JeSinclair

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not gonna lie alot of this is hard for me to agree with but I can see your point of view. I only say this because I have a very passive and introvert personality and that's how I tend to look at alot of things. But if I wasn't I can somewhat see where you are coming from.
Everyone has a right to feel the way they do, this just happens to be my take.

That's part of why I love this game - when you really dig into the layers - everyone is quite flawed. Its just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?
What's funny is I am both an introvert and extrovert at the same time.
I can be alone for hours or days and be just fine(see Covid, everyone went stir crazy. Me? I got tons of repair work done in the house and couldn't have been more content.) Or I can be at a party with lots of people, and sometimes you will have to tell me to lower my voice or just plain old shut up.
I can dance in both worlds and not be bothered.
 

MilesEdgeworth

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All of this is why I find Erynn 'dangerously' naive, and immature.

Erynn is naive sexually, as she has only had the one partner in Zane.
This *leads* to immaturity in her interactions with the MC in the sexual situations they find themselves in if you go down that route.

She's also looking at the MC as the 13 year old who left(for a good portion of time at the beginning). She froze him in time on an emotional level, even when she's acknowledging his physical growth and changes. That is an immature thing to do because shes kept the MC in her head as her friend of yesteryear, without taking a little time to get to know the man in front of her.

I'd even argue that she was dangerously immature with herself because of Ethan.
She knows MC hates Ethan because of the way Ethan treats/bullies the MC.
She herself has both witnessed it on the day of the confession *AND* before that.
Her words in the scene were (to paraphrase) "Why do you always bully him?"
Where Ethan responds with a flip "What? Why not? It's funny."
"ALWAYS" implies she has seen this behavior multiple times or at the very least, more than once.
She knows Ethan is a douche while she is 15/16. And she allowed the relationship with him to continue. Now I can't speak for others, but when I know someone is a POS, as long as I'm not related to them, I cut them out with no second thought.

The modelling gig brought Ethan back into the fold of Erynns life so she had a choice: Find another agency or keep with the one that Ethan family is involved in. She chose the latter. I won't blame her for making a business decision when MC wasn't even in the picture. That's smart and can't be second guessed.

Keeping it from the MC *and* knowing he won't be ok with it, and still expecting the MC to just be Ok with it because Erynn is trying desperately to reconnect with the MC is NOT mature.
Now someone might say, that's a double standard because Lexi lies to the MC and I'm OK with it.
I *am not OK with Lexi lying.* However, I am ok with being given the choice to hear her out and forgive her later.
Lexi's lie directly involves two people the MC cares about. While that sucks, MC has no bad blood outside of the lie with either.

We(the player) are only given the chance to forgive Erynn after learning firsthand that she is still involved with the person who has tormented the MC. Of all the shortcomings MC has - his feelings regarding Ethan are unequivocally correct.
That's a tough pill to swallow, and definitely one I can't forgive easy.
If someone hurts me(lies to me) like Lexi, I can forgive but I sure won't forget.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. If Lexi were to screw up again its a done deal.
But if someone lies to me about still being involved with someone who tormented emotionally and physically assaulted me, that's really tough to forgive. And someone who does that, at best I am wary of.

I think it's immature of Erynn to have worked in modeling, had all the bad things that have happened to her because of Ethan, and still expect the MC to be like, "All good, no worries."
I think it's immature of Erynn to act as flirty with MC and constantly looking for compliments, without having an idea of how it might be perceived by the MC.
I think it is immature of Erynn to not make tough decisions about the situation she has let spiral out of control until MC shows up.

All of these only start to change *AFTER* MC is in the picture. And that to me is the biggest flag of immaturity - she needs MC to set her on the right course instead of figuring it out, like most people have to do in life.

And damn, I really enjoy talking about this game. Even if no one agrees with me, I just enjoy a good chat about this game. :)
1. MC abandoned her and had everybody, including her mother, keep his return from her. She don't owe him shit in terms of information. As far as we know, Ethan treated her well until he didn't and then they had a blackmail situation. i.e. she got in over her head.
2. Excusing Lexi's lie while calling out Erryn for not telling MC she was still involved with Ethan and the extent of that involvement is crazy,
3. Who said that she saw MC as that thirteen-year-old boy? The point of that question game that they've been playing is to learn more about the current him.
4. In what way is it immature of Erynn to act flirty with MC? If he doesn't like it he can easily tell her to stop it.

Im not sure how the onus for her interactions with the MC are all on her when the MC shut her out of his life from the time he left till the time she saw him in the bar.

Yes she was naive to get in way over her head, but does that have to do with maturity issues? no, it is life experience and her dealing with an obsessed ex- friend.
 
