VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.1 Part I] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Ugamer1]

We do have the flashback scene between Kane and Veronica, and iirc, they were also talking about their mother (could be a symbol). There is also the "sense of familiarty" sometimes popping in Kane's head when he deals with her, and their redness/freckles. If Veronica is Callista's daughter, it would also make even more sense that she is so smart, and why she was trusted by her father to supervise the gambit. And because Olivia and her were born at almost the same time, something could have happened, resulting with the daughters raised by another mother.

The person talking to Alexander in the beginning of the game is Olivia.

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[htkk]

Well, I'm at the beginning of chapter 7.
I remember in previous chapters, Elena asked for Surveillance data of the siblings from Dominique and Dominique surmised that she just wanted to check up on one of them, it seems Dominique doesn't know the relationship between Olivia and Elena.
But in chapter 7, the Borad revealed the mom-daughter relationship between Olivia and Elena, it seems suddenly all board members know their relationship.
Why is that, did I miss something?

 

[deuxrayme]

Well, I'm at the beginning of chapter 7.
I remember in previous chapters, Elena asked for Surveillance data of the siblings from Dominique and Dominique surmised that she just wanted to check up on one of them, it seems Dominique doesn't know the relationship between Olivia and Elena.
But in chapter 7, the Borad revealed the mom-daughter relationship between Olivia and Elena, it seems suddenly all board members know their relationship.
Why is that, did I miss something?

It is possible to not know something at one point in time and then know it later. There are many things happening behind the scenes in this world. This information could have been revealed by Alexander in one of his drip feed messages. We also don't know what conversation Elena and Dominique had after the one you mentioned about the videos. It is also possible that she knew but didn't act like she knew.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Well, I'm at the beginning of chapter 7.
I remember in previous chapters, Elena asked for Surveillance data of the siblings from Dominique and Dominique surmised that she just wanted to check up on one of them, it seems Dominique doesn't know the relationship between Olivia and Elena.
But in chapter 7, the Borad revealed the mom-daughter relationship between Olivia and Elena, it seems suddenly all board members know their relationship.
Why is that, did I miss something?

Likely explanation is that Veronica revealed it when it became important to do so and it wasnt important to tell them at the time. Either that or dom was fucking with Elena at that poin, but I doubt that since its not dom's style.

 

[DoverUK25]

I just wanted to ask if anyone chose Olivia to like men only. Did you guys still get this choice? I'm playing her as bi and wanted to see what happens if you skip Kat. Well, you skip les sex with Kat. You also skip Kane's sex as well, which is crap.


Why not just jump to this screen instead and have Kat join in a three-way pork sandwich?

 

[Remembrance]

I just wanted to ask if anyone chose Olivia to like men only. Did you guys still get this choice? I'm playing her as bi and wanted to see what happens if you skip Kat. Well, you skip les sex with Kat. You also skip Kane's sex as well, which is crap.

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You get 2 variables from choosing if Olivia likes men only (during ep4):
menu:
"(I think I want some women in here too.)" if True:
$ bisisopen = True
$ lesbiansisopen = True

The lesbiansisopen variable is never checked & bisisopen variable is checked 3 times(all 3 times in ep5):
>With doctor chastain's alternative dialogue;
>whether the slave in the office shown by elena is male or female;
>and sub version of the fuckseth scene.
if bisisopen:
scene e5jarrive52 with mediumdissolve
sis "(Katsumi's looking a little delicious herself...maybe I should play with her a little...)"
sis "(She seems like a lot of fun, and she's clearly an ally of Elena.)"
menu:
"(Kiss Katsumi.)" if True:
$ katkiss = True

It's never checked again after chapter 5.
So it'is not checked during the Kat-olivia scenes in ep7; nor during mc+seth+kiyomi+Olivia event on the sub path (pointed out by someone on this thread, i don't play sub path)

The points about skipping MC-pig scene & MC-pig-Kat scene alternative is a good idea imo

 

[Dr. PuPu]

Are there or will there be other secret sub possibilities besides Alessandra? I feel like a playthrough where your sub path evolves into a dom path calls for secret sub just being a perpetual flag where you have a number of opportunities to be a secret sub to a number of women, preferably by choice. It's not exclusive to Alessandra, is it? I would imagine the idea of being a secret sub isn't because your office assistant can be more assertive with you if you take it easy on her, which I'm very excited to see. Also, I was Junko's pet before I got promoted. Will I still have that relationship?

