LSC82

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To be fair, he isn't all bad. If you are one of the three people in the world who picked option to hang out with him after Erynn drama (instead of getting drunk and hooking up with your teacher, or coming back to Erynn asap like the perfect little simp) you can have a completely normal hang out with him, where MC and Zach just do guy things and have a good time.

He suffers quite a bit from being a convenient device for the narrative to make MC look better in comparison, and honestly, the way MC acts towards him most of the time doesn't paint the MC like a good friend, either -- he basically never tries to actually talk with Zach and let him know the stuff he's doing is wrong, and is instead much more keen to just dunk on the guy in his internal monologues. Meantime, we can see that Zach can listen and takes things to heart every now and then. Like, when the girls explain to him why he shouldn't just presume things without asking.
He is often used as the dumb guy so the MC can look better, that's true.

But, i don't agree with anything else.
Meantime, we can see that Zach can listen and takes things to heart every now and then. Like, when the girls explain to him why he shouldn't just presume things without asking.
I honestly haven't seen much progression from this, every girl tells him this and he never stops being pushy, loud and annoying the girls.
And of course he still treats them as objects to be acquired.

The fact that Tori shuts him down without even saying his name is her most redeeming quality :ROFLMAO:

funny enough Zack isn't my most hated "best friend" anymore and I use that term loosely. My most hated friend type of character isn't even a POS he is just so damn annoying I actually would prefer to have Zack over him.
Yeah, I hate Zach, but he is not as bad as the worst best friend in the history of AVN, whose game I'm not sure if I could state in this thread.
Jeez who could be worst than Zach...

And Rucandel_ i think you can mention something for comparison, as long as we don't turn this into a discussion of this other game i think it's fine... but i'm not a moderator or friends with any of them, so thread lightly :ROFLMAO:
 

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He is often used as the dumb guy so the MC can look better, that's true.

But, i don't agree with anything else.


I honestly haven't seen much progression from this, every girl tells him this and he never stops being pushy, loud and annoying the girls.
And of course he still treats them as objects to be acquired.

The fact that Tori shuts him down without even saying his name is her most redeeming quality :ROFLMAO:



Jeez who could be worst than Zach...

And Rucandel_ i think you can mention something for comparison, as long as we don't turn this into a discussion of this other game i think it's fine... but i'm not a moderator or friends with any of them, so thread lightly :ROFLMAO:
The best friend in Dreamland is way worse for me
 

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The best friend in Dreamland is way worse for me
while im way behind on that 1 I probably rank them about the same. Only reason I would put the DL above Zack is because he comes across like he is actually a friend while Zack feels more like someone you just kind of used to hang out with.

Well since we are naming ones that we find worst. I put the Moonlight one as my #1 hated / disliked friend not because he is a bad guy. He honestly probably a decent dude and friend. But I find he is so damn annoying and stupid at times I had to take a break several times to get through his scenes.

I honestly would rather have Zack over that 1 just because while I don't like Zack at least I can tolerate to be around him without finding him too annoying. Plus the whole idea of cucking Zack out of all the ladies he is interest in is very fun to do as well. Honestly I treat Zack like a punching bag it never gets old or boring to do stuff to do him when we can.
 

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I have games where the mc is worse than zach in terms of friendship. ORS, Pale Carnation, our fate, restore her career
How's Ian or Edwin a worse friend than Zach? I mean, you can choose to be, but you can be also perfectly supportive with all your friends. So it's hardly fair to describe them as such, when it's basically on you.
 

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Progress Update - Episode 15

