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Silver_Crow117

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I know I’m not doing this, but It’s gonna be rough beginning part 2, if you didn’t accept Olivia’s offer of joint her and Elena’s faction… for the reason because that’ll be the only chance of joining that faction… although if you do join that faction, you can betray Olivia’s faction to join another… but it will prob have a consequence… plus it kinda closes off Callista and Elena’s plan of bringing Olivia and Kane together.. Callista definitely has other plans but yeah..

Side note: even Elena (for the sub path anyways) try’s to get Kane to see Olivia in a sexual way (for obvious reasons) but if we don’t, we can fall back onto Elena or whoever else is in that faction
 

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I know I’m not doing this, but It’s gonna be rough beginning part 2, if you didn’t accept Olivia’s offer of joint her and Elena’s faction… for the reason because that’ll be the only chance of joining that faction… although if you do join that faction, you can betray Olivia’s faction to join another… but it will prob have a consequence… plus it kinda closes off Callista and Elena’s plan of bringing Olivia and Kane together.. Callista definitely has other plans but yeah..

Side note: even Elena (for the sub path anyways) try’s to get Kane to see Olivia in a sexual way (for obvious reasons) but if we don’t, we can fall back onto Elena or whoever else is in that faction
Might be rough for those on their knees in cock cages :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Silver_Crow117

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It must be Veronica, the genius. (at the same time, Callista, also a genius, could perhaps use her talent to help her son better during the program)
I mean… in the sub path, Veronica takes you before the gameshow starts to help you get more SGame points… how many is by the player but clearly she wants him to get the most SGame pts possible.. helping him that way
 

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I know I’m not doing this, but It’s gonna be rough beginning part 2, if you didn’t accept Olivia’s offer of joint her and Elena’s faction… for the reason because that’ll be the only chance of joining that faction… although if you do join that faction, you can betray Olivia’s faction to join another… but it will prob have a consequence… plus it kinda closes off Callista and Elena’s plan of bringing Olivia and Kane together.. Callista definitely has other plans but yeah..

Side note: even Elena (for the sub path anyways) try’s to get Kane to see Olivia in a sexual way (for obvious reasons) but if we don’t, we can fall back onto Elena or whoever else is in that faction
You are absolutely right. I'm just saying that Callista is either not as much of a genius as they say, or Kane's interests are not so much her priority, because at this pace it is questionable who could be saved. (because Kane will be a crawling worm at the end)
 

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You are absolutely right. I'm just saying that Callista is either not as much of a genius as they say, or Kane's interests are not so much her priority, because at this pace it is questionable who could be saved. (because Kane will be a crawling worm at the end)
Callista may very well still be bound by the terms of the Gambit. We neither know all the terms and conditions applied to people nor the systems in place to deal with those breaking them.

Also remember Callista has been working in the shadows ever since her 'helicopter accident' (arranged by Cynthia I assume) and let us not perhaps more importantly forget, Veronica is not above lying to Callista's face.
 

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You are absolutely right. I'm just saying that Callista is either not as much of a genius as they say, or Kane's interests are not so much her priority, because at this pace it is questionable who could be saved. (because Kane will be a crawling worm at the end)
There’s different choices that will lead to many different variations… k2/3 Kane has a high possibility k4 and above who knows… Miss Tess has stated that it entirely depends on the character you pick to serve/slave away to… I’ve posted on here already what she said about that here but yeah also… Maviarab told you that Callista cares more about Kane than you realize… so just cuz plans change doesn’t change the fact that she won’t try again in a different way she’s restricted by the gambit most likely and working on the shadows.. IMG_5910.jpeg


Meanwhile, Veronica also humiliates him and treats him like a quasi-worm
Veronica doesn’t really humiliate him in a sense but confirms at that point that Kane is submissive by nature and then proceed to provide examples of it.. tho it’s interesting enough that Junko joined in with Veronica since there both possible Romance options for sub Kane and their both in WS B
 
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Popata20

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Callista may very well still be bound by the terms of the Gambit. We neither know all the terms and conditions applied to people nor the systems in place to deal with those breaking them.

Also remember Callista has been working in the shadows ever since her 'helicopter accident' (arranged by Cynthia I assume) and let us not perhaps more importantly forget, Veronica is not above lying to Callista's face.
You are totally right, at the same time, I started playing the sub path in order to see how the brilliant mother (calculating and preparing for difficulties) protects and guides her not so viable son, so far there are not many signs of her success and now knowing what Elena will do with Kane, it might be better to abandon this route.
 

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Mistress TessToday at 20:06

Quick update:

Sub Path: I have had three testers (these are more sub players so their context/input is more meaningful with vibe than tech) playing the sub path. They have eviscerated (this is a good word and I so happy they have looked at it carefully) the game with good feedback and all three caught a critical error I missed. (An incorrect scene jump) I have made the 100 render changes and am correcting about 100+ dialogue lines with little tweaks and also relooking and point balancing. (testing showed 1-2 things were very hard to get with points to trying to balance it better) While this is taking a bit more time than I hoped, the changes are really good and worth doing overall. I should be moving on from this path by the end of today. I will add one more scene to the sub path from Test Version ---> Final Version. This was always planned because I want to get some early feedback about a few things from the prior scenes.