Was there a way I could have avoided the scenario of becoming Alessandra's secret sub? I do not care much for her, and the instant demotion when you turn her down really stings.

I just wanted to ask if anyone chose Olivia to like men only. Did you guys still get this choice? I'm playing her as bi and wanted to see what happens if you skip Kat. Well, you skip les sex with Kat. You also skip Kane's sex as well, which is crap.

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I think the scene with Piggy being locked behind a bi sis option is weird. It's also the only way that I'm aware of to gain her as an ally if you're nice.

 

[Remembrance]

Was there a way I could have avoided the scenario of becoming Alessandra's secret sub? I do not care much for her, and the instant demotion when you turn her down really stings.

For the dom path:
It's decided in your 1st few interactions with her when you meet Olivia for the 1st time. There's even a pretty obvious text warning, allowing you to backtrack & revert the scale variable changes:

a "I don't mean you want to be a complete slave all the time...but just in the bedroom."
menu:
"(She's reading me wrong. I definitely don't want to be submissive in the bedroom.)" if True:
$ alessandra_scale += 2


The reason for demotion:

PLEASE READ IF ON THIS PATH: I am writing this now to clarify some questions that have come up from players. I made an error in coding in Episode 6 in that it was technically possible for a K9 ranked dom to also get the secret sub path. THIS WAS NOT INTENDED, and as a result, in Episode 7 I am giving players the option to continue as a secret sub and "lose" that K9 rank or reject Alessandra completely and get demoted to K5.
If you are determined to play a K9 walkthrough, please note you cannot do both K9 and the secret sub path/flags through Episode 7 (somedayhow this is possible) and this is what was intended all along.

I do think it's kinda unfair to punish players with demotion for the devs coding error, but maybe that's just me ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ Rather, I think dev meant to say you wouldn't even get promoted (to k9) if you had already accepted Alessandra as Goddess, so the rank is fixed/corrected to k5/subk7. Basically ignore any k9 content you got as Alessandra's sub.

Being a secret sub basically moves you to a branch of the sub route, so you cannot have the dominant k ranks. If you don't reject Alessandra, you get the subk7 rank, officially moving you from the dom track to the sub track.

The high subK ranks(subk5+) is basically a soft femdom route where the MC is more like a competent subordinate rather than a worthless slave.

Ranks as explained by dev:

Think of the ranks in basic tiers:

K1 - game will not move forward forever, so best to have this as a backup save path. I think you get what I am saying here, but just in case, err…don't assume you make the end of the game like everyone else. There will be multiple "chances" to gain this rank even after the first time so this can apply more than once.

K2/K3 - extra scenes for that rank, but still a way to move forward well towards end paths.

K4 → only way for a sub to move up without being a secret sub down the road. (can lead to higher ranked normal subs) Special note: It will be almost impossible for a true sub Kane to reach Z rank UNLESS an incredibly powerful Olivia someday opts for this kind of change. (basically, the Board as currently constituted will never go for it)

subK5 → A sub Kane can be "promoted" to K5 to close out Episode 8. For gentle femdom lovers (highly competent Kane serving more akin to a butler/servant/admin assistant type role/even limited management duties long-term if trusted) this is likely the best long-term path to take.

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K5 to K8 —> Similar path but different scenes sometimes based on individual rank. It is highly recommended to try to get to either K9 or K10 by the end of Episode 8 if you desire a higher ranked Kane down the road. So think big picture by end of Episode 8…

A) K5 to K8
B) K9
C) K10

K9 → After Episode 8, K9 can still move up easier than ranks below, but getting K10 by the end of Episode 8 opens its own path.

