VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[lightalex]

Alessandra knows more.
V said to Yvette and Elena no one of the Daughters can shown the Information of the Hookup with the MC (Grandson).
On the Meeting Scene Olivia as Warden with MC and Alessandra on the Roof
She says his Future is only Fingertips away? Maybe i forget things, it cannot be reveald to her at that time?
What means the laughter on the Deathbed? the tyrant is dead/ better future/ finally i have you killed/ Callista revenge?
Why only Olivia train? does calilsta not know the importance of the MC? Impossible
Or we do not know if he was trained?
And when all three Children she raised failed, become evil/sub possibly get killed or killed each other she stand by and does nothing?

The writing is brilliant and all Clues can be true or the developer is an genius in letting us all in the dark thru the end
Wait and see in future EP

 

[Remembrance]

You know guys, if in the end it turns out that the one who is presented as xx in the scripts turns out to be Olivia, I'm going to end up being very pissed off and I'm going to do everything possible to screw up her life. Because that means that she has lied to us all our lives (kane) has been playing with us and I feel sorry for her but I forgive but I don't forget. I think that each episode that passes gives me more reasons to hate her if she ends up being XX.
but I don't think it turns out to be her It is clear that with everything we know, the xx of the intro could clearly be Olivia due to the theme of the music and such.
but in the one in chapter 3 the meeting between xx and queen gives me more a feeling that it is alexandra or even veronica but I seriously believe that it is alexandra in this case. So it is possible that Tess uses the xx to prevent the player from knowing all the game pieces and representing multiple people

xx is defined as ???????
So any character we don't know is represented by that.
iirc, in the flashback of Callista planning to escape, Cole is represented by xx(??????).
So xx can be used as long as the identity is unknown, & doesn't connect the characters in anyway.

The whole crutch of my theory was that they could be 2 ppl. (grymgudinna & deathbed daughter)
Using xx for both means both are unknown. We unconsciously treat them as the same person, but that's not necessarily true. (Dev would be smart to take advantage of the fact tho. I hope this was intentional, representing grymgudinna using the same character in chapter 1 while we were still wondering about the xx in the start screen, creating an unconscious bias to treat them as the same person)
The person who talks to the queen is grymgudinna, the person giving orders to Pat in ch1. This is more or less confirmed to be Alessandra in the label grymgudinnalives in chapter 7: Pat meets Alessandra & it contains some dialogue that confirms she followed her orders in the jail.
Now, they can very well be the same person, or grymgudinna can be different from the person present at the deathbed.
Both possibilities exist rn, so cannot be sure.

And I wouldn't hate Olivia. Rather she had to take on a bigger responsibility while MC was blissfully unaware.
You can see this in the hiking flashback, MC is definitely more carefree while Olivia seemed to have stuff weighing her down mentally.
Imagine she had to know the hypothetical question was a real possibility down the road & still make a choice? Much harder than a "fun hypothetical choice with your sister with no consequences" the MC got.
And she still chose the MC.
Alexander is never gonna get a Father of the year trophy. I'm sure those were not exactly pleasant times for her. But she did it for MC's sake (atleast will be my Olivia's motivation if I can choose).
The gambit was gonna happen anyway, defying the timeline would only harm MC presumably.
I don't think we should blame Olivia for having to lie to the person she cares the most in the world (see her answer to the question in hiking flashback). If her personality changes, that's fine. She can be her own person. But I'm gonna try to keep the prince & princess for each other, & even if there are some things she couldn't reveal to her blissfully ignorant fake brother for his sake, it'd never shake the bond between them. The escape rocket will have them as they will choose one another<3<3

In short, while I understand the sentiment, it'd just make Olivia badass for me, fooling even Alexander Karlsson, & not mind the lies. Even his mother, & everyone else, lied & he's been better off without that weight on his shoulders so far imo.
Ofc as long as there is a choice to choose MC over the world as Olivia.
Soft coded blocks like if sis_team: or if princesseyes: is fine, but there should be someway to influence that. "Olivia does everything for MC's sake & should not be blamed" is the narrative I'm trying to go for.
But some might enjoy evil olivia variations too I guess

Anyway, it's just a speculative theory & very barebones too.
If it does happen, I'm sure there will be complicated reasons for the choices, that don't paint Olivia in a bad light

 

[tarsgrim]

xx is defined as ???????
So any character we don't know is represented by that.
iirc, in the flashback of Callista planning to escape, Cole is represented by xx(??????).
So xx can be used as long as the identity is unknown, & doesn't connect the characters in anyway.