Probably the last progress update of the year, since I'll be gone from next week until the new year.
The Valeria scene has been finished. I'm working on the last small scenes to finish the first day. One of the scenes is the new scene I talked about a little while ago. I wasn't sure if I would include it or not, but I decided I would. It's the MC goes to the movies scene if you aren't on the Valeria or the other character's path. Then there will be another small scene, which is a conflict with a certain character. And the last scene of the first day is actually an Ethan scene, for if you decided not to help Erynn with the blackmail plot. Since the majority of the blackmail storyline has been scrapped, which included the not helping Erynn scene, all scenes now need to get together at a certain point so everything will have the same ending instead of multiple endings. Probably a short phone call scene, similar to the one you've already seen in episode 14. Or maybe I should just remove the choice of helping or not helping Erynn and automatically make you help her. Would save me some time... We'll see.
Let's start talking about day 2 and what's about to happen there. First there will be 2 options to where MC will train for the relay race (If he's still allowed to participate that is. But since he doesn't know the answer he trains for it nevertheless). Depending where you go (Will be decided by a previous choice), MC will meet a certain character at each spot. Both spots will be completely different. One will be longer than the other because of intertwining paths.
In the afternoon, MC will meet up with the partner he's assigned to work on the geography project with. But, there's also a possibility MC won't be helping (This is also due to previous choices.)
Another scene in the afternoon is ... Yeah, I'm not going to talk about this one either. It's gonna be very different than usual. Some will like it, some won't. It has to do with MC, though, and maybe some of you will be able to guess it.
MC will also go to John's garage to get the repaired car and talk about some other stuff.
Lastly, there will be a scene which starts the end of the blackmail plot. Of course, I won't be talking about what's happening there. But this episode will come with a warning, which I will talk about closer to release.
What I will warn you about already, though, is that there will be a point in one of the MC training scenes where it looks like you don't have a choice to a certain outcome. Trust me, you had a choice already, multiple actually but it's not black or white. Sometimes you need to do something you don't want to do, and sometimes the "bad" option will be the better option in the long run. So, stop always taking the option which gives you points and trust your gut feeling.
Keep in mind. Things can always change a bit while I work on scenes. Some things can be scrapped, but I can also add a new scene to it.
That's it for now. I probably will start working on day 2 in the new year. I might be able to finish day 1 in a few days before I'm off to my vacation.

I wish you all already Happy Holidays and a very good start into the New Year!
 

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Progress Update - Episode 15

Probably the last progress update of the year, since I'll be gone from next week until the new year.
The Valeria scene has been finished. I'm working on the last small scenes to finish the first day. One of the scenes is the new scene I talked about a little while ago. I wasn't sure if I would include it or not, but I decided I would. It's the MC goes to the movies scene if you aren't on the Valeria or the other character's path. Then there will be another small scene, which is a conflict with a certain character. And the last scene of the first day is actually an Ethan scene, for if you decided not to help Erynn with the blackmail plot. Since the majority of the blackmail storyline has been scrapped, which included the not helping Erynn scene, all scenes now need to get together at a certain point so everything will have the same ending instead of multiple endings. Probably a short phone call scene, similar to the one you've already seen in episode 14. Or maybe I should just remove the choice of helping or not helping Erynn and automatically make you help her. Would save me some time... We'll see.
Let's start talking about day 2 and what's about to happen there. First there will be 2 options to where MC will train for the relay race (If he's still allowed to participate that is. But since he doesn't know the answer he trains for it nevertheless). Depending where you go (Will be decided by a previous choice), MC will meet a certain character at each spot. Both spots will be completely different. One will be longer than the other because of intertwining paths.
In the afternoon, MC will meet up with the partner he's assigned to work on the geography project with. But, there's also a possibility MC won't be helping (This is also due to previous choices.)
Another scene in the afternoon is ... Yeah, I'm not going to talk about this one either. It's gonna be very different than usual. Some will like it, some won't. It has to do with MC, though, and maybe some of you will be able to guess it.
MC will also go to John's garage to get the repaired car and talk about some other stuff.
Lastly, there will be a scene which starts the end of the blackmail plot. Of course, I won't be talking about what's happening there. But this episode will come with a warning, which I will talk about closer to release.
What I will warn you about already, though, is that there will be a point in one of the MC training scenes where it looks like you don't have a choice to a certain outcome. Trust me, you had a choice already, multiple actually but it's not black or white. Sometimes you need to do something you don't want to do, and sometimes the "bad" option will be the better option in the long run. So, stop always taking the option which gives you points and trust your gut feeling.
Keep in mind. Things can always change a bit while I work on scenes. Some things can be scrapped, but I can also add a new scene to it.
That's it for now. I probably will start working on day 2 in the new year. I might be able to finish day 1 in a few days before I'm off to my vacation.

I wish you all already Happy Holidays and a very good start into the New Year!
Interesting post... finally some info on day 2.
Looks like another packed day.
Training (2 versions), geography, more John... and the blackmail.

On other topics... I would not like the option of not helping Erynn removed, i never take this option... but i'm curious on how fucked up things end up if you do.
The movie scene still sounds like a waste of time to me... it's completely fine to let the MC stay home and go to sleep if there isn't anything interesting to do.

It's gonna be a packed update, but we are still far away from playing it.
 

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What I will warn you about already, though, is that there will be a point in one of the MC training scenes where it looks like you don't have a choice to a certain outcome. Trust me, you had a choice already, multiple actually but it's not black or white. Sometimes you need to do something you don't want to do, and sometimes the "bad" option will be the better option in the long run. So, stop always taking the option which gives you points and trust your gut feeling.
yeah thanks for nothing :KEK: URM goes brrr.
 

