VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Maccabbee]

not even close imo, Erynn 's trauma doesn't really compare that of Charlotte's. Both are bad, but one is def worse than the other.

I wasn't saying otherwise. I am just saying, without us as a catalyst for change, Erynn, if she's lucky, will end up going down a similar path as Char did. The abuse, being forced to either be a prostitute or fuck Ethan (or probably both), she'll have it somewhat worse. Not sure if she'd end up beaten half to death, but the rest of it seems a similar path. Not sure that she'd end up at the peak of the profession, either. Heh. Imagine Ethan as father to the two girls! ugh.

 

[NadaMucho]

Are you telling me there's a crazy erynn out there? Yea Im gonna head over to.... runs

She's not really crazy but Erynn's "trauma" is basically a skinned knee compared to what Charlotte went through.

 

[NadaMucho]

This one is for all you Erynn lovers out there. I hope she finds her dreaming teach algebra to 7th graders.

Oh yeah, t-t-teacher stop that screamin'
Teacher don't you see? Don't wanna be no uptown fool
Maybe I should go to hell but I am doing well
Teacher needs to see me after school

I think of all the education that I've missed
But then my homework was never quite like this

Ow! Got it bad, got it bad, got it bad
I'm hot for teacher

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[MilesEdgeworth]

I would ask you this... would you let someone blackmail you? Especially if the material was you, with the expectation of privacy, having sex with your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband that you didn't shoot and you didn't release? Would that kind of material "ruin your career"?

She's a famous model. Even if the cops in her town are corrupt she could easily go on Entertainment Tonight or whatever and spill the story. That's how you kill blackmail.

I can't see that any different than some paparazzo snapping a dick pic of you in the bathroom and then threatening to put it out there. Would the general public be upset with you for having dick or having sex with your partner? I really doubt it.

How long would a person be allowed to jerk you around before you said enough? How many people would you involve? How much drama would you create? I'm not saying it's unrealistic for a person to feel/behave that way... I just don't care for it. (I'm glad though that she didn't fuck Nathan. I'm hoping for a much different future for that fucker.)

If you're a model having your sex tape leak is a career ender, if you're a teacher, you're pretty much done. Sure, Ethan might be punished, possibly even sued, but Erynn's earning potential and effectiveness at her job goes down substantially.

 

[Dessolos]

If you're a model having your sex tape leak is a career ender, if you're a teacher, you're pretty much done. Sure, Ethan might be punished, possibly even sued, but Erynn's earning potential and effectiveness at her job goes down substantially.

Which is why Erynn can become my Sex Ed teacher if she can't get a job

 

[NadaMucho]

If you're a model having your sex tape leak is a career ender, if you're a teacher, you're pretty much done. Sure, Ethan might be punished, possibly even sued, but Erynn's earning potential and effectiveness at her job goes down substantially.

If it was a sex tape that she shot I'd be more inclined to agree. But a creeper, peeper spy video? That could happen to anyone, anywhere. I feel that people would see her as a victim (which she is) rather than some unemployable sex fiend. Then again... as someone said recently... the world is not fair.

 

[MiltonPowers]

If it was a sex tape that she shot I'd be more inclined to agree. But a creeper, peeper spy video? That could happen to anyone, anywhere. I feel that people would see her as a victim (which she is) rather than some unemployable sex fiend. Then again... as someone said recently... the world is not fair.

That football reporter in America did that. Illegally filmed in hotel room. Met it all head on and sued the hotel for the privacy breach. She was more famous than Erynn, but it certainly made the public see her as the victim. Her name was Erin too.

 

[Maccabbee]

That football reporter in America did that. Illegally filmed in hotel room. Met it all head on and sued the hotel for the privacy breach. She was more famous than Erynn, but it certainly made the public see her as the victim. Her name was Erin too.

Reporters are not teachers.

 

[MiltonPowers]

Reporters are not teachers.

I'm aware of that. We were talking about Erynn making sure people know she is the victim. In the real world, if Erynn was to lose her job because of something done illegally to her that she had no control over, she would have no trouble winning a case for unfair dismissal.

 

[Maccabbee]

I'm aware of that. We were talking about Erynn making sure people know she is the victim. In the real world, if Erynn was to lose her job because of something done illegally to her that she had no control over, she would have no trouble winning a case for unfair dismissal.

Except she isn't a teacher yet, she is a model, using the money to fund her education to get to her goal. You can't sue for a career that you never get to have.

 

[NadaMucho]

Except she isn't a teacher yet, she is a model, using the money to fund her education to get to her goal. You can't sue for a career that you never get to have.

She wouldn't have to sue. The public and proactive route might even increase your desirability at some schools. I can't see a school saying "we're not hiring her because she was stalked, violated and exploited". Then again... world.. fair.. .etc.

