VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.1 Part I] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

Why is it Alessandra? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

When White-Tips and The Gambit Queen are talking they say things like:



How does Alessandra have board votes? From what I understand it's Julliette and Dominique that have three votes each, right? And Veronica is the one that refuses to help either of them.
(Also, this conversation takes place well before Dominique and Juliette decide to 'team up' during the boat scene when they realize Olivia has a real shot at taking over the company. So it's not like they're talking about 3 votes for the Dominique + Julliette alliance and 3 votes for Olivia)

White-Tips, during that conversation with Gambit Queen also says:



Alessandra is actually pushing for Olivia to take over the company, so why would the White-Tips (Ms. Grym Gudinna) be concerned about Elena not supporting them over Olivia if White-Tips actually is Alessandra?
Alessandra's support for Olivia is shown later on the boat scene:

All very valid points.

 

[kinkyshin]

All very valid points.

Also, I think the only reason everyone keeps saying it's Alessandra, is because in chapter 7 there is a scene called 'grymgudinnalives' which is Alessandra and Patricia talking...

But in the scene it's just Alessandra bitching about how two of the sisters haven't been attacking each other like she had hoped. Likely Dominique and Juliette, who instead actually formed a ceasefire and alliance until their competition is out of the picture. Which, once again, goes to show that white-tips (Grym Gudinna) is one of them.

 

[Alan Dalles]

Why is it Alessandra? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

When White-Tips and The Gambit Queen are talking they say things like:



How does Alessandra have board votes? From what I understand it's Julliette and Dominique that have three votes each, right? And Veronica is the one that refuses to help either of them.
(Also, this conversation takes place well before Dominique and Juliette decide to 'team up' during the boat scene when they realize Olivia has a real shot at taking over the company. So it's not like they're talking about 3 votes for the Dominique + Julliette alliance and 3 votes for Olivia)

White-Tips, during that conversation with Gambit Queen also says:



Alessandra is actually pushing for Olivia to take over the company, so why would the White-Tips (Ms. Grym Gudinna) be concerned about Elena not supporting them over Olivia if White-Tips actually is Alessandra?
Alessandra's support for Olivia is shown later on the boat scene:

Why you are think that Dominique and Juliette has three votes each by the question of Gambit's legitimacy (theme of that conversation)?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Why is it Alessandra? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

When White-Tips and The Gambit Queen are talking they say things like:



How does Alessandra have board votes? From what I understand it's Julliette and Dominique that have three votes each, right? And Veronica is the one that refuses to help either of them.
(Also, this conversation takes place well before Dominique and Juliette decide to 'team up' during the boat scene when they realize Olivia has a real shot at taking over the company. So it's not like they're talking about 3 votes for the Dominique + Julliette alliance and 3 votes for Olivia)

White-Tips, during that conversation with Gambit Queen also says:



Alessandra is actually pushing for Olivia to take over the company, so why would the White-Tips (Ms. Grym Gudinna) be concerned about Elena not supporting them over Olivia if White-Tips actually is Alessandra?
Alessandra's support for Olivia is shown later on the boat scene:

Tess tells us who grym gunida is. Even if the second meeting with pat could be explained away. The fact that Pat is meeting with her in secret can't.
As for the votes, I assume it's for the gambit. If it was just for the person, the queen wouldn't be talking about Elena possibly getting what she wants since what Elena wants wouldn't be any of the sisters not named olivia winning it.
Alessandra's not supporting Olivia, the only person currently supporting Olivia other than Elena is Veronica and I believe that's only because she's supporting Kane and what he wants.

 

[Maviarab]

Tess tells us who grym gunida is. Even if the second meeting with pat could be explained away. The fact that Pat is meeting with her in secret can't.
As for the votes, I assume it's for the gambit. If it was just for the person, the queen wouldn't be talking about Elena possibly getting what she wants since what Elena wants wouldn't be any of the sisters not named olivia winning it.
Alessandra's not supporting Olivia, the only person currently supporting Olivia other than Elena is Veronica and I believe that's only because she's supporting Kane and what he wants.

Three votes isn't each. Think you may have misunderstood.

As for as three votes, Yvette, Veronica and Dominique will all (I imagine) vote for Olivia/Kane. That does still make the conversation about Elena a bit weird...even weirder that surely that's what Calista wants also?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Three votes isn't each. Think you may have misunderstood.

As for as three votes, Yvette, Veronica and Dominique will all (I imagine) vote for Olivia/Kane. That does still make the conversation about Elena a bit weird...even weirder that surely that's what Calista wants also?