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Everyone has a right to feel the way they do, this just happens to be my take.

That's part of why I love this game - when you really dig into the layers - everyone is quite flawed. Its just a matter of how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?
What's funny is I am both an introvert and extrovert at the same time.
I can be alone for hours or days and be just fine(see Covid, everyone went stir crazy. Me? I got tons of repair work done in the house and couldn't have been more content.) Or I can be at a party with lots of people, and sometimes you will have to tell me to lower my voice or just plain old shut up.
I can dance in both worlds and not be bothered.
:rolleyes: That's called being plain jane normal. It's as impossible to be both an introvert and an extrovert as it is to be a switch. If you're not one label or the other, you're just, well, nothing.

You're just you,. nothing special, just average everyday like most folk.
 
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LSC82

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In Erynn i see a person who has suffered through a lot and deserves a second chance.
We never see her do anything with the intent to hurt or deceive, and she's an old friend who cares a lot about the MC(and misses him dearly), so i think she's deserving of trust.
She's certainly troubled when the game starts, but i see her growing as a person, learning to trust again, learning to love again.

And if after reconnecting with her things go further than basic friendship, why not?

Erynn is sort of like Charlotte in Hillside, but before things get too crazy wrong. We can fix her! Prevent the tragedy!
That's an interesting one ;)
 
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It's not 100% related to what you said but I think there is some overlap with Erynn being both naïve and immature. She's certainly maturing throughout the story. It's not like I ever said she was wholly one or the other. You can be naive and it leads to immature decisions. You can be mature and naïve. I'd definitely say she's more mature than Alexis or Layla.
You are absolutely correct. Mature people can make immature choices, and vice versa. And that very likely contributed to the flashback scene.

A lack of maturity to realize you can't change someone (after several failed tries) that doesn't want to change, being too close to the situation, allowing her emotions and anger at Ethan to override what she should have done, and her desire to defend the MC to Ethan, all contributed to what became a rapidly devolving situation for her.

Now the MC's temper tantrum, taking Ethan's word about what Erynn "wants", and allowing his anger to fester for a period of time... even years after he left town, certainly didn't help. Most of that flashback scene can probably be chalked up to teenagers making a number of bad decisions.
 

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1. MC abandoned her and had everybody, including her mother, keep his return from her. She don't owe him shit in terms of information. As far as we know, Ethan treated her well until he didn't and then they had a blackmail situation. i.e. she got in over her head.
2. Excusing Lexi's lie while calling out Erryn for not telling MC she was still involved with Ethan and the extent of that involvement is crazy,
3. Who said that she saw MC as that thirteen-year-old boy? The point of that question game that they've been playing is to learn more about the current him.
4. In what way is it immature of Erynn to act flirty with MC? If he doesn't like it he can easily tell her to stop it.

Im not sure how the onus for her interactions with the MC are all on her when the MC shut her out of his life from the time he left till the time she saw him in the bar.

Yes she was naive to get in way over her head, but does that have to do with maturity issues? no, it is life experience and her dealing with an obsessed ex- friend.
1: If she doesn't owe him anything, then by the same token of logic, he also doesn't owe her anything either.
If he's her friend, the friend she wants him to be, doesn't knowing how he hates Ethan and for good reason, she actually need to tell him sooner rather than later?
2: Again, not excusing her lie. I choose to forgive it. As the player, you are not given the choice to learn about Ethan and Erynn still being involved (whatever kind of relationship) together. You run into it at her apartment first (when he seems off put to be sure its Ethan, but I think he knows and chooses to ignore it) and then again outside the diner. Now, my MC doesn't care for Erynn that way, but the way it plays out MC definitely has strong feelings for Erynn whether or not romantic, that's debatable, but he feels a sense of betrayal from Erynn where Ethan is involved. Mind you, this is before learning the truth about what happened the day of his proclamation of love for Erynn. Its a justified feeling of betrayal in the moment.
Lexis lie is towards the MC, but her betrayal is toward Erynn. That's her bridge to burn and mend. Not MC's.
Erynns lie is directly towards the MC given how he feels where Ethan is involved.
There's a clear distinction there. Minute? Maybe, but it is there.
3: Her actions show that, with all of her proclamations in bed when he is sleeping and she states:
"You are the only boy who can sleep in my bed."
"I still owe you an answer."
Both of these statements are clearly talk about the past (5 years prior) as if it was a couple days ago.
And since you brought up the question game, she purposely avoids certain questions about her current status. MC does the same, so in this vain, both act immature.
4. Its immature of her to act flirty if shes not willing to see it through. This is actually one of my real gripes. I hear a lot about how she loves him as a friend and is afraid to lose the friendship by trying more.
The mature response is to make a choice and act.
Choose the friendship and keep it sacred.
Choose for something more and see it through and ACCEPT whatever consequences that brings.
She keeps staying somewhere in between and that is not ok.