The whole crutch of my theory was that they could be 2 ppl. (grymgudinna & deathbed daughter)
Using xx for both means both are unknown. We unconsciously treat them as the same person, but that's not necessarily true. (Dev would be smart to take advantage of the fact tho. I hope this was intentional, representing grymgudinna using the same character in chapter 1 while we were still wondering about the xx in the start screen, creating an unconscious bias to treat them as the same person)
The person who talks to the queen is grymgudinna, the person giving orders to Pat in ch1. This is more or less confirmed to be Alessandra in the label grymgudinnalives in chapter 7: Pat meets Alessandra & it contains some dialogue that confirms she followed her orders in the jail.
Now, they can very well be the same person, or grymgudinna can be different from the person present at the deathbed.
Both possibilities exist rn, so cannot be sure.

And I wouldn't hate Olivia. Rather she had to take on a bigger responsibility while MC was blissfully unaware.
You can see this in the hiking flashback, MC is definitely more carefree while Olivia seemed to have stuff weighing her down mentally.
Imagine she had to know the hypothetical question was a real possibility down the road & still make a choice? Much harder than a "fun hypothetical choice with your sister with no consequences" the MC got.
And she still chose the MC.
Alexander is never gonna get a Father of the year trophy. I'm sure those were not exactly pleasant times for her. But she did it for MC's sake (atleast will be my Olivia's motivation if I can choose).
The gambit was gonna happen anyway, defying the timeline would only harm MC presumably.
I don't think we should blame Olivia for having to lie to the person she cares the most in the world (see her answer to the question in hiking flashback). If her personality changes, that's fine. She can be her own person. But I'm gonna try to keep the prince & princess for each other, & even if there are some things she couldn't reveal to her blissfully ignorant fake brother for his sake, it'd never shake the bond between them. The escape rocket will have them as they will choose one another<3<3

In short, while I understand the sentiment, it'd just make Olivia badass for me, fooling even Alexander Karlsson, & not mind the lies. Even his mother, & everyone else, lied & he's been better off without that weight on his shoulders so far imo.
Ofc as long as there is a choice to choose MC over the world as Olivia.
Soft coded blocks like if sis_team: or if princesseyes: is fine, but there should be someway to influence that. "Olivia does everything for MC's sake & should not be blamed" is the narrative I'm trying to go for.
But some might enjoy evil olivia variations too I guess

Anyway, it's just a speculative theory & very barebones too.
If it does happen, I'm sure there will be complicated reasons for the choices, that don't paint Olivia in a bad light

I understand your point of view. and I have put it with conditions, it's not that I hate Olivia per se, but if she knew the whole truth, it seems to me that she acts very falsely with her brother Kane and I can't stand false people.

 

[Remembrance]

I understand your point of view. and I have put it with conditions, it's not that I hate Olivia per se, but if she knew the whole truth, it seems to me that she acts very falsely with her brother Kane and I can't stand false people.

I get that. It's just I see a lot of people overreact on this issue (lying, acting/protecting in secret, etc) without considering the whole complex situation.

Everyone has been very false with the MC, even his mother let him get into this whole situation & specifically trained Olivia to lie to him.(if true)
So I just wanna cut Olivia some slack if possible.
The world is evil & I'd rather have someone lying to me but looking out for me rather than a very honest bitch torturing me.

It'd be with conditions for me too, but I'd rather look at her heart instead of her actions - if she lied for MC's sake, whether that pained her, whether she cared, etc.

(If possible my Olivia would always do everything for the MC's sake & choose the MC over the whole world. Idk if that'd be an option tho ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯)

 

[lightalex]

I get that. It's just I see a lot of people overreact on this issue (lying, acting/protecting in secret, etc) without considering the whole complex situation.

Everyone has been very false with the MC, even his mother let him get into this whole situation & specifically trained Olivia to lie to him.(if true)
So I just wanna cut Olivia some slack if possible.
The world evil & I'd rather have someone lying to me but looking out for me rather than a very honest bitch torturing me.