K10 → for those desiring to hit executive status as fast as possible, try and get this by end of Episode 8. Keep in mind the path to get this path might be different depending on Olivia's alignment and/or sis_team because she might want you to act differently, and she is a crucial vote. Your interaction with Pod W2 matters a lot too, in terms of factors not shown yet but more in Episode 8.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I just wanted to ask if anyone chose Olivia to like men only. Did you guys still get this choice? I'm playing her as bi and wanted to see what happens if you skip Kat. Well, you skip les sex with Kat. You also skip Kane's sex as well, which is crap.

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Went back and ran it with olivia liking only men and that choice is still available.
Only thing that changed is that the slave that elena presents olivia with in an earlier chapter is a man as opposed to a woman

 

[DoverUK25]

Went back and ran it with olivia liking only men and that choice is still available.
Only thing that changed is that the slave that elena presents olivia within an earlier chapter is a man as opposed to a woman

Thanks, save me going back and checking so in a way some people who hate less content will have to cuck themselves just to see the sex screen with Piggy. The charm of this vn is starting to wear off

 

[deuxrayme]

Thanks, save me going back and checking so in a way some people who hate less content will have to cuck themselves just to see the sex screen with Piggy. The charm of this vn is starting to wear off

I don't like lesbian content, so I set it so Olivia is straight. As I pointed out in the past though, that choice is automatically ignored in the Kane/Olivia/Seth/Kiyomi scene on the sub path.

As for Piggy, the SanchoGallery is there to save the day and offer a way to see it without having to see the Kat and Olivia scene.

 

[Stan5851]

Pretty weird complaints about a fairly vanilla lesbian scene. I would understand if it were about something borderline, like trans sex or male homosexuality, but lesbian scenes in porn and adult games, have long been mainstream, which, in my opinion, is the least annoying for male players, because "movie" lesbian love is almost always beautiful and arousing. And dominant love (Olivia over Kat) is doubly arousing. (imho) I don't know how female audiences in general feel about lesbian scenes in porn and this is my (male) personal opinion and I understand that some people may be annoyed by lesbian love, but this is definitely not my case.

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[Remembrance]

You get 2 variables from choosing if Olivia likes men only (during ep4):
menu:
"(I think I want some women in here too.)" if True:
$ bisisopen = True
$ lesbiansisopen = True

The lesbiansisopen variable is never checked & bisisopen variable is checked 3 times(all 3 times in ep5):
>With doctor chastain's alternative dialogue;
>whether the slave in the office shown by elena is male or female;
>and sub version of the fuckseth scene.
if bisisopen:
scene e5jarrive52 with mediumdissolve
sis "(Katsumi's looking a little delicious herself...maybe I should play with her a little...)"
sis "(She seems like a lot of fun, and she's clearly an ally of Elena.)"
menu:
"(Kiss Katsumi.)" if True:
$ katkiss = True

It's never checked again after chapter 5.
So it is not checked during the Kat-olivia scenes in ep7; nor during mc+seth+kiyomi+Olivia event on the sub path (pointed out by someone on this thread, i don't play sub path)

I don't like lesbian content, so I set it so Olivia is straight. As I pointed out in the past though, that choice is automatically ignored in the Kane/Olivia/Seth/Kiyomi scene on the sub path.

Right it was you
Also, you cannot get the pigally/pigmask variables from the gallery & I have a feeling they might affect MC's performance in the game show.

Pretty weird complaints about a fairly vanilla lesbian scene. I would understand if it were about something borderline, like trans sex or male homosexuality, but lesbian scenes in porn and adult games, have long been mainstream, which, in my opinion, is the least annoying for male players, because "movie" lesbian love is almost always beautiful and arousing. And dominant love (Olivia over Kat) is doubly arousing. (imho) I don't know how female audiences in general feel about lesbian scenes in porn and this is my (male) personal opinion and I understand that some people may be annoyed by lesbian love, but this is definitely not my case.