Yeah, it's 3 for, 3 against whatever it is the votes are for ( I imagine the gambit).
I doubt that Dominique would vote for Olivia when she wants to run the company herself, and I imagine that Callista is supposed to be a non-partial bystander. The only person on the board openly advocating for Olivia is Elena. Everybody else is either doing what Alexander wants or advocating for themselves.
I'm sure Yvette would back Veronica if Veronica wanted the power, but Veronica doesn't want it, so she likely defaults to the board.

 

[Maviarab]

Yeah, it's 3 for, 3 against whatever it is the votes are for ( I imagine the gambit).
I doubt that Dominique would vote for Olivia when she wants to run the company herself, and I imagine that Callista is supposed to be a non-partial bystander. The only person on the board openly advocating for Olivia is Elena. Everybody else is either doing what Alexander wants or advocating for themselves.
I'm sure Yvette would back Veronica if Veronica wanted the power, but Veronica doesn't want it, so she likely defaults to the board.

Sorry...I mistyped my own damn post lol...duhh...been a long day,...

I meant for Kane alone..not Olivia. Those three (Yvette, V and Dom) are actively looking to honour ole Alexanders wish of a male heir on the throne. So those three are definitely voting for Kane/sister to take over...Which sister exactly...remains to be seen, but in that particular power play, we have to assume Dominique.

However, once again, it does beg the question of Calista's motivations (given she trained Olivia)...and part in the gambit...or is Calista actively pushing for a Kane on the throne plot and just using the well trained and intelligent Olivia as the wildcard to disrupt the other sisters?

Too many damn questions as always lol.

 

[Stan5851]

Tess tells us who grym gunida is. Even if the second meeting with pat could be explained away. The fact that Pat is meeting with her in secret can't.
As for the votes, I assume it's for the gambit. If it was just for the person, the queen wouldn't be talking about Elena possibly getting what she wants since what Elena wants wouldn't be any of the sisters not named olivia winning it.
Alessandra's not supporting Olivia, the only person currently supporting Olivia other than Elena is Veronica and I believe that's only because she's supporting Kane and what he wants.

I agree with the bulk of your post, but I would argue with the last point (about Alessandra not supporting Olivia). The game openly states (on Alessa's behalf) that Olivia's success so far is completely satisfactory to Alessandra, but she still needs to be looked after.(I'm quoting from memory and if I find this render/dialogue I'll post it here, but the gist of it is this). I think Alessandra, as a seasoned schemer and player, doesn't put everything on zero (and doesn't put all her eggs in one basket).

She has several ways to come to power over the company, and Olivia's loyalty and friendship is one of them. Hardly anyone would argue with the fact that Alessandra treated Olivia far more sweetly and warmly than any of the sisters from the start, while trying to make Olivia feel as at ease/comfortable as possible.. And Olivia appreciated that. Another thing is that our agent Olivia is no less a professional player than Alessandra (except that sisters don't know it yet), and I think she realizes that Alessa is a wolf in sheep's clothing, just like most of the other sisters (well, maybe except Veronica and Astrid).

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This dialog (among other facts mentioned earlier in this thread) is another additional confirmation that Alessandra is GrymGydinna. Note that impartial and honest Veronica, who has absolutely unquestionable authority, in the justice of which even Juliette believes, secretly from Dominique, Elena and Juliette (and all others) organizes (with Alessandra) additional secret surveillance.

This turn of events suggests that Alessa, too, has a number of responsibilities (albeit not as colossal as Veronica's) to fulfill Gambit's basic conditions. Responsibilities that she does not yet have the power to relinquish, even despite her own desire for power. As we know, the GambitQueen has something without which the completion of Gambit is impossible, so Callista has all interested parties "firmly by the balls" anyway.

So it all adds up, and we have 2 responsible sisters who communicate directly with the Gambit Queen, do their part, and know much more than the other Gambit participants. So yes, I still believe that Alessa is the GrymGydinna.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Sorry...I mistyped my own damn post lol...duhh...been a long day,...

I meant for Kane alone..not Olivia. Those three (Yvette, V and Dom) are actively looking to honour ole Alexanders wish of a male heir on the throne. So those three are definitely voting for Kane/sister to take over...Which sister exactly...remains to be seen, but in that particular power play, we have to assume Dominique.

However, once again, it does beg the question of Calista's motivations (given she trained Olivia)...and part in the gambit...or is Calista actively pushing for a Kane on the throne plot and just using the well trained and intelligent Olivia as the wildcard to disrupt the other sisters?

Too many damn questions as always lol.