MC is no saint. He's a short tempered baby who runs away and doesn't listen. Where Ethan is concerned though, I have MC's back like Nate.
Erynns naivety may have started the situation with Ethan. Her immaturity is what keeps her stuck in it instead of making tough choices before the MC arrives.
Life experience is when you make those tough choices and live with the consequences. She only chooses to do that once the MC is around. She's maturing because of the MC but she is not mature without him.
 

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:rolleyes: That's called being plain jane normal. It's as impossible to be both an introvert and an extrovert as it is to be a switch. If you're not one label or the other, you're just, well, nothing.

You're just you,. nothing special, just average everyday like most folk.
LOL!
And here I thought I was special. Guess I'll take normal and sit in the corner.
 
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1: If she doesn't owe him anything, then by the same token of logic, he also doesn't owe her anything either.
If he's her friend, the friend she wants him to be, doesn't knowing how he hates Ethan and for good reason, she actually need to tell him sooner rather than later?
2: Again, not excusing her lie. I choose to forgive it. As the player, you are not given the choice to learn about Ethan and Erynn still being involved (whatever kind of relationship) together. You run into it at her apartment first (when he seems off put to be sure its Ethan, but I think he knows and chooses to ignore it) and then again outside the diner. Now, my MC doesn't care for Erynn that way, but the way it plays out MC definitely has strong feelings for Erynn whether or not romantic, that's debatable, but he feels a sense of betrayal from Erynn where Ethan is involved. Mind you, this is before learning the truth about what happened the day of his proclamation of love for Erynn. Its a justified feeling of betrayal in the moment.
Lexis lie is towards the MC, but her betrayal is toward Erynn. That's her bridge to burn and mend. Not MC's.
Erynns lie is directly towards the MC given how he feels where Ethan is involved.
There's a clear distinction there. Minute? Maybe, but it is there.
3: Her actions show that, with all of her proclamations in bed when he is sleeping and she states:
"You are the only boy who can sleep in my bed."
"I still owe you an answer."
Both of these statements are clearly talk about the past (5 years prior) as if it was a couple days ago.
And since you brought up the question game, she purposely avoids certain questions about her current status. MC does the same, so in this vain, both act immature.
4. Its immature of her to act flirty if shes not willing to see it through. This is actually one of my real gripes. I hear a lot about how she loves him as a friend and is afraid to lose the friendship by trying more.
The mature response is to make a choice and act.
Choose the friendship and keep it sacred.
Choose for something more and see it through and ACCEPT whatever consequences that brings.
She keeps staying somewhere in between and that is not ok.

MC is no saint. He's a short tempered baby who runs away and doesn't listen. Where Ethan is concerned though, I have MC's back like Nate.
Erynns naivety may have started the situation with Ethan. Her immaturity is what keeps her stuck in it instead of making tough choices before the MC arrives.
Life experience is when you make those tough choices and live with the consequences. She only chooses to do that once the MC is around. She's maturing because of the MC but she is not mature without him.
1. You're right, he doesn't, but MC can't get mad at her about Ethan when he wasn't even willing to tell her when he was in town. Especially when he spent years ignoring her for shit she didn't even do
2. I'm reasonably sure that not telling him she was best friends with her crush also adversely affected his relationship with Erynn in the short term. The decision to continue the relationship, given all the information, was taken out of his hands.
3. Key phrase: when he was asleep. In neither of those two interactions, when he's awake, does she even hint at either of those two things. She's well aware that he's a different person and treats him as such.
4. She does follow through, just because she doesn't go all the way doesn't make her immature.
Her naivety in believing that if she gives Ethan what he wants short of sex is what got her in over her head. Has she had immature moments? Sure but that wasn't one of them.
I will agree with you that the MC is teaching her to open up more because before that she was closed off as hell. But that's more of a psychological issue than a maturity one.
 
