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Cuz her mother gave up her spot for herWhy is she in short a future Board Member? Official they knew her a few days(others then beeing watched) and she is worthy only she is another Daughter?
Cuz her mother gave up her spot for herWhy is she in short a future Board Member? Official they knew her a few days(others then beeing watched) and she is worthy only she is another Daughter?
Sure only because she was raised by Callista and is Daugther of Alexander ?Cuz her mother gave up her spot for her
Raised by Callista doesn't mean anything if you see the kid not meeting your expectations.Theres also the issue of his being shocked by the brilliance of the kid in question. Why would he be shocked by someone raised by Callista?
Also, what island? The game so far takes place on one island, but the whole Karlsson territory was his playground. They could meet at any place, multiple facilities, instead of smuggling Olivia into an area with heavy board presence. Like the temple in the flashback, it had Alexander's building but was open to MC, hence not on the "island".who is sneaking her on and off the island for these meetings
Working theory would be he wanted her trained & raised by Callista as well as himself. After all, we still don't have much info on the gambit or on Alexander's motivations/intentions. Or Callista's for that matter.and if he wanted Olivia so badly, why would he allow her to stay with Callista?
Olivia also seemed to not know anything, but the 4 flashbacks from ch6+7 say differently, with each chapter showing she knew more than we previously thought.yet not one person appears to know anything.
I meant about the whole Olivia situation. That connection was already revealed pretty early, (that they had contact & communication with Callista, & Stacy even thought MC was lucky for having her as mom when she identified Callista's fav quote), then used to obsfucate the grymgudinna identity.As for veronica, we can assume that veronica and probably yvette knew of Callista and Kane since he was the kid from the earlier chapter when they first met.
xx is defined as ???????You know guys, if in the end it turns out that the one who is presented as xx in the scripts turns out to be Olivia, I'm going to end up being very pissed off and I'm going to do everything possible to screw up her life. Because that means that she has lied to us all our lives (kane) has been playing with us and I feel sorry for her but I forgive but I don't forget. I think that each episode that passes gives me more reasons to hate her if she ends up being XX.
but I don't think it turns out to be her It is clear that with everything we know, the xx of the intro could clearly be Olivia due to the theme of the music and such.
but in the one in chapter 3 the meeting between xx and queen gives me more a feeling that it is alexandra or even veronica but I seriously believe that it is alexandra in this case. So it is possible that Tess uses the xx to prevent the player from knowing all the game pieces and representing multiple people
I understand your point of view. and I have put it with conditions, it's not that I hate Olivia per se, but if she knew the whole truth, it seems to me that she acts very falsely with her brother Kane and I can't stand false people.xx is defined as ???????
So any character we don't know is represented by that.
iirc, in the flashback of Callista planning to escape, Cole is represented by xx(??????).
So xx can be used as long as the identity is unknown, & doesn't connect the characters in anyway.
The whole crutch of my theory was that they could be 2 ppl. (grymgudinna & deathbed daughter)
Using xx for both means both are unknown. We unconsciously treat them as the same person, but that's not necessarily true. (Dev would be smart to take advantage of the fact tho. I hope this was intentional, representing grymgudinna using the same character in chapter 1 while we were still wondering about the xx in the start screen, creating an unconscious bias to treat them as the same person)
The person who talks to the queen is grymgudinna, the person giving orders to Pat in ch1. This is more or less confirmed to be Alessandra in the label grymgudinnalives in chapter 7: Pat meets Alessandra & it contains some dialogue that confirms she followed her orders in the jail.
Now, they can very well be the same person, or grymgudinna can be different from the person present at the deathbed.
Both possibilities exist rn, so cannot be sure.
And I wouldn't hate Olivia. Rather she had to take on a bigger responsibility while MC was blissfully unaware.
You can see this in the hiking flashback, MC is definitely more carefree while Olivia seemed to have stuff weighing her down mentally.
Imagine she had to know the hypothetical question was a real possibility down the road & still make a choice? Much harder than a "fun hypothetical choice with your sister with no consequences" the MC got.
And she still chose the MC.
Alexander is never gonna get a Father of the year trophy. I'm sure those were not exactly pleasant times for her. But she did it for MC's sake (atleast will be my Olivia's motivation if I can choose).
The gambit was gonna happen anyway, defying the timeline would only harm MC presumably.
I don't think we should blame Olivia for having to lie to the person she cares the most in the world (see her answer to the question in hiking flashback). If her personality changes, that's fine. She can be her own person. But I'm gonna try to keep the prince & princess for each other, & even if there are some things she couldn't reveal to her blissfully ignorant fake brother for his sake, it'd never shake the bond between them. The escape rocket will have them as they will choose one another<3<3
In short, while I understand the sentiment, it'd just make Olivia badass for me, fooling even Alexander Karlsson, & not mind the lies. Even his mother, & everyone else, lied & he's been better off without that weight on his shoulders so far imo.
Ofc as long as there is a choice to choose MC over the world as Olivia.
Soft coded blocks like if sis_team: or if princesseyes: is fine, but there should be someway to influence that. "Olivia does everything for MC's sake & should not be blamed" is the narrative I'm trying to go for.
