VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[kinkyshin]

However, "shitting on it"??? "Pearls before swine."??? You're being rude. Please stop.

Again, you're criticizing amazing writing for exactly what makes it so amazing. It's absurd.

In case you forgot what you said, you were going on about how the writer "doesn't have a fucking clue what the mystery is" and is "going to botch it at the end" because of some bizarre rule you made up after watching a few JJ Abrams films. Everything you say is just so nonsensical that it's a struggle to even figure out an appropriate response.

They were good examples of my main point (intentional vagueness to the point that it doesn't make sense for the characters to speak that way in private EXCEPT that the author is trying to hide something from the player.)

Actually, they were terrible examples and you're the only one here that's confused.

As for each one:

1) As previously mentioned, they both discuss the revolution in that scene, so if that's what they're dancing around talking about... well, that's a bit weird. I'll take your word (and Miles' word) for it that they are talking about the revolution, but as far as I am in the game that explanation doesn't really make sense to me. I guess that's part of the problem with being deliberately, overtly vague.

Yes, because the author isn't straight up telling you.. she's giving you 2+2 and letting you figure it out yourself.

When you read this scene for the first time you're only given half the information, and later on, you'll be given the other half which will allow you to reach the conclusion yourself.

This was a very simple thing to connect if you had seen the other scene, but as I edited it later, I pointed out that you might not have seen the other scene that gave the other half of information as it was on a relatively exclusive path.

2) Well, that's definitely a problem with being deliberately, overtly vague. It is never specified - even after they go scuba diving it is never clearly stated that was what Astrid was talking about.

It is addressed though...

"Astrid, let's... just forget about any further business. I'd like to hear your request."
"Oh, that? It's a tiny wish, and I'm sure you'll agree to it."
"Let's see...."
[Scene transitions to them scuba diving...]
"It's so amazing to be down here again!"
"I know you can't talk Mom, but I want you to know how much I appreciate this..."

Also, it's unclear why she needs Yvette's permission.

Not really... Here is Astrid's first appearance in case you forgot (where she meets Seth):

Astrid: "Our unfortunate and rare condition we share. You're stage 3. 99.2% mortality rate within five years."
Astrid: "Very serious, and I'm glad you're doing better now."
Astrid: "But I'm stage 5."
Seth: "Stage 5?! Holy shit, how are you even alive?"

And then later there is another scene where Astrid speaks to her sister, Veronica, over video and she struggles to get out of her chair. When Veronica finally appears on the screen, the first thing she does is chide Astrid for standing.

I have no problem if you disagree with my assessment, but hate? Hate? Really?
I'm not sure why anyone should experience hate or disgust at what I wrote.
Even if I really did come here and just (figuratively) shit all over the story, artwork, game, etc... would that be reason to upset/angry enough to hate it?
Maybe if you were the author and felt personally attacked, or like the game was your baby and needed to be protected/defended.
Anyway, you might want to do some soul-searching about why you reacted so strongly to my criticism of one aspect of the writing style of this game.

You're blowing things way out of proportion. I haven't been in some sort of uncontrollable rage ever since your comment like you're trying to insinuate. All I did was leave a one line comment about how I hated everything you said - not a big deal, or so I thought.

 

[Rufio]

Again, you're criticizing amazing writing for exactly what makes it so amazing. It's absurd.

In case you forgot what you said, you were going on about how the writer "doesn't have a fucking clue what the mystery is" and is "going to botch it at the end" because of some bizarre rule you made up after watching a few JJ Abrams films. Everything you say is just so nonsensical that it's a struggle to even figure out an appropriate response.



Actually, they were terrible examples and you're the only one here that's confused.



Yes, because the author isn't straight up telling you.. she's giving you 2+2 and letting you figure it out yourself.

When you read this scene for the first time you're only given half the information, and later on, you'll be given the other half which will allow you to reach the conclusion yourself.

This was a very simple thing to connect if you had seen the other scene, but as I edited it later, I pointed out that you might not have seen the other scene that gave the other half of information as it was on a relatively exclusive path.



It is addressed though...

"Astrid, let's... just forget about any further business. I'd like to hear your request."
"Oh, that? It's a tiny wish, and I'm sure you'll agree to it."
"Let's see...."
[Scene transitions to them scuba diving...]
"It's so amazing to be down here again!"
"I know you can't talk Mom, but I want you to know how much I appreciate this..."