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1. You're right, he doesn't, but MC can't get mad at her about Ethan when he wasn't even willing to tell her when he was in town. Especially when he spent years ignoring her for shit she didn't even do
2. I'm reasonably sure that not telling him she was best friends with her crush also adversely affected his relationship with Erynn in the short term. The decision to continue the relationship, given all the information, was taken out of his hands.
3. Key phrase: when he was asleep. In neither of those two interactions, when he's awake, does she even hint at either of those two things. She's well aware that he's a different person and treats him as such.
4. She does follow through, just because she doesn't go all the way doesn't make her immature.
Her naivety in believing that if she gives Ethan what he wants short of sex is what got her in over her head. Has she had immature moments? Sure but that wasn't one of them.
I will agree with you that the MC is teaching her to open up more because before that she was closed off as hell. But that's more of a psychological issue than a maturity one.
1) Agreed provisionally: We have to talk about the hear and now. He may have ignored her for years (which makes him a douche as well) but if she cares as much for MC as she clearly states, how did she really think he was going to react when he learned it? As a mature person knows, better to get in front of it as best you can rather than let it fester. If you are going to hold Lexi to task about lying to MC and Erynn, Erynn has to be held to task about keeping her ongoing relationship with Ethan as well. It can't be one and not the other. Erynns lie directly hurts MC, Lexi's does not.

2) I won't argue that, I think that's a fair point that I have to give more thought to.

3) As the player, we know so its hard to give her a pass on that. But while I don't agree, I do see your point.

4) I we can agree to disagree on this one.

And make no mistake, I really don't hate Erynn. I think shes someone who is as damaged if not more so than the other characters in the game.
Some people go for that... I tend to want a capable partner. Not someone who I have to carry.
 
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Some people go for that... I tend to want a capable partner. Not someone who I have to carry.
No way I can really jump into y'all's detailed Erynn analysis but JeSinclair right here mirrors my feelings. I never liked the whole Erynn line. I don't think she's an attractive character and it seems that the only reason "kid MC" liked her in the first place is because he thinks she's pretty.

Folks talk about her being damaged but she seems to bring that on herself. Her personality seems to be that of a 13 year old girl. She doesn't fight, she doesn't stand up for herself, she doesn't seem to make any effort to change her situation. "Booo hooo poor me everything is terrible I can't this, I can't that." She doesn't seem (to me) to treat the MC like a potential romantic partner, she treats him like an emotional support object.

I get that some folks like her render. I get that she fires the "white knight" in some folks but there's only so much "helplessness" that I can take. No one would call me religious but there is the old quote "The lord helps those that help themselves" and in this case... she's lacking. Not saying folks shouldn't like that... I just don't like it. :)

Excuse me for intruding into y'alls much higher level discussion. Peace. :)
 

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No way I can really jump into y'all's detailed Erynn analysis but JeSinclair right here mirrors my feelings. I never liked the whole Erynn line. I don't think she's an attractive character and it seems that the only reason "kid MC" liked her in the first place is because he thinks she's pretty.

Folks talk about her being damaged but she seems to bring that on herself. Her personality seems to be that of a 13 year old girl. She doesn't fight, she doesn't stand up for herself, she doesn't seem to make any effort to change her situation. "Booo hooo poor me everything is terrible I can't this, I can't that." She doesn't seem (to me) to treat the MC like a potential romantic partner, she treats him like an emotional support object.

I get that some folks like her render. I get that she fires the "white knight" in some folks but there's only so much "helplessness" that I can take. No one would call me religious but there is the old quote "The lord helps those that help themselves" and in this case... she's lacking. Not saying folks shouldn't like that... I just don't like it. :)

Excuse me for intruding into y'alls much higher level discussion. Peace. :)
I like erynn but i suspect a girl with her decision making skills ends up in some kind of drug den or cheap porn bizz in reality lol
 

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1) Agreed provisionally: We have to talk about the hear and now. He may have ignored her for years (which makes him a douche as well) but if she cares as much for MC as she clearly states, how did she really think he was going to react when he learned it? As a mature person knows, better to get in front of it as best you can rather than let it fester. If you are going to hold Lexi to task about lying to MC and Erynn, Erynn has to be held to task about keeping her ongoing relationship with Ethan as well. It can't be one and not the other. Erynns lie directly hurts MC, Lexi's does not.

2) I won't argue that, I think that's a fair point that I have to give more thought to.

3) As the player, we know so its hard to give her a pass on that. But while I don't agree, I do see your point.

4) I we can agree to disagree on this one.

And make no mistake, I really don't hate Erynn. I think shes someone who is as damaged if not more so than the other characters in the game.
Some people go for that... I tend to want a capable partner. Not someone who I have to carry.
Well argued, no point in going round anymore, I feel we both got our points across

I agree that Erynn is damaged but to be fair if she wasn't she definitely wouldn't have been available when MC got back. I disagree that we have to carry her. We'd have to do the same things for her regardless of who our LI is except gabi or tori.