But some might enjoy evil olivia variations too I guess
Anyway, it's just a speculative theory & very barebones too.
If it does happen, I'm sure there will be complicated reasons for the choices, that don't paint Olivia in a bad light
I get that. It's just I see a lot of people overreact on this issue (lying, acting/protecting in secret, etc) without considering the whole complex situation.I understand your point of view. and I have put it with conditions, it's not that I hate Olivia per se, but if she knew the whole truth, it seems to me that she acts very falsely with her brother Kane and I can't stand false people.
i can´t play evil Olivia torture MC, so good can she not acting. Power corrupt but the fake brother?I get that. It's just I see a lot of people overreact on this issue (lying, acting/protecting in secret, etc) without considering the whole complex situation.
Everyone has been very false with the MC, even his mother let him get into this whole situation & specifically trained Olivia to lie to him.(if true)
So I just wanna cut Olivia some slack if possible.
The world evil & I'd rather have someone lying to me but looking out for me rather than a very honest bitch torturing me.
It'd be with conditions for me too, but I'd rather look at her heart instead of her actions - if she lied for MC's sake, whether that pained her, whether she cared, etc.
(If possible my Olivia would always do everything for the MC's sake & choose the MC over the whole world. Idk if that'd be an option tho ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯)
Does anyone know key points?
Seth is the younger brother of Cain and Abel, born after Cain slew Abel and was cursed to wander the Earth. In Genesis he's the ancestor of Noah and thereby all of humanity that survives the Flood.Is there any discussion yet about "Fratricide" (= the act of killing one's own brother)?
I don't think it is by accident that we have 2 brothers as MCs who are named after 2 of the most well known brother killers in mythologie.
Kane or Cain killed his (younger) brother Abel in the biblical Book of Genesis.
"Cain, the firstborn, was a farmer, and his brother Abel was a shepherd. The brothers made sacrifices to God, but God favored Abel's sacrifice instead of Cain's. Cain then murdered Abel, whereupon God punished Cain by condemning him to a life of wandering."
Set or Seth killed his (older) brother Osiris in egyptian mythologie.
"Set is a god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion. In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Sēth. Set had a positive role where he accompanies Ra on his barque to repel Apep, the serpent of Chaos. Set had a vital role as a reconciled combatant. He was lord of the Red Land (desert), where he was the balance to Horus' role as lord of the Black Land (fertile land)."
"Osiris is the god of fertility, agriculture, the afterlife, the dead, resurrection, life, and vegetation in ancient Egyptian religion."
"In the Osiris myth, the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portrayed as the usurper who murdered and mutilated his own brother, Osiris."
So there might be endings where Kane kills Seth and vice versa, maybe based on good versus evil rating. (Evil Kane kills Seth to take over the company, good Seth kills evil Kane to save the world, ...)
Is there any discussion yet about "Fratricide" (= the act of killing one's own brother)?
I don't think it is by accident that we have 2 brothers as MCs who are named after 2 of the most well known brother killers in mythologie.
Kane or Cain killed his (younger) brother Abel in the biblical Book of Genesis.
"Cain, the firstborn, was a farmer, and his brother Abel was a shepherd. The brothers made sacrifices to God, but God favored Abel's sacrifice instead of Cain's. Cain then murdered Abel, whereupon God punished Cain by condemning him to a life of wandering."
Set or Seth killed his (older) brother Osiris in egyptian mythologie.
"Set is a god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion. In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Sēth. Set had a positive role where he accompanies Ra on his barque to repel Apep, the serpent of Chaos. Set had a vital role as a reconciled combatant. He was lord of the Red Land (desert), where he was the balance to Horus' role as lord of the Black Land (fertile land)."
"Osiris is the god of fertility, agriculture, the afterlife, the dead, resurrection, life, and vegetation in ancient Egyptian religion."
"In the Osiris myth, the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portrayed as the usurper who murdered and mutilated his own brother, Osiris."
So there might be endings where Kane kills Seth and vice versa, maybe based on good versus evil rating. (Evil Kane kills Seth to take over the company, good Seth kills evil Kane to save the world, ...)
Even if there is any significance (and given devs fondness of god/mythological names, it is very likely), there cannot be too much of a pay-off in-game dialogue-wise, about the naming, cause both names are customisable. Like I don't use Kane for my MC, hence dialogue referencing it cannot be used in my playthru.Seth is the younger brother of Cain and Abel, born after Cain slew Abel and was cursed to wander the Earth. In Genesis he's the ancestor of Noah and thereby all of humanity that survives the Flood.
I ain't gonna speculate on the significance, if any, but any parent who names their kids Kane and Seth may have some ... peculiar ambitions on their behalf.
The game rewards dominant actions on the dom path. So not ordering the doctor, not examining your assistant, not groping any pod girl, etc. Will have negative (sub) consequences, i.e. the characters will view you as more sub.Hi guys.
Does anyone know what the "DocH" variable is regarding Doctor Chastain? Does 'H=Hate'? Just previously I joined the K2DomTeam, so it would be weird if it was hate when ordering her on her knees. However, it also makes sense if she is a dom too and an executive.
Also, what are 'E DomPnts'?