Not really... Here is Astrid's first appearance in case you forgot (where she meets Seth):

Astrid: "Our unfortunate and rare condition we share. You're stage 3. 99.2% mortality rate within five years."
Astrid: "Very serious, and I'm glad you're doing better now."
Astrid: "But I'm stage 5."
Seth: "Stage 5?! Holy shit, how are you even alive?"

And then later there is another scene where Astrid speaks to her sister, Veronica, over video and she struggles to get out of her chair. When Veronica finally appears on the screen, the first thing she does is chide Astrid for standing.



You're blowing things way out of proportion. I haven't been in some sort of uncontrollable rage ever since your comment like you're trying to insinuate. All I did was leave a one line comment about how I hated everything you said - not a big deal, or so I thought.

"I hate everything you wrote", "You're shitting on this game" - Reasonable
"You're being rude" - Blowing something way out of proportion

Hahaha i love this thread

Just FYI the trope is called "Mystery Box" and it was invented by JJ Abrams and specifically used in L7Bears example, "Lost".

 

[Maviarab]

Again, you're criticizing amazing writing for exactly what makes it so amazing. It's absurd.

In case you forgot what you said, you were going on about how the writer "doesn't have a fucking clue what the mystery is" and is "going to botch it at the end" because of some bizarre rule you made up after watching a few JJ Abrams films. Everything you say is just so nonsensical that it's a struggle to even figure out an appropriate response.



Actually, they were terrible examples and you're the only one here that's confused.



Yes, because the author isn't straight up telling you.. she's giving you 2+2 and letting you figure it out yourself.

When you read this scene for the first time you're only given half the information, and later on, you'll be given the other half which will allow you to reach the conclusion yourself.

This was a very simple thing to connect if you had seen the other scene, but as I edited it later, I pointed out that you might not have seen the other scene that gave the other half of information as it was on a relatively exclusive path.



It is addressed though...

"Astrid, let's... just forget about any further business. I'd like to hear your request."
"Oh, that? It's a tiny wish, and I'm sure you'll agree to it."
"Let's see...."
[Scene transitions to them scuba diving...]
"It's so amazing to be down here again!"
"I know you can't talk Mom, but I want you to know how much I appreciate this..."



Not really... Here is Astrid's first appearance in case you forgot (where she meets Seth):

Astrid: "Our unfortunate and rare condition we share. You're stage 3. 99.2% mortality rate within five years."
Astrid: "Very serious, and I'm glad you're doing better now."
Astrid: "But I'm stage 5."
Seth: "Stage 5?! Holy shit, how are you even alive?"

And then later there is another scene where Astrid speaks to her sister, Veronica, over video and she struggles to get out of her chair. When Veronica finally appears on the screen, the first thing she does is chide Astrid for standing.



You're blowing things way out of proportion. I haven't been in some sort of uncontrollable rage ever since your comment like you're trying to insinuate. All I did was leave a one line comment about how I hated everything you said - not a big deal, or so I thought.

After his second essay of wittering...when all one needed to say was 'I don't really like Tess' style of writing but great story all the same'.

Then we could have maybe had a discussion over why he doesn't appreciae that style. Yet he wonders why he gets flamed when he let's his fingers loose on his keyboard?

Can't make it up can you....

 

[L7Bear]

L7Bear Please put the information under a spoiler. We should respect those players who consciously skip the test version and wait for the final. Thanks.

Done. Apologies to anyone adversely affected.

 

[kinkyshin]

"You're being rude" - Blowing something way out of proportion

You're intentionally being misleading here. Why? I specifically quoted what he was blowing out of proportion and it wasn't even what you said.

I've also already explained what I meant when I said it, but I'll try again with an example. If I said I hate a Taylor Swift song would you assume that I simply dislike the song, or would you tell me that a song shouldn't upset me to such an extent since I have not personally been attacked and that I should do some soul-searching to figure out why I have such a strong emotional response? Because if it was the latter, I would say you're blowing things out of proportion.

Just FYI the trope is called "Mystery Box" and it was invented by JJ Abrams and specifically used in L7Bears example, "Lost".

Okay, I've never heard of this "Mystery Box" until now but from what I can tell the main problem with this it is that an author will begin a bunch of plots without knowing exactly how yet how they actually will deliver on them, and then later does a piss poor job closing them out or just ignores them completely. Is that right?

I really don't think the problems associated with this will happen with Karlsson's Gambit for a few reasons. Unlike a movie or a TV show, a VN can have many routes and ends, so it's already a problem that's at least easier to solve. And so far, a lot of these 'questions' that we've been given at the start have already been given answers at this point. And lastly, her writing has been so on point that I'm assuming almost everything has already been planned out, which I believe would mean that Karlsson's Gambit isn't actually an example of this "Mystery Box" anyways.