 

[Maccabbee]

She wouldn't have to sue. The public and proactive route might even increase your desirability at some schools. I can't see a school saying "we're not hiring her because she was stalked, violated and exploited". Then again... world.. fair.. .etc.

I don't know what world you're living in, but no school in the US would do that. They expect teachers to be puritan saints or married matrons. It's like Little House on the Prairie still. I guess it's in reaction to all the sex scandals, but it's ridiculous.

 

[NadaMucho]

I don't know what world you're living in, but no school in the US would do that. They expect teachers to be puritan saints or married matrons. It's like Little House on the Prairie still. I guess it's in reaction to all the sex scandals, but it's ridiculous.

I live in California where we have a severe teacher shortage. Denying employment to someone for the "Erynn situation" would be the same as denying employment for someone who was raped. We're dying for teachers here so I don't think being the victim of a crime would affect your chances. But we're just bouncing the smack ball back and forth so who really knows.

 

[jadepaladin]

I'm pretty sure the school district I grew up in would hire Erynn in a heartbeat. They hired worse. All depends on supply and demand.

 

[Maccabbee]

I live in California where we have a severe teacher shortage. Denying employment to someone for the "Erynn situation" would be the same as denying employment for someone who was raped. We're dying for teachers here so I don't think being the victim of a crime would affect your chances. But we're just bouncing the smack ball back and forth so who really knows.

I'm pretty sure the school district I grew up in would hire Erynn in a heartbeat. They hired worse. All depends on supply and demand.

Look, I know we're beating a dead horse right now, but no public school would hire someone with a sex tape. They fire them publicly if one comes out. They would hire worse if that is secret, but most also wouldn't hire a professional model or actor. The notoriety would be a problem, attention of the press and paparazzo. Schools don't want that.

 

[jadepaladin]

Look, I know we're beating a dead horse right now, but no public school would hire someone with a sex tape. They fire them publicly if one comes out. They would hire worse if that is secret, but most also wouldn't hire a professional model or actor. The notoriety would be a problem, attention of the press and paparazzo. Schools don't want that.

You don't know anything about the district I was in. Erynn would seem like a saint comparatively. I get how school is supposed to go but that's not how it works everywhere, especially in the smaller districts. They take what they can get. When the alternative is literally not having a person fill the role, they take what they can get. It's why programs like Teach for America exist, to try to get qualified teachers into the areas they need them. My junior/senior English teacher was placed in our district from that program. Meanwhile my Spanish teacher was literally someone barely a couple of years older than me who didn't know any Spanish. We had a teacher get in trouble for carrying on campus after a shooting but not get fired over it. The world just doesn't work the way it likes to say it does.

 

[valbitterb]

This thread never fails to surprise me.

The older anti-Erynn posts would just hate on her and victim blame. (There's more nuance now from players who don't like her or her parh.)

Now people are discussing her teaching employment and career prospects in light of Ethan's blackmail.

Cool.

Not something I would ever predict adding to the F95 Intertwined Bingo Card: Erynn Employable Vs. Erynn Not Employable

(But then again I once logged onto this thread and ended up reading a few pages of people discussing penis and vagina sizes.)

 

[LSC82]

1. You're right, he doesn't, but MC can't get mad at her about Ethan when he wasn't even willing to tell her when he was in town. Especially when he spent years ignoring her for shit she didn't even do
2. I'm reasonably sure that not telling him she was best friends with her crush also adversely affected his relationship with Erynn in the short term. The decision to continue the relationship, given all the information, was taken out of his hands.
3. Key phrase: when he was asleep. In neither of those two interactions, when he's awake, does she even hint at either of those two things. She's well aware that he's a different person and treats him as such.
4. She does follow through, just because she doesn't go all the way doesn't make her immature.
Her naivety in believing that if she gives Ethan what he wants short of sex is what got her in over her head. Has she had immature moments? Sure but that wasn't one of them.
I will agree with you that the MC is teaching her to open up more because before that she was closed off as hell. But that's more of a psychological issue than a maturity one.

I'll just add this:

The MC does owe friend cortesy to Erynn, a lot of cortesy, he has been stonewalling this girl for years and yet she still wants to reconnect, THAT'S FUCKING AMAZING!!!!
Given the information that we now know about the way he stonewalled her for the last few years, if Erynn reacted to the MC with complete indifference, i wouldn't blame her, not even a little bit.
This is an old friend trying very hard to reconnect, despite the MC being an asshole to her for years... and yet he "owes her nothing", seriously what kinda person thinks like that? One that is a terrible friend honestly.

"Ah she hangs out with Ethan..." i won't even bring the fact that she's being blackmailed, there's no need for it.
Erynn is well within her rights to hang out with whomever she wants... We don't get to decide who our friends hang out with.
If the MC thinks that Erynn should stop hanging out with Ethan, he needs to sit down and explain to her why, why he's a bad guy, the things he did...
Even then people might still disagree, they might see things differently, might think it's not a case for completely cutting the other guy off...
But at least after the talk he would have solid grounds to say "if that's your decision... i guess this is it for us".

