VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.1 Part I] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[lightalex]

Yeah, Taylor tells him the same thing when touring the facilities, and Olivia goes into a bit more detail when discussing future arrangements.

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Thx alot
makes sense with these woman in charge

 

[Cirelc]

I would have chosen her, too, except for one thing: a personal bodyguard should not go behind his boss's back, no matter how well-intentioned he/she may be. And that's exactly what Kiyomi does, and I doubt all the Karlsson's know about her dealings with Otto. In other words, her 100% loyalty is not guaranteed.

Well, let me ask you something. Who is Kiyomi's Boss and don't you believe that because her Honor code, she would be loyal. Who is Ying Yue? Let's see what happen's. I still have hope to get Kiyomi as my run away option and leave both sick companies behind, once and for all.

 

[Stan5851]

Well, let me ask you something. Who is Kiyomi's Boss and don't you believe that because her Honor code, she would be loyal. Who is Ying Yue? Let's see what happen's. I still have hope to get Kiyomi as my run away option and leave both sick companies behind, once and for all.

Kiyomi's immediate boss is Veronica, and then there's the Board. I don't have much doubt about her loyalty to Veronica, but not to the whole Board. Yes, Kiyomi is definitely on the side of the "forces of Good" in this cauldron of hell, but the question was (in jest) "who would you hire as a bodyguard", i.e. it had nothing to do directly with current plot of the game. As for the plot, that's an interesting assumption about Ying Yue, admittedly I haven't thought about her possible connection to Kiyomi yet. But you're right, we really should see what happens next.

Personally, I don't want to "sail off into the sunset in LI's arms" at the end of the game, rather, I want to stay and remake this company for myself, punish the sadistic bitches as they deserve and give those who deserve redemption a chance. And then I can think about saving the world with Veronica's help.

 

[tarsgrim]

Guys I think you are missing the most important point. we are in a screwed up world where women have all the power, the karlson group is dedicated to kidnapping people and turning them into slaves. It could be that Kiyomi is an infiltrator from the start, a double agent so we shouldn't assume who she is loyal to because we just don't have enough information.
Be safe and trust no one

 

[Leo Humilis]

If you mean with snakes, the Deadly Vipers, then you should choose a viper yourself?!
Pat isn't one.

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And I would choose Kiyomi, because her honor code.

I'd choose Scarlett because she's into pegging, LOL

 

[Leo Humilis]

So Delilah have sex with Kane, and they are cousin??? This is literely is incest???

Marriages between first cousins have not been historically considered incestuous and are still not considered such in about 1/3 of US states, as well as in many other countries.

 

[Cirelc]

Kiyomi's immediate boss is Veronica, and then there's the Board. I don't have much doubt about her loyalty to Veronica, but not to the whole Board. Yes, Kiyomi is definitely on the side of the "forces of Good" in this cauldron of hell, but the question was (in jest) "who would you hire as a bodyguard", i.e. it had nothing to do directly with current plot of the game. As for the plot, that's an interesting assumption about Ying Yue, admittedly I haven't thought about her possible connection to Kiyomi yet. But you're right, we really should see what happens next.

Personally, I don't want to "sail off into the sunset in LI's arms" at the end of the game, rather, I want to stay and remake this company for myself, punish the sadistic bitches as they deserve and give those who deserve redemption a chance. And then I can think about saving the world with Veronica's help.

well im not evil enough to get the burn them to the ground option xD and i wont be forced to have a junko romance path for the good ending ....... But i have to wait for Edisode 9, because Episode 8 won't have much content, if you denied the game show like me...

Guys I think you are missing the most important point. we are in a screwed up world where women have all the power, the karlson group is dedicated to kidnapping people and turning them into slaves. It could be that Kiyomi is an infiltrator from the start, a double agent so we shouldn't assume who she is loyal to because we just don't have enough information.
Be safe and trust no one

A double agent who can't lie and said she never betrayed her word. i doubt it, dude.

 

[Love Blonde & HugeTits]

Marriages between first cousins have not been historically considered incestuous and are still not considered such in about 1/3 of US states, as well as in many other countries.

i see, but in my country it is incest for sure

 

[tarsgrim]

well im not evil enough to get the burn them to the ground option xD and i wont be forced to have a junko romance path for the good ending ....... But i have to wait for Edisode 9, because Episode 8 won't have much content, if you denied the game show like me...




A double agent who can't lie and said she never betrayed her word. i doubt it, dude.

for a lie you need to talk and for a betrayal you need to give your word so technically she can be

 

[Remembrance]

Guys I think you are missing the most important point. we are in a screwed up world where women have all the power, the karlson group is dedicated to kidnapping people and turning them into slaves. It could be that Kiyomi is an infiltrator from the start, a double agent so we shouldn't assume who she is loyal to because we just don't have enough information.
Be safe and trust no one

"Women have all the power" is just the story setting, not the world setting. Technically Alexander has the most power, even after his death. It's just that he had only daughters.
The decock kid will be a jerk who won't really hold up to his female family either.