Thanks, save me going back and checking so in a way some people who hate less content will have to cuck themselves just to see the sex screen with Piggy. The charm of this vn is starting to wear off

Spoiler: Lesbian scenes in general

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For this VN, I don't really care about the relationship because of the world set-up. It was a calculated move from Olivia, one I support. Having Kat as an ally/subordinate would be nice for Olivia. Also, the women are never said to be exclusive so far - one Karlsson even mentions fucking other men. Not to mention Olivia-MC isn't a thing yet & MC is basically still a slave, even on the k9 track.

So I didn't skip it & didn't realise that skipping it skipped the piggy scene too. I guess the logic was MC could only get time to do the piggy if Olivia was otherwise engaged during that time.

Dover's complaint about this is justified though, as even without an alternate Kat-piggy-MC 3some(more renders more work, Olivia waiting alone doesn't make sense), the dev could've just said Olivia & Kat were discussing the game show while MC had his piggy.
I have a feeling missing out on the pigally/pigmask would be detrimental to the MC's performance in the gameshow.

This isn't the only instance of coding inefficiency in the game. 2 are mentioned on this page: How lesbiansisopen is never used & bisisopen is forgotten after being used thrice in chapter 5 and the Alessandra secret sub vs k9 error.
The story is great tho.

Spoiler: (This is just a personal take, not trying to establish right or wrong here)

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[MilesEdgeworth]

I believe yall are mistaken in what dovers saying. Dover doesnt seem to be against lesbian contact, they just seem to be against sharing olivia.

 

[DoverUK25]

I don't have a problem with lesbian content. I always to chose Olivia to be bi. I don't care if she sleeps with another woman. The thing I always chose for Olivia and Kat was to have fun. I wanted to see if mc still fuck Piggy If you skip less content. I said that people who don't like less content might miss the screen with Piggy. I never said I had a problem with less content

 

[steelmonkey76]

Checks how bad MC performs just chose those options which don't have them and voila

E Dom + seems like it would be either Elena Dom over MC or MC Dom over Elena but your saying it's 100% bad to get because I was thinking it was good to get so if you know it's bad I'll go back and change some choices I made

 

[deuxrayme]

I believe yall are mistaken in what dovers saying. Dover doesnt seem to be against lesbian contact, they just seem to be against sharing olivia.

Most of that discussion seems to have stemmed from my clarification of why I chose the straight option due to not liking lesbian content. I don't care if Olivia is with other men depending on the playthrough, but there is personal preference as a reason lesbian porn is blacklisted on video websites I use. As someone who chose the straight option, I can point out when the coding does not handle the variable correctly and when it does which was an answer to the question asked.

E Dom + seems like it would be either Elena Dom over MC or MC Dom over Elena but your saying it's 100% bad to get because I was thinking it was good to get so if you know it's bad I'll go back and change some choices I made

These points are the ones at the end of the latest update and involve every decision for each branch of the story. I'm not sure what the "E" stands for, but I don't see a reason for it to be Elena on the Junko romance path for example.

 

[steelmonkey76]

Most of that discussion seems to have stemmed from my clarification of why I chose the straight option due to not liking lesbian content. I don't care if Olivia is with other men depending on the playthrough, but there is personal preference as a reason lesbian porn is blacklisted on video websites I use. As someone who chose the straight option, I can point out when the coding does not handle the variable correctly and when it does which was an answer to the question asked.


These points are the ones at the end of the latest update and involve every decision for each branch of the story. I'm not sure what the "E" stands for, but I don't see a reason for it to be Elena on the Junko romance path for example.

