VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.60] [stoperArt]

[palmtrees89]

The rules for the content you refer to are very clear here on F95 and have been for a long time (see here) which is why i couldnt really relate in any other way than i did. It very much sounded like a general classification the way you worded it. This game doesnt touch that category by any means and follows the rules here accordingly.

Both young/old versions are equally popular tropes in porn too - be it the young guy with the MILF/Cougar or the young girl with the old fart which makes the poll result not a very surprising one given that. The audience is very much the same after all.

P.S. While you point fingers towards 'certain games' - maybe have a look at Black Desert Online. There is an entire class that fits your description and that is a multi-national online game having passed several Nation's agencies age-content mechanism.

I may have indeed worded it poorly. You are correct, JOHN does not currently have any of this content, but seeing the poll's result does make me a bit scared that it could possibly take the "wrong" turn at some point if Stoper starts catering to some of the voters.

I've heard of Black Desert Online before, but I can't say that I know anything about it. But even those agencies do make mistakes. Just take a look at some EA sports games. They are literal online casinos with gambling mechanisms left and right, but for some reason kids are allowed to play these games and make use of their features. There have been lawsuits already, but I guess putting enough money on the table will solve most issues.

Edit: Regarding the F95 rules, I'm still quite new around here, so I do appreciate the link you provided!

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I may have indeed worded it poorly. You are correct, JOHN does not currently have any of this content, but seeing the poll's result does make me a bit scared that it could possibly take the "wrong" turn at some point if Stoper starts catering to some of the voters.

I think stoper has his own ideas and does not change them according to the wishes of the supporters. if one day he wanted, could he insert DLCs based on the choices of supporters?

 

[afterlights]

Women
14%

Hopefully, there's a route ending where Jess and Blake marry.

 

[Deleted member 2001147]

I'm stunned by this. There is absolutely no audience for anything besides younger guys, and ugly old men. There's a tiny niche for lesbian content, but anything else has clearly been rejected. Not even threesomes could muster double digits. Instead the audience seems to overwhelmingly prefer ugly old men, and that raises some eyebrows.

I’d say it reflects the age groups of people playing these.

 

[dolfe67]

I fully agree with your post, but it seems you misunderstood my points. I wasn't talking about any regular or legal fetish out there, and I'm not kink shaming anyone for their fetish either, aslong as it's within certain laws. I've also never mentioned with a single word that each and every middle aged man is a "perverted cradle robber".

My point was simply the fact that certain games attract certain people, and that is no secret. I'm talking about content involving obvious minors being presented as "shota", or content with characters who are supposedly 18+ but do look like elementary school kids, and the people it attracts to pay for this kind of stuff. Like I said, that doesn't mean everyone supporting a game like that is a pedophile(a word I tried to avoid on purpose, but oh well), but it certainly is an easy way for a bunch of people to act out their darkest and very questionable fantasies. These games get a large portion of their funding from the audience I find to be questionable, to say the least. And this part of the audience does in most cases consist of middle aged or older men who are willing to pay alot of money for this kind of content. If those people give life to their fetish or not doesn't really matter in this case. Obviously it's better for everyone if they don't, but that doesn't make the "fetish" any better. You are free to have a different opinion on that, but in my book that's not okay.

I'm kinda frustrated to see the poll on JOHN turn out the way it did, and part of that certainly is thanks to what I said above. So no, there's no need to slow me down. I'm not a toddler.

You have your opinion but not every one who play shota/loli games is a pedophile, as not every one who play a blackmail games is a blackmailer irl, as not everyone who play a FPS game is a murderer, etc.. They are games which allow us to do something we wouldn't or cant do irl

And there is no underage looking character in JOHN. This poll is not asking what to develop but what people like, just for curiosity without hidden agenda

 

[palmtrees89]

You have your opinion but not every one who play shota/loli games is a pedophile, as not every one who play a blackmail games is a blackmailer irl, as not everyone who play a FPS game is a murderer, etc.. They are games which allow us to do something we wouldn't or cant do irl

That's literally what I said in my post.