It'd be with conditions for me too, but I'd rather look at her heart instead of her actions - if she lied for MC's sake, whether that pained her, whether she cared, etc.

(If possible my Olivia would always do everything for the MC's sake & choose the MC over the whole world. Idk if that'd be an option tho ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯)

i can´t play evil Olivia torture MC, so good can she not acting. Power corrupt but the fake brother?
grow up together for 15-20 years and after he fails for a few days so bad( ok original 6 Month by Dev )
Revolution and or saved by deKocks.

 

[femdom worshipper]

Hi all! Guys, tell me, who has already dealt with the last chapter, on what paths do these events occur? Somehow they can't get to them. Probably it was necessary to choose Dominique or Juliet as a patron earlier. Or does it not matter? Does anyone know key points?

Here are 3 situations.

I follow the path K1. Didn't choose a patron. MC is good. Sister is evil.

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[Innocience]

Does anyone know key points?

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[MilesEdgeworth]

those blue skirts are coot.

 

[overlord2311]

can anyone upload their save files. I changed computer and lost my old one

 

[DoverDad]

So i was bored and designed to ask chat GPT to rewrite Karlsson Gambit. This is what it came up with.


Title: Karlsson's Strategy
Author: TessSadist
Chapter 1: The Unforeseen Move
In the realm of chess, where battles are fought on a checkered battlefield, a grandmaster named Karlsson embarked on a daring campaign against his opponents. Known for his audacity and unorthodox style, he devised a unique strategy that would send shockwaves through the chess community.

Chapter 2: Seeds of Brilliance
Karlsson, a chess prodigy with a sharp mind, observed the well-trodden paths of conventional strategies. Dissatisfied with the predictable moves and the stagnation they bred, he sought a breakthrough. Late into the night, fueled by passion and a relentless pursuit of excellence, Karlsson delved into unexplored avenues.

Chapter 3: The Gambit Unveiled
A hushed silence fell upon the room as Karlsson executed his masterstroke, known now as "Karlsson's Strategy." He sacrificed a knight, a move that raised eyebrows and stirred whispers of disbelief. Critics shook their heads, confident in their imminent triumph. Little did they know that they were merely pieces in Karlsson's carefully crafted plan.
Chapter 4: The Art of Deception
As the game progressed, Karlsson manoeuvred his remaining pieces with the precision of a seasoned general. Each move seemed innocuous, but beneath the surface, a web of intricately woven tactics unfolded. Karlsson toyed with his opponents, luring them into traps disguised as opportunities.

Chapter 5: Unleashing Chaos
Like a tempest unleashed upon a placid sea, Karlsson's strategy unraveled chaos on the board. Pawns became knights, rooks danced with bishops, and the once-mighty queens trembled before the might of his calculated assault. Karlsson thrived amidst the chaos, his audacity transforming him into a chess virtuoso.

Chapter 6: A Calculated Triumph
As the dust settled, Karlsson emerged victorious, his adversaries left in awe of his brilliance. They marveled at his ability to bend the rules of the game, forging a path untrodden by his peers. Karlsson's strategy had rewritten the chess landscape, forever altering the definition of what was possible.

Epilogue: Legacy of a Maverick
Karlsson's name echoed through the halls of chess history, his strategy etched into the annals of greatness. Other players sought to emulate his audacity, pushing the boundaries of the game further. Karlsson's gambit had become a testament to the power of imagination, reminding the world that true innovation knows no bounds.
Note: This is a fictional rewrite of the original work by TessSadist and does not represent the actual content of Karlsson's Gambit.

 

[lightalex]

Maybe Callista was pregnant with Luke?
We only see her in Hospital mention the Name Luke, and the Nurse says we did everthing we could.
If this is from a helicopter crash we don´t know.
Lost Luke take Seth for whatever reason, then the two other MC can not know the difference

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Is there any discussion yet about "Fratricide" (= the act of killing one's own brother)?

I don't think it is by accident that we have 2 brothers as MCs who are named after 2 of the most well known brother killers in mythologie.

Kane or Cain killed his (younger) brother Abel in the biblical Book of Genesis.
"Cain, the firstborn, was a farmer, and his brother Abel was a shepherd. The brothers made sacrifices to God, but God favored Abel's sacrifice instead of Cain's. Cain then murdered Abel, whereupon God punished Cain by condemning him to a life of wandering."