Cause having a proper dom man other than the mc won't sit right with neither femdom players(women rule) nor dom path players (it'd be like having another great guy in a harem novel)

You can see women suffering as much as men if you pick dom path or Olivia lesbian options.
It's not women vs men, but the top 0.1% holding power vs the rest.

Personally, I don't want to "sail off into the sunset in LI's arms" at the end of the game, rather, I want to stay and remake this company for myself, punish the sadistic bitches as they deserve and give those who deserve redemption a chance. And then I can think about saving the world with Veronica's help.

Same, though I'm flexible in morality.
For my playthru I only try to get the best results while keeping good/evil balanced.
As long as MC takes the power for himself (with olivia+as many others as possible, by his side), I'm open to being good or bad, or rather instead I'd be selfish, but not evil. Hope such a neutral end exists.

But i have to wait for Edisode 9, because Episode 8 won't have much content, if you denied the game show like me...

gameshowhost was such a ride. You can get it so early & then lose & gain it again so many times. How many prople have played around the variable, only to get the option to get it directly at the end of season 1

 

[gregers]

"Women have all the power" is just the story setting, not the world setting. Technically Alexander has the most power, even after his death. It's just that he had only daughters.
The decock kid will be a jerk who won't really hold up to his female family either.

Cause having a proper dom man other than the mc won't sit right with neither femdom players(women rule) nor dom path players (it'd be like having another great guy in a harem novel)

You can see women suffering as much as men if you pick dom path or Olivia lesbian options.
It's not women vs men, but the top 0.1% holding power vs the rest.

There is a bit of it in a few places: We don't see it on the dom paths currently, but on the sub track Elena tries to inculcate a general Female Superiority ideology into Olivia (which Olivia in turn asks Kane for his take on).

 

[tarsgrim]

There is a bit of it in a few places: We don't see it on the dom paths currently, but on the sub track Elena tries to inculcate a general Female Superiority ideology into Olivia (which Olivia in turn asks Kane for his take on).

I don't remember exactly the route or the scene, but I do remember that of the 31 Z ranks there were only 2-3 that were men. that is basically as if we invert the reality in which the world is mostly controlled by men

 

[Remembrance]

There is a bit of it in a few places: We don't see it on the dom paths currently, but on the sub track Elena tries to inculcate a general Female Superiority ideology into Olivia (which Olivia in turn asks Kane for his take on).

Those ideologies exist even in real life. Especially if those in power all hold a similar trait, ppl will end up seeing that as a sign of superiority (just see our history of slavery)

But there's no world set-up like you'd find in other femdom/futadom worlds. It's pretty logical & circumstancial, which makes it great.
The MC is not fighting against sexist ppl, just ppl who want to use him for their own benefits. In a truly "women rule" world setting you'd see Amys domming Zachs, but here they are both trash.

I guess the sub track can delve further into it since it doesn't need sub females to flesh it out (though I wonder if female participants might show up in the gameshow). It should add a nice little rush to the femdom setting, but the world building seems equally cruel regardless of gender, which is a great asset of the game imo.

I don't remember exactly the route or the scene, but I do remember that of the 31 Z ranks there were only 2-3 that were men. that is basically as if we invert the reality in which the world is mostly controlled by men

Yes. That's the story set up, not the world building. It's like how harem games are devoid of decent good looking men other than the MC. It doesn't mean the world population is 10 girls per one man, just the game shows it that way.
Like how Phoebe's husband was a successful man, but Phoebe won in the end. Like how Alexander was the most successful person in the story.
It's not that the world has specific roadblocks for men specifically, it just turned out to be like that storywise, since it benefits both femdom(strong women) & dom routes(no other real men).

I mean, since the MC is likely to head into the Z world, would you like more men?
That was the take away from that conversation anyway: that there's only 3 men & while good at their jobs, they aren't really "men" like the mc - she specifically mentions this.

 

[gregers]

Those ideologies exist even in real life. Especially if those in power all hold a similar trait, ppl will end up seeing that as a sign of superiority (just see our history of slavery)

But there's no world set-up like you'd find in other femdom/futadom worlds. It's pretty logical & circumstancial, which makes it great.
The MC is not fighting against sexist ppl, just ppl who want to use him for their own benefits. In a truly women rule world setting you'd see Amys domming Zachs, but here they are both trash.

I guess the sub track can delve further into it since it doesn't need sub females to flesh it out (though I wonder if female participants might show up in the gameshow). It should add a nice little rush to the femdom setting, but the world building seems equally cruel regardless of gender, which is a great asset of the game imo.

Agreed. The Karlsson Group, one of the two most powerful entities in the known world, happens to have been entirely controlled by a small cabal of women for quite a while and some, like Elena, have taken that further as an argument for general female superiority.

