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He pretty much guarenteed that already...sadI will look at the update, if there is no sex scene with another man, I will stop supporting him. Because this is already a mockery.
He pretty much guarenteed that already...sadI will look at the update, if there is no sex scene with another man, I will stop supporting him. Because this is already a mockery.
It's a great point. The evolution of the AVG industry took a huge step forward with Patreon, but I really do think we're at a crossroads. Developers either need to become more professional and team-centric, or they need to scale down and become more modest. We're seeing too many games with immense potential collapse under their own weight. As I see it, there are three related problems:This update only having 1 event, with 2 variations, is to say the least...not good. Especially for 6 months of work. Even more so since he decided to take out the 3rd variation, which was the one most people were looking forward to the most.
He makes good art, and I don't like doing this, but there are other developers who make just as good art in larger quantity and quicker timeframes. His workflow obviously doesn't work. He may think it does, but this update isn't going to be worth a download for a lot of people.
This is another example, on the big ol' pile of examples, that being a perfectionist isn't compatible with making a game. If you ever want to complete your game, you have a compromise. Either settle for less than perfect art, or slim down the story so you don't need to do as much of it. Not doing either isn't sustainable. A flawed game that gets completed is better than a perfect game that get's abandoned.
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I completely agree, especially about being at a crossroads. The problem with Patreon as I see it is that it is basically the same thing as Early access on steam for games. You can "help" the dev by buying the game at its current state and hope that the game gets more developed and ultimately "released" in a completed state. I have done that a few times on steam and been screwed the few times I did it with the dev either abandoning the game or finishing it but the finished product was crap.It's a great point. The evolution of the AVG industry took a huge step forward with Patreon, but I really do think we're at a crossroads. Developers either need to become more professional and team-centric, or they need to scale down and become more modest. We're seeing too many games with immense potential collapse under their own weight. As I see it, there are three related problems:
These three issues are contributing towards a glut of high quality, but ultimately doomed, projects. You can be an amateur developer if you're able to keep your art and ambitions in check. You can be an artist first and foremost, but it's helpful if you aren't an amateur developer and keep your ambitions in check. Or you can be super ambitious, but you better have some experience as a developer and artist. You can mix and match, but I think as a general rule there needs to be a compromise between these three issues.
- Amateur single-person development teams
- Artist-first developers
- Overly ambitious, and poorly defined, games
To bring it back to JOHN for a second, I really think Stoper owes his patrons (not us) a true mea culpa. There are a lot of patrons that deserve a better explanation about why this update has turned into such a clusterfuck. He doesn't owe us anything, but he owes them a lot. At absolute best Stoper has been disingenious to some degree about the development process for this update. Months of effort have resulted in next to nothing and an update that will only be released as an unfinished beta. At worst, Stoper has been outright dishonest and was unproductive for months, all while collecting payment. At minimum Stoper should pause the collection of payments until the full release is out and guarantee anyone who was a patron during the last month or two full access to the update when it's released.
Once the full-version is released, I think Stoper needs to seriously consider putting this game on pause. I understand that makes it far more likely that the game will be abandoned, but at this point I think it's time for a radical change. Something about this game has ground development to a halt, and I think Stoper needs to take some time to figure himself out. Pausing the game and continuing development in the background could be a method to get his head right without the pressure of expectations or paying patrons.
In my opinion his reputation and credibility are on the line. I think his long-term viability as a developer is in question.
Yeah I noticed that too. Lately we had a lot of big delays and what "scares" me the most is that there's a propensity to adopt the "icstor's philosophy" of ignoring supporters. This is not good.What is happening with developers, there are more and more developers that are delaying updates or giving miserable update with scene or two. This game was one of the best but I think it is over, 6 monts for 1lesbian or faithful scene thats crazy. Stoper needs to decide or to abandon the game or bigger updates with little bit less quality. This is unfair for people that are playing the game.
Back then devs had the decency to only charge per major update too, now most devs have stopped caring about their patrons.I feel like these devs look at each other and think, hmmmm, well he's doing it this slow..... I'll go slower.
Remember in the good old days when most devs had monthly updates. that is long gone.
What is happening with developers, there are more and more developers that are delaying updates or giving miserable update with scene or two. This game was one of the best but I think it is over, 6 monts for 1lesbian or faithful scene thats crazy. Stoper needs to decide or to abandon the game or bigger updates with little bit less quality. This is unfair for people that are playing the game.
I think you're seeing a couple things.Yeah I noticed that too. Lately we had a lot of big delays and what "scares" me the most is that there's a propensity to adopt the "icstor's philosophy" of ignoring supporters. This is not good.
my thesis is also that perhaps the work on ren py is not for him.This update only having 1 event, with 2 variations, is to say the least...not good. Especially for 6 months of work. Even more so since he decided to take out the 3rd variation, which was the one most people were looking forward to the most.
He makes good art, and I don't like doing this, but there are other developers who make just as good art in larger quantity and quicker timeframes. His workflow obviously doesn't work. He may think it does, but this update isn't going to be worth a download for a lot of people.
This is another example, on the big ol' pile of examples, that being a perfectionist isn't compatible with making a game. If you ever want to complete your game, you have a compromise. Either settle for less than perfect art, or slim down the story so you don't need to do as much of it. Not doing either isn't sustainable. A flawed game that gets completed is better than a perfect game that get's abandoned.
well, over time the plot of the game itself develops and thickens, becoming more and more complex and complicated.Remember in the good old days when most devs had monthly updates. that is long gone.
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