I believe Alessandra would be more likely to honor her father than Dominique. If not for the Elena stuff, I imagine that the 3 would be Alessandra Veronica and whichever girl Kane chooses, but that can't be it. I will probably have to pause speculating on that vote until I find out what the vote is for and who the seventh vote is ( I assume it's Astrid, but I'm not confident in saying that). Especially now that Elena has stepped down and Olivia is replacing her.

Callista is as mysterious as when the game first began. Hell, at this point, I'm not even sure that Seth is her kid anymore. I still wonder what deal she made with Alexander that allowed her to escape. Hopefully, a lot of this stuff gets addressed in the next few updates.
I'll give Tess this: she's great at world-building.

 

[Maviarab]

I agree with the bulk of your post, but I would argue with the last point (about Alessandra not supporting Olivia). The game openly states (on Alessa's behalf) that Olivia's success so far is completely satisfactory to Alessandra, but she still needs to be looked after.(I'm quoting from memory and if I find this render/dialogue I'll post it here, but the gist of it is this). I think Alessandra, as a seasoned schemer and player, doesn't put everything on zero (and doesn't put all her eggs in one basket).

She has several ways to come to power over the company, and Olivia's loyalty and friendship is one of them. Hardly anyone would argue with the fact that Alessandra treated Olivia far more sweetly and warmly than any of the sisters from the start, while trying to make Olivia feel as at ease/comfortable as possible.. And Olivia appreciated that. Another thing is that our agent Olivia is no less a professional player than Alessandra (except that sisters don't know it yet), and I think she realizes that Alessa is a wolf in sheep's clothing, just like most of the other sisters (well, maybe except Veronica and Astrid).
This dialog (among other facts mentioned earlier in this thread) is another additional confirmation that Alessandra is GrymGydinna. Note that impartial and honest Veronica, who has absolutely unquestionable authority, in the justice of which even Juliette believes, secretly from Dominique, Elena and Juliette (and all others) organizes additional secret surveillance.

This turn of events suggests that Alessa, too, has a number of responsibilities (albeit not as colossal as Veronica's) to fulfill Gambit's basic conditions. Responsibilities that she does not yet have the power to relinquish, even despite her own desire for power. As we know, the GambitQueen has something without which the completion of Gambit is impossible, so Callista has all interested parties "firmly by the balls" anyway.

So it all adds up, and we have 2 responsible sisters who communicate directly with the Gambit Queen, do their part, and know much more than the other Gambit participants. So yes, I still believe that Alessa is the GrymGydinna.

Hmm....hmmm....and hmmm again....

I will probably have to pause speculating on that vote until I find out what the vote is for and who the seventh vote is ( I assume it's Astrid, but I'm not confident in saying that). Especially now that Elena has stepped down and Olivia is replacing her.

Yeah...does Elena stepping down means she loses a vote? One would assume so...if she is no longer on the board? *shrugs*. Also yes the 7th vote...curiouser and curiouser. We have 5 sisters...Yvette....aaaannnnnd.....(does Elena keep a vote????)

Callista is as mysterious as when the game first began. Hell, at this point, I'm not even sure that Seth is her kid anymore. I still wonder what deal she made with Alexander that allowed her to escape.

Hhe...interesting POV but entirely possible at this point I agree. Not somewhere I've gone before but hell, who knows. As for her deal, again...*shrugs*...

I'll give Tess this: she's great at world-building.

I think that is something concrete all of us here can at least agree on, second to none.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I agree with the bulk of your post, but I would argue with the last point (about Alessandra not supporting Olivia). The game openly states (on Alessa's behalf) that Olivia's success so far is completely satisfactory to Alessandra, but she still needs to be looked after.(I'm quoting from memory and if I find this render/dialogue I'll post it here, but the gist of it is this). I think Alessandra, as a seasoned schemer and player, doesn't put everything on zero (and doesn't put all her eggs in one basket).

She has several ways to come to power over the company, and Olivia's loyalty and friendship is one of them. Hardly anyone would argue with the fact that Alessandra treated Olivia far more sweetly and warmly than any of the sisters from the start, while trying to make Olivia feel as at ease/comfortable as possible.. And Olivia appreciated that. Another thing is that our agent Olivia is no less a professional player than Alessandra (except that sisters don't know it yet), and I think she realizes that Alessa is a wolf in sheep's clothing, just like most of the other sisters (well, maybe except Veronica and Astrid).

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This dialog (among other facts mentioned earlier in this thread) is another additional confirmation that Alessandra is GrymGydinna. Note that impartial and honest Veronica, who has absolutely unquestionable authority, in the justice of which even Juliette believes, secretly from Dominique, Elena and Juliette (and all others) organizes additional secret surveillance.