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Progress Update - Episode 15

Probably the last progress update of the year, since I'll be gone from next week until the new year.
The Valeria scene has been finished. I'm working on the last small scenes to finish the first day. One of the scenes is the new scene I talked about a little while ago. I wasn't sure if I would include it or not, but I decided I would. It's the MC goes to the movies scene if you aren't on the Valeria or the other character's path. Then there will be another small scene, which is a conflict with a certain character. And the last scene of the first day is actually an Ethan scene, for if you decided not to help Erynn with the blackmail plot. Since the majority of the blackmail storyline has been scrapped, which included the not helping Erynn scene, all scenes now need to get together at a certain point so everything will have the same ending instead of multiple endings. Probably a short phone call scene, similar to the one you've already seen in episode 14. Or maybe I should just remove the choice of helping or not helping Erynn and automatically make you help her. Would save me some time... We'll see.
Let's start talking about day 2 and what's about to happen there. First there will be 2 options to where MC will train for the relay race (If he's still allowed to participate that is. But since he doesn't know the answer he trains for it nevertheless). Depending where you go (Will be decided by a previous choice), MC will meet a certain character at each spot. Both spots will be completely different. One will be longer than the other because of intertwining paths.
In the afternoon, MC will meet up with the partner he's assigned to work on the geography project with. But, there's also a possibility MC won't be helping (This is also due to previous choices.)
Another scene in the afternoon is ... Yeah, I'm not going to talk about this one either. It's gonna be very different than usual. Some will like it, some won't. It has to do with MC, though, and maybe some of you will be able to guess it.
MC will also go to John's garage to get the repaired car and talk about some other stuff.
Lastly, there will be a scene which starts the end of the blackmail plot. Of course, I won't be talking about what's happening there. But this episode will come with a warning, which I will talk about closer to release.
What I will warn you about already, though, is that there will be a point in one of the MC training scenes where it looks like you don't have a choice to a certain outcome. Trust me, you had a choice already, multiple actually but it's not black or white. Sometimes you need to do something you don't want to do, and sometimes the "bad" option will be the better option in the long run. So, stop always taking the option which gives you points and trust your gut feeling.
Keep in mind. Things can always change a bit while I work on scenes. Some things can be scrapped, but I can also add a new scene to it.
That's it for now. I probably will start working on day 2 in the new year. I might be able to finish day 1 in a few days before I'm off to my vacation.

I wish you all already Happy Holidays and a very good start into the New Year!
Erynn & Ethan sex scene loading :ROFLMAO:
 
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How's Ian or Edwin a worse friend than Zach? I mean, you can choose to be, but you can be also perfectly supportive with all your friends. So it's hardly fair to describe them as such, when it's basically on you.
You cant dangle a hot blonde in someone's face and expect them to behave. Jess saying
 
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"Trust me, you had a choice already, multiple actually but it's not black or white. Sometimes you need to do something you don't want to do, and sometimes the "bad" option will be the better option in the long run."

No, I won't like that black bitch just because of that!!
 

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"Trust me, you had a choice already, multiple actually but it's not black or white. Sometimes you need to do something you don't want to do, and sometimes the "bad" option will be the better option in the long run."

No, I won't like that black bitch just because of that!!
I think it's gonna be like the Melissa scene.
In the sense that it's gonna trigger without any "Do you go for it? Yes or no".
It looks like Nyx fell in love with doing that...

Who could it be? It's someone you are gonna meet while running... Park or Beach? The schoolgirls should be having class... it can be someone like Lakeyin who doesn't have much to do... you meet her at the beach and things escalate.
Maybe Ximena likes to run in the park/beach.

Still not a fan of not getting a final "yes or no", makes the game seem desperate to cause war between the girls.
I can do that by my own choice i don't need any help :devilish:
 

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I think it's gonna be like the Melissa scene.
In the sense that it's gonna trigger without any "Do you go for it? Yes or no".
It looks like Nyx fell in love with doing that...

Who could it be? It's someone you are gonna meet while running... Park or Beach? The schoolgirls should be having class... it can be someone like Lakeyin who doesn't have much to do... you meet her at the beach and things escalate.
Maybe Ximena likes to run in the park/beach.
I think it may be simpler, like e.g. it's training scene with Tori and the MC automatically either agrees to fuck her or turns her down based on whether they already fucked before, or something like that. Not someone else showing up. I guess one of these paths have a more positive outcome on how the relay race goes, than the other? Guess we'll see.

edit: alternatively, it could be some development with (solo) Elena when training with Layla, and the "you gotta make 'bad' choice for better outcome" would be referring to how MC crushes Layla's feelings to get on that path? idk.
 
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