Set or Seth killed his (older) brother Osiris in egyptian mythologie.
"Set is a god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion.  In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Sēth. Set had a positive role where he accompanies Ra on his barque to repel Apep, the serpent of Chaos. Set had a vital role as a reconciled combatant.  He was lord of the Red Land (desert), where he was the balance to Horus' role as lord of the Black Land (fertile land)."
"Osiris is the god of fertility, agriculture, the afterlife, the dead, resurrection, life, and vegetation in ancient Egyptian religion."
"In the Osiris myth, the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portrayed as the usurper who murdered and mutilated his own brother, Osiris."

So there might be endings where Kane kills Seth and vice versa, maybe based on good versus evil rating. (Evil Kane kills Seth to take over the company, good Seth kills evil Kane to save the world, ...)

 

[gregers]

Is there any discussion yet about "Fratricide" (= the act of killing one's own brother)?

I don't think it is by accident that we have 2 brothers as MCs who are named after 2 of the most well known brother killers in mythologie.

Kane or Cain killed his (younger) brother Abel in the biblical Book of Genesis.
"Cain, the firstborn, was a farmer, and his brother Abel was a shepherd. The brothers made sacrifices to God, but God favored Abel's sacrifice instead of Cain's. Cain then murdered Abel, whereupon God punished Cain by condemning him to a life of wandering."

Set or Seth killed his (older) brother Osiris in egyptian mythologie.
"Set is a god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion.  In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Sēth. Set had a positive role where he accompanies Ra on his barque to repel Apep, the serpent of Chaos. Set had a vital role as a reconciled combatant.  He was lord of the Red Land (desert), where he was the balance to Horus' role as lord of the Black Land (fertile land)."
"Osiris is the god of fertility, agriculture, the afterlife, the dead, resurrection, life, and vegetation in ancient Egyptian religion."
"In the Osiris myth, the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portrayed as the usurper who murdered and mutilated his own brother, Osiris."

So there might be endings where Kane kills Seth and vice versa, maybe based on good versus evil rating. (Evil Kane kills Seth to take over the company, good Seth kills evil Kane to save the world, ...)

Seth is the younger brother of Cain and Abel, born after Cain slew Abel and was cursed to wander the Earth. In Genesis he's the ancestor of Noah and thereby all of humanity that survives the Flood.

I ain't gonna speculate on the significance, if any, but any parent who names their kids Kane and Seth may have some ... peculiar ambitions on their behalf.

 

[Samustus]

Hi guys.

Does anyone know what the "DocH" variable is regarding Doctor Chastain? Does 'H=Hate'? Just previously I joined the K2DomTeam, so it would be weird if it was hate when ordering her on her knees. However, it also makes sense if she is a dom too and an executive.

Also, what are 'E DomPnts'?

 

[Remembrance]

Is there any discussion yet about "Fratricide" (= the act of killing one's own brother)?

I don't think it is by accident that we have 2 brothers as MCs who are named after 2 of the most well known brother killers in mythologie.

Kane or Cain killed his (younger) brother Abel in the biblical Book of Genesis.
"Cain, the firstborn, was a farmer, and his brother Abel was a shepherd. The brothers made sacrifices to God, but God favored Abel's sacrifice instead of Cain's. Cain then murdered Abel, whereupon God punished Cain by condemning him to a life of wandering."

Set or Seth killed his (older) brother Osiris in egyptian mythologie.
"Set is a god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion.  In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Sēth. Set had a positive role where he accompanies Ra on his barque to repel Apep, the serpent of Chaos. Set had a vital role as a reconciled combatant.  He was lord of the Red Land (desert), where he was the balance to Horus' role as lord of the Black Land (fertile land)."
"Osiris is the god of fertility, agriculture, the afterlife, the dead, resurrection, life, and vegetation in ancient Egyptian religion."
"In the Osiris myth, the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portrayed as the usurper who murdered and mutilated his own brother, Osiris."

So there might be endings where Kane kills Seth and vice versa, maybe based on good versus evil rating. (Evil Kane kills Seth to take over the company, good Seth kills evil Kane to save the world, ...)

