether they decided to money thing together or was being solution of his parents matters so little. Btw, they have photos together after the beach scene, so Emily was at least friendly with him. The photo Mel showed to MC that Santi carrying Emily on his shoulder must after pregnancy announcement, because Mel was in it. Emily met Mel after she learned her pregnancy. So, she must have forgave Santi again.

Andres was not in love with Emily at the beginning. Santi cucked him hard with his, iirc, first GF albeit only flirting phase, not real dating stage. So, he hit on Emily as revenge because she was Santi's childhood on/off GF. Emily accepted Andres as a rebound too. Then after the fight about the pregnancy, he promised to take care of the child. Which btw I really don't fucking understand because how would being a stepdaddy to your enemy's child is a revenge. After MC born, he made Emily promise she never see Santi and they are not going to tell MC about his father, nor Santi about MC. It's not clear when Andres was started to feel fatherly towards MC but there was a mention when he first called him father, something changed in him. Emily kept her promise as long as she needed Andres' help then she started to see Santi, also immediately mentioned about MC too and the promise. Santi responded with he is okay with the promise. Another indication he is not interested in being a father to MC, even a decade later. That made Andres furious, which is understandable. It's not clear here but I assume Andres paid all of Santi's student loan as a revenge. Anyway, they divorced he left town and MC. Up until this point, there is no indication neither Emily nor Andres loved each other but Andres loved MC as his son, this is an accepted fact from all 3 sides. Then MC became unruly, whole Erynn thing etc. He was getting in trouble, some problems at school too etc. Emily decided to send MC to Andres as he is the only person MC was obeying to. At the beginning, it was only for a summer. Though, Andres realized MC going back to Emily would only harm him, so he suggested keeping MC long term. Emily reluctantly agreed. Then dude become the single dad to a child he has no blood relation. MC remembers those times fondly too. MC refused to talk to his mother. Never answered the phones, even refused to see her in person when she tried to reconnect. Did I mention MC is huge twat? Anyways, it's the beginning of the game at this point.

So, Santi refused and ran away first time he heard about MC. Then sent his parents. Then refused to see him after almost a decade later. He never intended to be MC's parent. Emily used Andres as long as she needed him. Nobody mentions this but Santi's parents offered money because Emily's financial struggles. Iirc, Emily was estranged with her family. So, she decided to stay with a guy who she never loved to use him to raise a child. Up until the whole Andres cheating on Haley thing, she thought Andres was in love with her and she was okay to use him. She easily broke her promise as soon as she had a chance. I really don't understand why people like Emily around here, she is despicable.