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jish55

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I almost sound like a broken record but if a pizza chef takes 20 minutes to arrange the olives and another 10 to make sure the cheese is spread evenly only a few customers are going to appreciate the love for details. The others will go to bed hungry.
Yes, for food, that is definitely the case, though many are willing to pay out the ass for that attention to detail. This cannot be attributed to things like making films, writing books, making games, etc. Where there are many other variables and things that can go wrong. If you want a rushed product, you're going to get something without much substance and instead be left with something that doesn't give you any real satisfaction (like Michael Bay, Stephanie Mayer, and EA Games). If you want something satisfying, you have to wait (John Williams, Naughty Dog Studios, Stanley Kubrick).
 

slightchance

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This is true. But the thing is, I'm not a vendor of anything. I make the game because I like making it.
So if the few who appreciate the efforts are willing to support my work, I'm happy with it. And the rest can grab a slice for free if they feel like it. And if they don't, there are plenty of fast food joints around.
Beggars can't be choosers. And if you'd stop coating your pizza with gold foil for a second you'd see me standing outside with my face pressed against the windows trying to jack off into an old newspaper.
 

bobbo69

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This is true. But the thing is, I'm not a vendor of anything. I make the game because I like making it.
So if the few who appreciate the efforts are willing to support my work, I'm happy with it. And the rest can grab a slice for free if they feel like it. And if they don't, there are plenty of fast food joints around.
Very well said stopper ;)
 

msleomac

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umby , I am trying to give some release dates. Which just brings me more trouble - people are understandably disappointed when I miss them, and I feel bad when that happens as well.
Your game is very good and it is understandable that with work and life delays are inevitable. Why don't you keep a percentage tracker of the work done and pending ? Then we can be kept updated and will be easier for you. Might even be a source of self motivation though I doubt you need it.

Anyways looking forward to your next release.
 
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umby

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however I wanted to point out that here it is not a question of pretending who knows what, there are developers who also tell you that the release of the update takes place in the afternoon, since I realized that the thing worked, I allowed myself to recommend it as a policy to use.
 

Mormont

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Thing is with Conner I've always been a bit suspect of him he is away often and that time we saw him using the computer I always think he is up to something, also him being away doesn't help Jessica and her needs no wonder she is looking elsewhere.
 

Lord_Xanatos

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Thing is with Conner I've always been a bit suspect of him he is away often and that time we saw him using the computer I always think he is up to something, also him being away doesn't help Jessica and her needs no wonder she is looking elsewhere.
There's always the possibility that he might be the vigilante because he was using the computer when Jessica was checking the information about the bike. IF he is not, then he knows and is in league with the vigilante, I hope that's not the case because otherwise..."meh". Hopefully is someone else though.
 
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armion82

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Thing is with Conner I've always been a bit suspect of him he is away often and that time we saw him using the computer I always think he is up to something, also him being away doesn't help Jessica and her needs no wonder she is looking elsewhere.
It's obviously he is playing incest porn games.And is hidng it from Jessica.Or maybe he is a harem player?
 

yihman1

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I almost sound like a broken record but if a pizza chef takes 20 minutes to arrange the olives and another 10 to make sure the cheese is spread evenly only a few customers are going to appreciate the love for details. The others will go to bed hungry.
With an attitude like yours... Please if you have any tattoos show them because I would just love to see them if you talked to the tattoo artist the same way you talked to stroper.

The problem with your analogy is that making a pizza does not require any sort of creativity. You have a recipe, you have a list of ingredients, they even tell you what temperature to turn the oven on and how long to leave it in there, and even how many slices to put in it.

Making a game is not like making a pizza.
 

slightchance

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Making a game is not like making a pizza.
I am sorry that you didn't understand my analogy. stoper did, well at least I think so.

Saying pizza does not require any sort of creativity tells me you've never tasted a pizza that wasn't made in a fast food chain. And even those are sometimes committed to fulfill artistic requests if the customer so wishes.
 
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yihman1

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I am sorry that you didn't understand my analogy. stoper did, well at least I think so.

Saying pizza does not require any sort of creativity tells me you've never tasted a pizza that wasn't made in a fast food chain. And even those are sometimes committed to fulfill artistic requests if the customer so wishes.
I used to work at a fancy Italian restaurant. I am a skilled chef at making a number of Italian foods including pizza. I am also currently a game developer. So I am in a unique position the shed light on the similarities and differences in making a pizza and making a game.

When you make a pizza: You take exact measurements of each ingredient. You methodically do things in order in a "rote learning" style. You make the pizza the exact same way each time with as small of variation as possible from the previous pizzas you have made. You cook things the same way that a machine could if it were programmed to do so. It's similar to assembly line work. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat... Even a specialty order such as shaping the pepperonis to look like a dick for a bachelorette party is only minor deviations and even then you are given specifics at the request of the customer again with very detailed instructions.

When you make a game: Nothing is set in stone. Nobody hands you a recipe and says "get to work!" You start off with a blank canvas. You must draw on 3 very different skills. Writing, coding, and visual art. The coding portion can be compared to the rote stuff previously mentioned, but not the writing or visual art. I'll give you that the coding portion can be like making a pizza... The only difference is if you put bugs in the code it oftentimes causes a much bigger problem than just 1 or 2 missing pepperoni. If you put a single character in the wrong place the whole game can be broken until you fix it. The writing requires you to be able to write, but not just a linear kinetic story. You must have a branching universe with multiple choices that change can require you to build a whole new story after a choice. Have your main character select one job over another? Well... That's two whole different storylines and whole different story paths. Each is independent. As for the visuals... You must be able to visualize everything written. Be it drawing them in 2d or rendering them in 3d. You wrote something too hard to visualize? Guess what you gotta go back and change the story now... You have to create characters that are believable, but not too boring. You must create plot points and fit them together. You can't have your character be in two places at once. You must create an entire universe that your people that you created live in. You must choose every little thing about them. Hair color, eye color, alll physical things.... virgin? slut? smart? dumb? speach impediment? freckles? how do they interact with others? what are their hobbies? what is their struggle? who is their nemesis? do they have friends? do they smoke cigarettes? do they drink or do drugs? do they have a phobia? are they faithful or a cheater? You must create a past, present, and future for everyone. And the future is not set in stone and it leads to multiple endings.

So yes, making a game and making a pizza are not similar.
 
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