And there is no underage looking character in JOHN. This poll is not asking what to develop but what people like, just for curiosity without hidden agenda

Never said there was an underage character in JOHN. How do you know that this poll is just out of curiosity and Stoper won't cater to the voters at some point? Why even bother making a poll like that if not to use the information gathered for future updates?

 

[armion82]

That's literally what I said in my post.



Never said there was an underage character in JOHN. How do you know that this poll is just out of curiosity and Stoper won't cater to the voters at some point? Why even bother making a poll like that if not for future updates?

So far the polls are only for information,nothing more.No idea why you believe that exactly this poll will be different?

 

[palmtrees89]

So far the polls are only for information,nothing more.No idea why you believe that exactly this poll will be different?

Again, how do you know that the information gathered from these polls won't be used to determine the content produced in future updates? And what even would be the point of these polls if that's not the case? I feel like copy-pasting my posts would be easier at this point.

Why would Stoper bother to ask his Patreons about an age bracket for the characters they want to see Jessica with?

 

[armion82]

Again, how do you know that the information gathered from these polls won't be used to determine the content produced in future updates? And what even would be the point of these polls if that's not the case? I feel like copy-pasting my posts would be easier at this point.

Because not a single poll so far matters.And first ones are from 3 years ago.Guess what they were and still are only for info what the people like,not what he should add to the game.

 

[palmtrees89]

Because not a single poll so far matters.And first ones are from 3 years ago.Guess what they were and still are only for info what the people like,not what he should add to the game.

That still doesn't answer my question at all. What's the point of this if he's basically ignoring everything his Patreons ask for? Not that I'd mind it in this particular case.

"Oh, guess my Patreons like content with the youngest and the oldest people currently in my game. Good to know, for whatever reason...Let's keep working on this lesbian scene barely anybody cares about then!"

Do you believe that's how Stoper thinks about these polls? Because everything else wouldn't make much sense following your logic.

 

[ashitanojoe]

Yeah it's not surprising when you follow the AVN scene. I don't think it's related with the content already in game. It doesn't have the corruption tag, but it's a big fetish for female MC games to have the beautiful chick be debased by ugly old men

Not exactly, sometimes it has to do with the story and content in the game. For example, in Bright Past in a poll made by the dev, the preference was for lesbian scenes:

 

[toolkitxx]

That still doesn't answer my question at all. What's the point of this if he's basically ignoring everything his Patreons ask for? Not that I'd mind it in this particular case.

"Oh, guess my Patreons like content with the youngest and the oldest people currently in my game. Good to know, for whatever reason...Let's keep working on this lesbian scene barely anybody cares about then!"

Do you believe that's how Stoper thinks about these polls? Because everything else wouldn't make much sense following your logic.

Maybe i can shed light on this from a dev point of view:

Sometimes you simply require certain feedback without necessarily going to implement exactly what you are polling for. Lets say your number of downloads is dwindling or you are stuck in a creative process to further your story. Making a poll gives you an indication which way to go or which way absolutely not to choose.

Polls are also an easy way to involve your fanbase. Many devs poll for things without ever actually implementing any of the poll results - think of it more like a social interaction tool then.

That said - no one but Stomper actually knows why he polled like that and what his intentions are but his work so far is basically a very clear indicator that things dont tend to go into any extreme direction.

 

[Bolero]

No surprises about the poll results, i hope stoper takes it into consideration when he starts making scenes in the future updates.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Man everybody, I'm sorry, I feel like I unintentionally derailed the thread. I'm surprised by the results not because I want to judge anyone's kinks, but because I didn't know how one-sided the audience is. Like, if given the opportunity, I didn't think people would be so opposed to other options such as sex with other attractive men or even lesbian content. I know boyfriends in these games are always unpopular (and I personally think that's weird, but predictable) but I didn't know that so many people with old men fetishes had gravitated towards JOHN. On a personal note, it's disappointing to me because I would like to see a balanced game. As a straight woman I understand that these games are made (mostly) by straight men with straight men in mind, and that's ok because I know the reality and a beautiful woman is still pleasant to look at. But it would be SO nice to see her have sex with other attractive male characters. I kinda thought this would be a universal feeling, that even if you are a straight male you'd like to see two beautiful people going at it. But apparently the literally majority of patrons of JOHN want to see the gorgeous female protagonist only have sex with old men, and specifically ugly ones. That's what stuns me because I never knew that was such a fetish.