Dom Path: I have one last large batch of renders, but the script/dialogue is now done with a rough draft. There are three more scenes I wanted to add, but I will add one right now and see if I have time to add the other two before the Test Version as the dialogue is already done for all three. In Part 1, I worked on the dom path first and in Part 2 the sub side. This time around, the dom path is a bit shorter than the sub path but I will make the dom path longer in Part 3. (I will work on dom path first for Part 3, I am always reversing the order each update how I start.) I kind of wanted to add even more but I know it's time to get it out. I am arranging the same first two testers that did sub path (more tech/errors than vibe) and then after that I will first trust my fiance for the dom side testing and then branch out with two more people more inclined as dom players.

I will also have a poll soon on Patreon. In short, my assistant Anais is likely to have a preview scene for her game coming out someday as a possible bonus scene after the credits. Why I am having a poll is because this scene will contain two minor spoilers from Karlsson's Gambit as it is set 220 years after KG. So my poll will likely be about whether to include the spoilers at all, put a menu option to avoid the specific spoilers, or not even bother with including the scene entirely. To refresh the basic concept, it will take place 220 years after KG but it will have origin backgrounds to start which matter in minor ways in game later. (Her example is Dragon Age Origins) One of the backgrounds that can be chosen will be impacted by two canon endings (one dom/one sub side) meaning that players can "port" in that specific past if desired for both KG and even new players. (Dragon Age Keep is her example) I'll not say much more on it until she does, but I am worried about the spoilers, but keep in mind my game has really fifteen endings, so it doesn't really matter (or it's not necessary) to get a specific ending or not. It's just enjoy the game and explore your favorite endings!

Last -- Based on where I am now, I am pretty much done with the sub path. The dom path has about cleared the content hurdle, so it's looking good for editing hard core starting Saturday. (I am likely to collapse about 12 hours on Sunday to celebrate finishing a rough draft) And then Monday, go hard again. So I would say the Test Version release is now in the category of "days" rather than "weeks" for a release. I hope to keep avoiding massive errors and working quickly to get it out ASAP! Thank you so much for everyone's patience -- I know my updates are too long/big but I'll address that next time. It's a bit too much even for me with compiling/editing. Expect a shorter update next time with more in the range of 2,000 renders versus I think now 4,600+!
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Mistress TessToday at 20:06

Quick update:

Sub Path: I have had three testers (these are more sub players so their context/input is more meaningful with vibe than tech) playing the sub path. They have eviscerated (this is a good word and I so happy they have looked at it carefully) the game with good feedback and all three caught a critical error I missed. (An incorrect scene jump) I have made the 100 render changes and am correcting about 100+ dialogue lines with little tweaks and also relooking and point balancing. (testing showed 1-2 things were very hard to get with points to trying to balance it better) While this is taking a bit more time than I hoped, the changes are really good and worth doing overall. I should be moving on from this path by the end of today. I will add one more scene to the sub path from Test Version ---> Final Version. This was always planned because I want to get some early feedback about a few things from the prior scenes.

Dom Path: I have one last large batch of renders, but the script/dialogue is now done with a rough draft. There are three more scenes I wanted to add, but I will add one right now and see if I have time to add the other two before the Test Version as the dialogue is already done for all three. In Part 1, I worked on the dom path first and in Part 2 the sub side. This time around, the dom path is a bit shorter than the sub path but I will make the dom path longer in Part 3. (I will work on dom path first for Part 3, I am always reversing the order each update how I start.) I kind of wanted to add even more but I know it's time to get it out. I am arranging the same first two testers that did sub path (more tech/errors than vibe) and then after that I will first trust my fiance for the dom side testing and then branch out with two more people more inclined as dom players.

I will also have a poll soon on Patreon. In short, my assistant Anais is likely to have a preview scene for her game coming out someday as a possible bonus scene after the credits. Why I am having a poll is because this scene will contain two minor spoilers from Karlsson's Gambit as it is set 220 years after KG. So my poll will likely be about whether to include the spoilers at all, put a menu option to avoid the specific spoilers, or not even bother with including the scene entirely. To refresh the basic concept, it will take place 220 years after KG but it will have origin backgrounds to start which matter in minor ways in game later. (Her example is Dragon Age Origins) One of the backgrounds that can be chosen will be impacted by two canon endings (one dom/one sub side) meaning that players can "port" in that specific past if desired for both KG and even new players. (Dragon Age Keep is her example) I'll not say much more on it until she does, but I am worried about the spoilers, but keep in mind my game has really fifteen endings, so it doesn't really matter (or it's not necessary) to get a specific ending or not. It's just enjoy the game and explore your favorite endings!