No way I can really jump into y'all's detailed Erynn analysis but JeSinclair right here mirrors my feelings. I never liked the whole Erynn line. I don't think she's an attractive character and it seems that the only reason "kid MC" liked her in the first place is because he thinks she's pretty.

Folks talk about her being damaged but she seems to bring that on herself. Her personality seems to be that of a 13 year old girl. She doesn't fight, she doesn't stand up for herself, she doesn't seem to make any effort to change her situation. "Booo hooo poor me everything is terrible I can't this, I can't that." She doesn't seem (to me) to treat the MC like a potential romantic partner, she treats him like an emotional support object.

I get that some folks like her render. I get that she fires the "white knight" in some folks but there's only so much "helplessness" that I can take. No one would call me religious but there is the old quote "The lord helps those that help themselves" and in this case... she's lacking. Not saying folks shouldn't like that... I just don't like it. :)

Excuse me for intruding into y'alls much higher level discussion. Peace. :)
I assume you don't follow her path. If anything, shes the same as a friend or girlfriend; nothing changes except the makeout scenes. Other than helping her with Ethan, which the MC does of his own accord. Is that considered using?
If she didn't fight or stand up for herself, she'd have already fucked Ethan since that would be the easiest road for her to take.
 

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Choose for something more and see it through and ACCEPT
that is quite literally not how trauma works.

from her perspective, the one and only time she was intimate with someone, it was recorded by some psycho, and used as emotional, and physical blackmail against her. She's hardly going to be jumping into bed with more people. She's said multiple times, and shown multiple times that she wants more, but her trauma response kicks in and the wall goes up. Healing from trauma (or any mental ailment) isn't a linear A-B process, it's up and down, some days are easier, some days it feels like it's crushing you.

Fwiw, I suspect she also attempts to tell MC about both Ethan and the situation multiple times, but the time never works, for example MC has to excuse himself after they talk about the laughing situation.

Is she a flawed character, yeah. But so are the rest of the love interests. That's what makes good, deep characters.

EDIT: Started writing this before the conversation ended. My bad y'all. Least it's stayed respectful :LOL:

If she didn't fight or stand up for herself, she'd have already fucked Ethan since that would be the easiest road for her to take.
Exactly. She physically fights back multiple times against Ethan, the only time she doesn't is when they have the plan with John.
 

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If she didn't fight or stand up for herself, she'd have already fucked Ethan since that would be the easiest road for her to take.
I would ask you this... would you let someone blackmail you? Especially if the material was you, with the expectation of privacy, having sex with your boyfriend/girlfriend/wife/husband that you didn't shoot and you didn't release? Would that kind of material "ruin your career"?

She's a famous model. Even if the cops in her town are corrupt she could easily go on Entertainment Tonight or whatever and spill the story. That's how you kill blackmail.

I can't see that any different than some paparazzo snapping a dick pic of you in the bathroom and then threatening to put it out there. Would the general public be upset with you for having dick or having sex with your partner? I really doubt it.

How long would a person be allowed to jerk you around before you said enough? How many people would you involve? How much drama would you create? I'm not saying it's unrealistic for a person to feel/behave that way... I just don't care for it. (I'm glad though that she didn't fuck Nathan. I'm hoping for a much different future for that fucker.)
 

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Would that kind of material "ruin your career"?
Modelling isn't what she wants to do, she wants to be a teacher. Modelling was just a side job to supplement her income.

So yes, it's mentioned in game that no school would hire her if this content was around.

Entertainment Tonight or whatever and spill the story. That's how you kill blackmail.
See previous point.

Could it reach a point where she says fuck it, and leans into it, ala Kardashian's. But there's nothing to suggest she's a fame whore or anything
 
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Modelling isn't what she wants to do, she wants to be a teacher. Modelling was just a side job to supplement her income.

So yes, it's mentioned in game that no school would hire her if this content was around.

See previous point.

Could it reach a point where she says fuck it, and leans into it, ala Kardashian's. But there's nothing to suggest she's a fame whore or anything
It being mentioned that no school would hire her and it being the actual case are two different thing. I'm not saying she's a fame whore I'm saying she has access to media.

"Enthan Fuckface, I guy I knew in high school peeped into my window and made a secret recording of private time between me and my boyfriend. He's now blackmailing me into becoming a prostitute and he's personal sex toy." End of blackmail.

Alternately she could just say "go head and do it" which a blackmailer isn't really going to do because he loses all his power the moment he does it.

I know we can ping pong this back and forth but I guess, in the end, it's another subjective personal preference. I need quite a bit more grit and effort to be interested. I like to help and I can be a white knight when inspired but for me she's just a limp noodle. No shade, just personal opinion. :)
 
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