 

[palmtrees89]

Maybe i can shed light on this from a dev point of view:

Sometimes you simply require certain feedback without necessarily going to implement exactly what you are polling for. Lets say your number of downloads is dwindling or you are stuck in a creative process to further your story. Making a poll gives you an indication which way to go or which way absolutely not to choose.

Polls are also an easy way to involve your fanbase. Many devs poll for things without ever actually implementing any of the poll results - think of it more like a social interaction tool then.

That said - no one but Stomper actually knows why he polled like that and what his intentions are but his work so far is basically a very clear indicator that things dont tend to go into any extreme direction.

That's basically how I see it, too. Feedback like that can be very valuable, be it to increase or keep the numbers like you said, aswell as helping with decision making in regards to the content a developer produces to create a game his or her community enjoys the most. Now, that obviously doesn't mean Stoper should abandon his own vision of the game, because I can imagine that'd hardly be fun for any developer either.

But yeah, in the end only Stoper has the answer to my previous question, really. And you are right, the game currently doesn't go into any extremes, and it doesn't seem likely to be happening anytime soon either as there's not even a foundation for the stuff I've been talking about earlier. I just found the poll kinda alarming.

Anyway, thanks for another reasonable reply. This whole discussion blew up in a way I didn't even intended it to do, which is partly my fault I guess. So I'll leave it at that.

Cheers!

 

[palmtrees89]

Man everybody, I'm sorry, I feel like I unintentionally derailed the thread. I'm surprised by the results not because I want to judge anyone's kinks, but because I didn't know how one-sided the audience is. Like, if given the opportunity, I didn't think people would be so opposed to other options such as sex with other attractive men or even lesbian content. I know boyfriends in these games are always unpopular (and I personally think that's weird, but predictable) but I didn't know that so many people with old men fetishes had gravitated towards JOHN. On a personal note, it's disappointing to me because I would like to see a balanced game. As a straight woman I understand that these games are made (mostly) by straight men with straight men in mind, and that's ok because I know the reality and a beautiful woman is still pleasant to look at. But it would be SO nice to see her have sex with other attractive male characters. I kinda thought this would be a universal feeling, that even if you are a straight male you'd like to see two beautiful people going at it. But apparently the literally majority of patrons of JOHN want to see the gorgeous female protagonist only have sex with old men, and specifically ugly ones. That's what stuns me because I never knew that was such a fetish.

You really didn't do anything wrong as far as I'm concerned. I'm the one arguing with people...as always.

 

[jimbo88]

Man everybody, I'm sorry, I feel like I unintentionally derailed the thread. I'm surprised by the results not because I want to judge anyone's kinks, but because I didn't know how one-sided the audience is. Like, if given the opportunity, I didn't think people would be so opposed to other options such as sex with other attractive men or even lesbian content. I know boyfriends in these games are always unpopular (and I personally think that's weird, but predictable) but I didn't know that so many people with old men fetishes had gravitated towards JOHN. On a personal note, it's disappointing to me because I would like to see a balanced game. As a straight woman I understand that these games are made (mostly) by straight men with straight men in mind, and that's ok because I know the reality and a beautiful woman is still pleasant to look at. But it would be SO nice to see her have sex with other attractive male characters. I kinda thought this would be a universal feeling, that even if you are a straight male you'd like to see two beautiful people going at it. But apparently the literally majority of patrons of JOHN want to see the gorgeous female protagonist only have sex with old men, and specifically ugly ones. That's what stuns me because I never knew that was such a fetish.