This turn of events suggests that Alessa, too, has a number of responsibilities (albeit not as colossal as Veronica's) to fulfill Gambit's basic conditions. Responsibilities that she does not yet have the power to relinquish, even despite her own desire for power. As we know, the GambitQueen has something without which the completion of Gambit is impossible, so Callista has all interested parties "firmly by the balls" anyway.

So it all adds up, and we have 2 responsible sisters who communicate directly with the Gambit Queen, do their part, and know much more than the other Gambit participants. So yes, I still believe that Alessa is the GrymGydinna.

I'm inclined to agree with you about Alessandra; her words and actions seem to agree with her supporting Olivia. However, scenes like this, where she seems to be trying to turn Kane against Olivia, throw me off.

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[Maviarab]

I'm inclined to agree with you about Alessandra; her words and actions seem to agree with her supporting Olivia. However, scenes like this, where she seems to be trying to turn Kane against Olivia, that throw me off.

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Hehehe...because as Stan stated (and we are very well aware of)...Alessendra is a snake in the grass, a very slippery deadly one at that. 100% cannot be trusted, even if on her path imo. I'm still sure she is just using Olivia for her own agenda/gains, she is 'too' nice to her. (however, hopefully, Olivia is well aware of this and just going along with her....almost in a way doing/being a reverse Alessandra to her lol).

 

[Stan5851]

Callista is as mysterious as when the game first began. Hell, at this point, I'm not even sure that Seth is her kid anymore. I still wonder what deal she made with Alexander that allowed her to escape. Hopefully, a lot of this stuff gets addressed in the next few updates.
I'll give Tess this: she's great at world-building.

This is right on point! The only thing I can add to that is that I would love to read the very book that Tess once wrote (which has nothing to do with her game universe), but which we still don't know the title of. Knowing Tess's talents, I'm sure it would be a fascinating read.)

 

[PickerLewd]

The seventh vote may be the guy who is working on a place that looks like the surface of the moon, I think he is one of the original founders just he didn't reproduce as much as Alexander "The Rabbit" .

 

[Maviarab]

This is right on point! The only thing I can add to that is that I would love to read the very book that Tess once wrote (which has nothing to do with her game universe), but which we still don't know the title of. Knowing Tess's talents, I'm sure it would be a fascinating read.)

Oh definitely, would also love to read.

The seventh vote may be the guy who is working on a place that looks like the surface of the moon, I think he is one of the original founders just he didn't reproduce as much as Alexander "The Rabbit" .

While an interesting theory, I can't see it. He isn't a board member and also, only Dominique knows he is alive (that we are aware of currently). It is interesting however that none of his actual family seem to really mention/care/be aware of his whereabouts.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

Yeah...does Elena stepping down means she loses a vote? One would assume so...if she is no longer on the board? *shrugs*. Also yes the 7th vote...curiouser and curiouser. We have 5 sisters...Yvette....aaaannnnnd.....(does Elena keep a vote????)

I have no proof, but I'm still 100% certain it's Cole. He is the 7th member, exiled, but still on the Board.

 

[Maviarab]

I have no proof, but I'm still 100% certain it's Cole. He is the 7th member, exiled, but still on the Board.

But would Alexander keep him on the board? While entirely possible, I just don't see that happening.

 

[Stan5851]

I'm inclined to agree with you about Alessandra; her words and actions seem to agree with her supporting Olivia. However, scenes like this, where she seems to be trying to turn Kane against Olivia, throw me off.

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We know that Alessandra is a very clever and skillful schemer. I think this dialog with Kane is a classic example of the power structure principle of "divide and conquer"(divide et impera). A tactic (often covert) of creating, amplifying and exploiting contradictions, differences or disagreements between two or more parties in order to control them. Often used by a weaker minority to control the majority.

 

[Sharpshooter890]

But would Alexander keep him on the board? While entirely possible, I just don't see that happening.

Because Alexander is described as a cruel man, not a stupid one. And Cole is apparently the best botanist on the planet, as well as a DeKock. You just don't throw away resourses like that, you keep them on a short leash for future use.

 

[Maviarab]

Because Alexander is described as a cruel man, not a stupid one. And Cole is apparently the best botanist on the planet, as well as a DeKock. You just don't throw away resourses like that, you keep them on a short leash for future use.

Hmmm....fair points...fair points....

That only leads me back to the board room conversation/meeting with Olivia though. Unless I'm misrembering, when Uvette mentions the missing member, there seems to be a palpable thivkness in the air and with the rest...over it. Like (to me, the impression I got) is they know where/why (which is why I assumed the seventh was Astrid...Elana was still a board member then).

Yet only Dominique knows about his fate/where he is....(specifically and importantly, not even V who would be the most use to him).