This isn't even about Erynn, we don't have to go through any of that because Erynn hates him too, more than the MC.
This is just common sense of having friends, who have other friends, including someone you may think is a huuuuge douche...
Can you imagine if a character, any character, went "I want you to stop talking with Layla, i don't like her" and gave no further reasons?

The fun part is that Erynn isn't making any of these demands to the MC, she's just happy he's here.
The MC is the one that after 5 years comes around still pissed off and considering UNNACEPTABLE that Erynn is "friends" with a guy he hates.

In my opinion the Erynn relationship grows up very naturally, it's not dumped on the players by surprise.
At first she just wants to be friends again(and we have plenty of options for simply staying friends), she even fights and tries to deny the attraction she's feeling... until she can't fight it anymore and they start making out and eventually dating.

Sometimes i wonder if people actually play her route? Or just go "ahh she's annoying" in the first 5 minutes and never try again?

that is quite literally not how trauma works.

from her perspective, the one and only time she was intimate with someone, it was recorded by some psycho, and used as emotional, and physical blackmail against her. She's hardly going to be jumping into bed with more people. She's said multiple times, and shown multiple times that she wants more, but her trauma response kicks in and the wall goes up. Healing from trauma (or any mental ailment) isn't a linear A-B process, it's up and down, some days are easier, some days it feels like it's crushing you.

Fwiw, I suspect she also attempts to tell MC about both Ethan and the situation multiple times, but the time never works, for example MC has to excuse himself after they talk about the laughing situation.

Is she a flawed character, yeah. But so are the rest of the love interests. That's what makes good, deep characters.

EDIT: Started writing this before the conversation ended. My bad y'all. Least it's stayed respectful



Exactly. She physically fights back multiple times against Ethan, the only time she doesn't is when they have the plan with John.

I don't think i have anything to add... just kudos

 

[Dessolos]

I'll just add this:

The MC does owe friend cortesy to Erynn, a lot of cortesy, he has been stonewalling this girl for years and yet she still wants to reconnect, THAT'S FUCKING AMAZING!!!!
Given the information that we now know about the way he stonewalled her for the last few years, if Erynn reacted to the MC with complete indifference, i wouldn't blame her, not even a little bit.
This is an old friend trying very hard to reconnect, despite the MC being an asshole to her for years... and yet he "owes her nothing", seriously what kinda person thinks like that? One that is a terrible friend honestly.

"Ah she hangs out with Ethan..." i won't even bring the fact that she's being blackmailed, there's no need for it.
Erynn is well within her rights to hang out with whomever she wants... We don't get to decide who our friends hang out with.
If the MC thinks that Erynn should stop hanging out with Ethan, he needs to sit down and explain to her why, why he's a bad guy, the things he did...
Even then people might still disagree, they might see things differently, might think it's not a case for completely cutting the other guy off...
But at least after the talk he would have solid grounds to say "if that's your decision... i guess this is it for us".

This isn't even about Erynn, we don't have to go through any of that because Erynn hates him too, more than the MC.
This is just common sense of having friends, who have other friends, including someone you may think is a huuuuge douche...
Can you imagine if a character, any character, went "I want you to stop talking with Layla, i don't like her" and gave no further reasons?

The fun part is that Erynn isn't making any of these demands to the MC, she's just happy he's here.
The MC is the one that after 5 years comes around still pissed off and considering UNNACEPTABLE that Erynn is "friends" with a guy he hates.

In my opinion the Erynn relationship grows up very naturally, it's not dumped on the players by surprise.
At first she just wants to be friends again(and we have plenty of options for simply staying friends), she even fights and tries to deny the attraction she's feeling... until she can't fight it anymore and they start making out and eventually dating.

Sometimes i wonder if people actually play her route? Or just go "ahh she's annoying" in the first 5 minutes and never try again?



I don't think i have anything to add... just kudos

man very well said could of not said it any better myself I suck at explaining things tbh but I kind of thought the same thing when I read those post earlier.

 

[Malicre]

Look, I know we're beating a dead horse right now, but no public school would hire someone with a sex tape. They fire them publicly if one comes out. They would hire worse if that is secret, but most also wouldn't hire a professional model or actor. The notoriety would be a problem, attention of the press and paparazzo. Schools don't want that.

I honestly think it depends on what education level you teach at. Doubt any teacher is actually going to get fired over a sex tape if they teach pre k - k or elementary level schools but if they are teaching middle / high i could definitely see it happening. There was a teacher from mississippi that got fired for having an onlyfans but she had actual porn on there and was a highschool teacher.

And let's not even not even deal with college professors marrying their students because that shit happens all the time. A sex tape scandal would be the least of their worries.

So again it really does come down to what education level she wants to teach at.