Last -- Based on where I am now, I am pretty much done with the sub path. The dom path has about cleared the content hurdle, so it's looking good for editing hard core starting Saturday. (I am likely to collapse about 12 hours on Sunday to celebrate finishing a rough draft) And then Monday, go hard again. So I would say the Test Version release is now in the category of "days" rather than "weeks" for a release. I hope to keep avoiding massive errors and working quickly to get it out ASAP! Thank you so much for everyone's patience -- I know my updates are too long/big but I'll address that next time. It's a bit too much even for me with compiling/editing. Expect a shorter update next time with more in the range of 2,000 renders versus I think now 4,600+!
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Damn you beat me to it!! And uh… Jake and Zach Cooked confirmed :LOL:
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There’s different choices that will lead to many different variations… k2/3 Kane has a high possibility k4 and above who knows… Miss Tess has stated that it entirely depends on the character you pick to serve/slave away to… I’ve posted on here already what she said about that here but yeah also… Maviarab told you that Callista cares more about Kane than you realize… so just cuz plans change doesn’t change the fact that she won’t try again in a different way she’s restricted by the gambit most likely and working on the shadows.. View attachment 4329483



Veronica doesn’t really humiliate him in a sense but confirms at that point that Kane is submissive by nature and then proceed to provide examples of it.. tho it’s interesting enough that Junko joined in with Veronica since there both possible Romance options for sub Kane and their both in WS B
There may be an interpretation of what happened with Kane, that he isn't inherently sub, he just broke under the influence of the circumstances and he can be normal again. While reading your answers it seems he is locked in the sub route.
Miss Tess wrote that she (Callista) goes farther but that means she won't sacrifice everyone and everything for his son.
 

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There may be an interpretation of what happened with Kane, that he isn't inherently sub, he just broke under the influence of the circumstances and he can be normal again. While reading your answers it seems he is locked in the sub route.
Miss Tess wrote that she (Callista) goes fatrher but that means she won't sacrifice everyone and everything for his son.
I’m not doing these discussions again, whatever you say works lmao
 
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Stan5851

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The one I am looking the most forward to seeing is the Alessandra Dom path. This screenshot below always stuck with me. On her sub path would she ever respect you in anyway? Almost made me think her Dom path would be her most true path to follow.
I don't know who Joe is, but this is that rare case where shamer Alessandra told the plain truth. ;) The weak don't live here for long, or they do, but under the heel of the strong.
 

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I haven't played the secret sub route in a long time, I think I left it at the end of episode 7 and haven't carried it over yet. Does Alessandra explain why she's okay with Kane being more dominant in public? It seems to go against her world view of men, given what Olivia talks about on sub routes, how men screwed the world up and are the inferior gender.
 

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Veronica is not above lying to Callista's face.
Why would Veronica lie to Callista, since she's the only person who can fully understand her, plus Callista, according to Astrid, is their only hope of successfully (and on time) completing the science project on Island 4 that Astrid and V have been working on for a long, long time.

Of course, I don't know the nuances of the final dialog between V and Callista (sub route), but from what I've seen from the same conversation on the Dom route, it appears that their goals are much the same, and V has finally decided to come out of her shell, thus getting another genius on her “rescue team”.
 

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I haven't played the secret sub route in a long time, I think I left it at the end of episode 7 and haven't carried it over yet. Does Alessandra explain why she's okay with Kane being more dominant in public? It seems to go against her world view of men, given what Olivia talks about on sub routes, how men screwed the world up and are the inferior gender.
Doesn't go against her view at all. She has no issue with assertive, strong men. As long as they are not assertive towards her :sneaky: :ROFLMAO: :WeSmart:. She is perfectly happy to be 'seen' with a DomKane..as long as he knows she is truly in charge, especially in the bedroom.

This only changes on the fuckbuddy path with Celeste...where she does very much treat you like an equal (as in the screenshot posted earlier). However, she has no romantic interest in you on that path, it's just fun with the three of you. On the SS route, you can still have fun with her and Celeste....however, fun with Celeste is very...very different...

Why would Veronica lie to Callista, since she's the only person who can fully understand her, plus Callista, according to Astrid, is their only hope of successfully (and on time) completing the science project on Island 4 that Astrid and V have been working on for a long, long time.

Of course, I don't know the nuances of the final dialog between V and Callista (sub route), but from what I've seen from the same conversation on the Dom route, it appears that their goals are much the same, and V has finally decided to come out of her shell, thus getting another genius on her “rescue team”.
Stan stan stan...you're forgetting she lied straight to Callista's face about knowing about Cole....
 

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There may be an interpretation of what happened with Kane, that he isn't inherently sub
Mav, I and some other players think so too, the nature of Kane's personality has been discussed here many times, but believe me, these discussions have not led to the compromise that is often reached in other cases. And not too long ago it even ended in a scandal and the arrival of a Moderator. So it's better for each of us to stay with our own opinions, because neither we (Dom players) can change Sub players' opinions, nor they can change ours. So let's just "agree to disagree" and move on. ;)
 
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Mav, I and some other players think so too, the nature of Kane's personality has been discussed here many times, but believe me, these discussions have not led to the compromise that is often reached in other cases. And not too long ago it even ended in a scandal and the arrival of a Moderator. So it's better for each of us to stay with our own opinions, because neither we can (Dom players) change Sub players' opinions, nor they can change ours. So let's just "agree to disagree" and move on. ;)
Ok so be it
 
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