The first one I saw was after Elena and Olivia met the MC in his new office/apartment in the clouds and Elena cautioned him in what he does later then two women came to see MC (can't remember names properly but one was either Pat or Sam) to go with them to a place (1st) E Dom + if you go and nothing if you don't go, so go (2nd and 3rd) in car driving I think E Dom + 1 if you tell them what you would do with both of them or E Dom + 2 and keep details to yourself or nothing if you say fuck this in going home. (4th and maybe 5th) in the train car for what I can't remember and (6th) somewhere else for what ever and that play through I was not romantically with Junko. So basically if you don't go with the two women you get none but if you do go and depending on choices you could get E Dom +6, that's why I think it's something relating to Elena Dom over MC or MC Dom over Elena.
Oh and the Gambit Queen is Callista as she faked her chopper crash with the help of the pilot to get the ball rolling on the contest. The pilot was and is MC's father's family protector who just happened to survive the crash!!! (Lucky) as he was with Cole's family in the sub bay. So many small details are just bloody ever where in this game.

 

[Remembrance]

I don't have a problem with lesbian content. I always to chose Olivia to be bi. I don't care if she sleeps with another woman. The thing I always chose for Olivia and Kat was to have fun. I wanted to see if mc still fuck Piggy If you skip less content. I said that people who don't like less content might miss the screen with Piggy. I never said I had a problem with less content

Same here. I also didn't realise you missed piggy scene if skipping Olivia-Kat since I always chose it.
If it was just a scene, it'd still be fine imo.
But my problem is you miss out on the pigally & pigmask variables, which might be impactful in the game show in ch8.
It's definitely bad design if skipping lesbian content has that much impact on the plot & possibly your chances at ranking up (The importance of the pig variables is just conjecture tho).
Especially since this could be easily avoided:

I guess the logic was MC could only get time to do the piggy if Olivia was otherwise engaged during that time.

Dover's complaint about this is justified though, as even without an alternate Kat-piggy-MC 3some(more renders more work, Olivia waiting alone doesn't make sense), the dev could've just said Olivia & Kat were discussing the game show while MC had his piggy.

Most of that discussion seems to have stemmed from my clarification of why I chose the straight option due to not liking lesbian content... As someone who chose the straight option, I can point out when the coding does not handle the variable correctly and when it does which was an answer to the question asked.

I think it was only stan who generalized it to lesbian & I just gave my view on it in a spoiler.

The coding, especially the variable handling in this game is not that great.

Bisisopen(variable for bi Olivia) is only checked in chapter 5, & never used again.
I guess the dev forgot about it or gave up on the idea starting from the chapter 6 release.
Similarly cassandraloyal is also abandoned after chapter 5.

There's a lot of variables treated in such a way, & we can only guess if they will ever come into play later in the game.

Eg: sisbonus (Alessandra gives bonus in ch.1), poorprisoners/richprisoners (whether Cassandra gets car), etc. variables are forgotten & never checked.

Oh and the Gambit Queen is Callista as she faked her chopper crash with the help of the pilot to get the ball rolling on the contest. The pilot was and is MC's father's family protector who just happened to survive the crash!!! (Lucky) as he was with Cole's family in the sub bay. So many small details are just bloody ever where in this game.

Welcome to KG, the game of guessing the plot.
Here's some other theories: https://f95zone.to/threads/karlssons-gambit-v0-7b-final-grym-gudinna-games.50840/post-10821266

Btw e is just a random letter & dom is the path. The actual variables are espts & edpts for the sub & dom paths respectively. Sancho changed it to dom for better understanding I guess.
The official walkthrough from the dev clarifies these measure how you perform, with more=lower performance. Try to avoid getting any to climb up the ranks & get more if trying to rank down.

 

[Stan5851]

and depending on choices you could get E Dom +6, that's why I think it's something relating to Elena Dom over MC or MC Dom over Elena.

Sancho1969 answered this question earlier.

deuxrayme
Remembrance
I think it's too early to judge the significance of some of the variables. Tess has a habit of creating a lot of variables, but some of them (including the ones you thought were unnecessary/forgotten) may well turn out to be classic "Chekhov guns hanging on the wall" that will shot one day, and it's not necessarily going to happen in ch8 at all. We all know that Tess wrote the game's story quite a long time ago, and her introduction of certain variables seems to me a deliberate decision, with a view to their future use. Who in the end will be right, time and new chapters of the game will show.