Yep, agree wholeheartedly, I really don't understand/believe a narrative of an attractive person being willingly drawn to an unattractive person ... maybe if they (wrongly) thought they themselves were unattractive, there'd be a self destructive/depressive scenario in which it could occur .. but then .. that'd make them unattractive (imo) ... anyway ... enough .. if you've not stumbled upon it already, Watching My Wife may be more up your street ... https://f95zone.to/threads/watching-my-wife-v0-4-0-illegible-mink.81412/

 

[armion82]

That still doesn't answer my question at all. What's the point of this if he's basically ignoring everything his Patreons ask for? Not that I'd mind it in this particular case.

"Oh, guess my Patreons like content with the youngest and the oldest people currently in my game. Good to know, for whatever reason...Let's keep working on this lesbian scene barely anybody cares about then!"

Do you believe that's how Stoper thinks about these polls? Because everything else wouldn't make much sense following your logic.

So you mean because RE 2 won the poll for favorite RE game we definitely should get the characters from RE 2.

 

[toolkitxx]

Man everybody, I'm sorry, I feel like I unintentionally derailed the thread. I'm surprised by the results not because I want to judge anyone's kinks, but because I didn't know how one-sided the audience is. Like, if given the opportunity, I didn't think people would be so opposed to other options such as sex with other attractive men or even lesbian content. I know boyfriends in these games are always unpopular (and I personally think that's weird, but predictable) but I didn't know that so many people with old men fetishes had gravitated towards JOHN. On a personal note, it's disappointing to me because I would like to see a balanced game. As a straight woman I understand that these games are made (mostly) by straight men with straight men in mind, and that's ok because I know the reality and a beautiful woman is still pleasant to look at. But it would be SO nice to see her have sex with other attractive male characters. I kinda thought this would be a universal feeling, that even if you are a straight male you'd like to see two beautiful people going at it. But apparently the literally majority of patrons of JOHN want to see the gorgeous female protagonist only have sex with old men, and specifically ugly ones. That's what stuns me because I never knew that was such a fetish.

I had a feeling you where a woman - good to know my radar still works

On a emotional level i can totally agree with you when looking purely at a poll result like that. I have been around here for quite a while and there has been a tendency to move away from the balanced products for quite a while now. I like to believe that the changes in availability of porn plays a big role here. The net is full today with 'beautiful' people both professional and amateur. Naked flesh has become more the norm than just a decade ago not least furthered by things like Instagram or only-fans.
At the same time all these people provide loads of material that feeds into a lot of people's fantasies which makes these fantasies become 'vanilla'. So games will often try to position more towards a niche or an extreme to get a piece of the pie so to say.

As of one-sided audience: the audience is as varied as an entire population. Its just a limited number and also usually the same kind of user that speaks up or takes part in the polls. That creates the impression of being one-sided. Most devs are aware of this and use more than one option to gather feedback. There have been many products that where using female protagonists that failed completely simply because not many women where around or involved in the feedback process. They did not fail because they where inherently bad as a product but because the users that spoke up and where visible where mostly male. Add to this that there is still a majority of female users that will never admit they are female to avoid the typical net-reactions and you end in a bad loop of the same feedback all over again. When i started here NTR was pretty seldom an issue - just a few years later it became a mass hysteria topic which lead to rule and definition threads just to calm the masses and get them to be on-topic again.

I can assure you that the fetish isnt as big as you think - there is an underlying issue here that directly connects to the NTR discussion. Many a user feels less threatened in their personal relation towards the protagonist when the characters are not 'ideal' and 'beautiful'.

 

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Hi, everyone.
I'm curious about something - What type of partners do you look forward to see Jessica involved with the most?
The names in the brackets are just to give you an example of what I mean for each category.

Younger guys (Tommy, the Birthday boy, etc...)
23%

Young, attractive men (David, Conner, etc...)
5%

Older, attractive men (Duncan, Christian, etc..)
4%

Old men (Mr. Parker, The Mayor, etc...)
51%

Women
14%

Women together with Conner (like the threesome wth Heather)
3%
279
votes in total

How about, EVERYONE but Conner