Dominique may show traces of similar thinking in her scene with Cole when she complains about all younger men being useless, although that also serves to make a dom Kane look good by comparison to his contemporaries.

Karlsson Group premises is a mostly femdom setting (the occasional low-ranked male executive notwithstanding), but the wider reality of the game seems to be more generalized dystopia.

Edit: Instead of "female superiority" perhaps it would make more sense to describe the view of Elena and her ilk as "male inferiority"? It's not that all women belong on the top, many of them are brutally oppressed as well, but men are seen as at the absolute bottom of the pyramid.

 

[tarsgrim]

Those ideologies exist even in real life. Especially if those in power all hold a similar trait, ppl will end up seeing that as a sign of superiority (just see our history of slavery)

But there's no world set-up like you'd find in other femdom/futadom worlds. It's pretty logical & circumstancial, which makes it great.
The MC is not fighting against sexist ppl, just ppl who want to use him for their own benefits. In a truly women rule world setting you'd see Amys domming Zachs, but here they are both trash.

I guess the sub track can delve further into it since it doesn't need sub females to flesh it out (though I wonder if female participants might show up in the gameshow). It should add a nice little rush to the femdom setting, but the world building seems equally cruel regardless of gender, which is a great asset of the game imo.


Yes. That's the story set up, not the world building. It's like how harem games are devoid of decent good looking men other than the MC. It doesn't mean the world population is 10 girls per one man, just the game shows it that way.
Like how Phoebe's husband was a successful man, but Phoebe won in the end. Like how Alexander was the most successful person in the story.
It's not that the world has specific roadblocks for men specifically, it just turned out to be like that storywise, since it benefits both femdom(strong women) & dom routes(no other real men).

I mean, since the MC is likely to head into the Z world, would you like more men?
That was the take away from that conversation anyway: that there's only 3 men & they aren't really "men" like the mc - she specifically mentions this.

I think you have misunderstood me I was not talking about the population of the planet I was talking about who has the power

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

It really is strange how the women are so powerful in the karlsson company yet they all bend to Alexander's will easily. One would figure there would be a phoebe situation in store for alexander but they're even respecting his wishes from the grave

 

[tarsgrim]

It really is strange how the women are so powerful in the karlsson company yet they all bend to Alexander's will easily. One would figure there would be a claudia situation in store for alexander but they're even respecting his wishes from the grave

They are the daughters and wives of a tyrant, I at least try not to apply too much common sense to this situation

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

A double agent who can't lie and said she never betrayed her word. i doubt it, dude.

She's currently withholding information from her bosses about Otto, so she's basically doing that lie by omission thing that people like to do when they want to remain "honorable" but is still bullshit

 

[Remembrance]

Agreed. The Karlsson Group, one of the two most powerful entities in the known world, happens to have been entirely controlled by a small cabal of women for quite a while and some, like Elena, has taken that further as an argument for general female superiority.

Dominique may show traces of similar thinking in her scene with Cole when she complains about all younger men being useless, although that also serves to make a dom Kane look good by comparison to his contemporaries.

Karlsson Group premises is a mostly femdom setting (the occasional low-ranked male executive notwithstanding), but the wider reality of the game seems to be more generalized dystopia.

Edit: Instead of "female superiority" perhaps it would make more sense to describe the view of Elena and her ilk as "male inferiority"? It's not that all women belong on the top, many of them are brutally oppressed as well, but men are seen as at the absolute bottom of the pyramid.

Yeah.
It's just padding for the routes. Her views work great on the sub route & the inferiority of men in general show off the MC as a real man in the dom routes.
There's multiple dialogues to this end on the dom path, with the women fawning over MC as an endangered species. They express clear dissatisfaction over the other men's lack of quality which only only the MC has - a staple for harem games, only colored in a bdsm/femdom light.

Who knows, it might become a reality in the end if the sub route is played like that.
But there's no distaste against the mc for being a man in the dom route, instead most women seem to regard him highly for being a proper man.

It's flavor for the kinks of femdom & harem, and works great together.

Like I for one don't care if the girls torment the other men (I'd even want to see it & even participate, but most dom players don't like men being tormented, so not much scenes) but if another dom guy get's his hands on the girls, that'd be basically ntr & a deal breaker

 

[gregers]

It's just padding for the routes. Her views work great on the sub route & the inferiority of men in general show off the MC as a real man in the dom routes.

Probably a little more than padding on the sub route, as Kane's response does adjust a score that may play into how Olivia treats him further on. But other than that, yeah.

Like Mei for one don't care if the girls torment the other men (I'd even want to see it & even participate, ...)

OMG TWINZIES! Ahem. Yeah, you're far from alone in that, it's come up repeatedly in the past: Playing Kane as dom skips the vast majority of Olivia's domme scenes, even some that don't involve him at all. It's a pity, but that seems to be how the dev wants to do it.
At one point she mentioned wanting to go back and adjust some of that, but it seems unlikely to ever happen, now that this part of the game is pretty well tied up.