Seth is the younger brother of Cain and Abel, born after Cain slew Abel and was cursed to wander the Earth. In Genesis he's the ancestor of Noah and thereby all of humanity that survives the Flood.

I ain't gonna speculate on the significance, if any, but any parent who names their kids Kane and Seth may have some ... peculiar ambitions on their behalf.

Even if there is any significance (and given devs fondness of god/mythological names, it is very likely), there cannot be too much of a pay-off in-game dialogue-wise, about the naming, cause both names are customisable. Like I don't use Kane for my MC, hence dialogue referencing it cannot be used in my playthru.
Also, if my Olivia theory is true & Olivia had great knowledge of the Gambit during the hiking flashback, or atleast the person originally posing the question to Olivia had the knowledge, then the question takes on real significance in this regard, greater than just a whimsical hypothetical by Olivia.
Can you consider 'not saving'/sacrificing to save others, as fatricide??

But I don't think Seth story will have that much power. But Seth development has been very thin so far, so cannot speculate.
Anyway, I hope there's a way to avoid it.
I want MC at the top as dom, Olivia secret sub to mc but dom to others & Seth in a gentle sub relationship with Kiyomi. All in one big team.

Hi guys.

Does anyone know what the "DocH" variable is regarding Doctor Chastain? Does 'H=Hate'? Just previously I joined the K2DomTeam, so it would be weird if it was hate when ordering her on her knees. However, it also makes sense if she is a dom too and an executive.

Also, what are 'E DomPnts'?

The game rewards dominant actions on the dom path. So not ordering the doctor, not examining your assistant, not groping any pod girl, etc. Will have negative (sub) consequences, i.e. the characters will view you as more sub.

So I don't think DocH is hate, rather it should be a variable you want if you want to maintain a dominant relationship with her.

edompnts are points to be used for the evaluation in ch8. Making wrong choices awards these points so less edompts means you perform better.

This is cause many route branches are conditional. Like you may get 3 choices in one route & 4 in another. So edompnts measures how many you got wrong, not how many you got right, since the ceiling for right answer points would be inconsistent (3v4) but it'd be consistent for wrong answer points(0=best).

 

[Samustus]

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[santiago_campanella]

The download links (at least Win/Linux) don't seem to work? Some note that file's removed, others just simply timeout?

 

[DoverDad]

The download links (at least Win/Linux) don't seem to work? Some note that file's removed, others just simply timeout?

is it all the mirrors or just mega

 

[deuxrayme]

Is there any discussion yet about "Fratricide" (= the act of killing one's own brother)?

I don't think it is by accident that we have 2 brothers as MCs who are named after 2 of the most well known brother killers in mythologie.

Kane or Cain killed his (younger) brother Abel in the biblical Book of Genesis.
"Cain, the firstborn, was a farmer, and his brother Abel was a shepherd. The brothers made sacrifices to God, but God favored Abel's sacrifice instead of Cain's. Cain then murdered Abel, whereupon God punished Cain by condemning him to a life of wandering."

Set or Seth killed his (older) brother Osiris in egyptian mythologie.
"Set is a god of deserts, storms, disorder, violence, and foreigners in ancient Egyptian religion.  In Ancient Greek, the god's name is given as Sēth. Set had a positive role where he accompanies Ra on his barque to repel Apep, the serpent of Chaos. Set had a vital role as a reconciled combatant.  He was lord of the Red Land (desert), where he was the balance to Horus' role as lord of the Black Land (fertile land)."
"Osiris is the god of fertility, agriculture, the afterlife, the dead, resurrection, life, and vegetation in ancient Egyptian religion."
"In the Osiris myth, the most important Egyptian myth, Set is portrayed as the usurper who murdered and mutilated his own brother, Osiris."

So there might be endings where Kane kills Seth and vice versa, maybe based on good versus evil rating. (Evil Kane kills Seth to take over the company, good Seth kills evil Kane to save the world, ...)

I'm sure Veronica's question to Olivia that hinted at sacrificing Seth will be presented in some way to Kane before the end. Even though there is no biological link between Olivia and the others, she had them as adopted brothers for ~20 years.

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[santiago_campanella]

is it all the mirrors or just mega

All. And there is no MEGA link for Win version.

Tried GOFILE once again, and now it worked. Perhaps something was wrong with my inet connection, but I *was* able to d/load from other threads at the same time.