 

[Rufio]

After his second essay of wittering...when all one needed to say was 'I don't really like Tess' style of writing but great story all the same'.

Then we could have maybe had a discussion over why he doesn't appreciae that style. Yet he wonders why he gets flamed when he let's his fingers loose on his keyboard?

Can't make it up can you....

You know his first message was literally the fact he likes tess's game and he didnt appreciate that trope. There is a reason he wrote a second essay and that was... drumrolll.... the responses he got.
Again, he is "letting his fingers loose", you guys are having a "conversation" the hypocrisy is just *chefs kiss*

 

[L7Bear]

After his second essay of wittering...when all one needed to say was 'I don't really like Tess' style of writing but great story all the same'.

Then we could have maybe had a discussion over why he doesn't appreciae that style. Yet he wonders why he gets flamed when he let's his fingers loose on his keyboard?

Can't make it up can you....

Interesting. I had never encountered the word "wittering" before. I doubt I'll use it, but thank you for introducing it to me.

The problem is, I don't dislike Tess' style of writing.

I don't like this one aspect.
I don't like the "mystery box" trope (thanks Rufio for identifying the proper term for it) which appears frequently in this game.

 

[Rufio]

You're intentionally being misleading here. Why? I specifically quoted what he was blowing out of proportion and it wasn't even what you said.

I've also already explained what I meant when I said it, but I'll try again with an example. If I said I hate a Taylor Swift song would you assume that I simply dislike the song, or would you tell me that a song shouldn't upset me to such an extent since I have not personally been attacked and that I should do some soul-searching to figure out why I have such a strong emotional response? Because if it was the latter, I would say you're blowing things out of proportion.



Okay, I've never heard of this "Mystery Box" until now but from what I can tell the main problem with this it is that an author will begin a bunch of plots without knowing exactly how yet how they actually will deliver on them, and then later does a piss poor job closing them out or just ignores them completely. Is that right?

I really don't think the problems associated with this will happen with Karlsson's Gambit for a few reasons. Unlike a movie or a TV show, a VN can have many routes and ends, so it's already a problem that's at least easier to solve. And so far, a lot of these 'questions' that we've been given at the start have already been given answers at this point. And lastly, her writing has been so on point that I'm assuming almost everything has already been planned out, which I believe would mean that Karlsson's Gambit isn't actually an example of this "Mystery Box" anyways.

No if you said you "dislike" a taylor swift song, i would assume you disliked it, if you said you hate everything she has sang, i would say it's a strong and personal response. However, if you said you disliked a tailor swift song, and someone said You're shitting on her music, that would probably be blowing it out of proportion XD

 

[Maviarab]

And lastly, her writing has been so on point that I'm assuming almost everything has already been planned out,

Correct. The story was written in full years ago, as was TQA and Tess' next VN after KG (edits aside to convert to a VN).

I'm guessing L7 has never watched Poirot...an undoubtedly bigger and internationally financially succesful show where oh no, they did not show the murder at the beginning...would blow his poor mind (as most shows/films like that never show either because the mystery is part of the fun).

Gonna guess Nolan or the Coen Brothers completely rage him...all amateur crap writers too. /s

You're a very patient man kinky

 

[PickerLewd]

The news about Angelica (Tess's answer to question 14) didn't make me too happy...

Is because Angelica doesn't like to share almost anything, she's probably an only child .

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I love that Angelica's a slave yet she seemingly has the most choices out of all the love interests

 

[aifgulam76]

Is it possible to play on mobile?

 

[Maviarab]

Is it possible to play on mobile?

Episode 1-7 yes. Link is in the OP. Episode 8-> no but I believe Tess at some point will work on a conversation. It's very low priority though so don't hold your breath. Can always try JoiPlay but believe it has mixed results from people who have posted here, and again, there a Joi fix in the op...

 

[Stan5851]

I love that Angelica's a slave yet she seemingly has the most choices out of all the love interests

I'm not really sure what you mean by that?

 

[Maviarab]

I'm not really sure what you mean by that?

I think he means, she has become more prevalent on every route and path than even the Karlsson sisters themselves lol. She has a T1 Dom route, a SS route, she is very heavily involved in the SubPaths...

 

[DoverDad]

Heres mine though Tess and her action photos were a pain to catch. Also, no angelica

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All faves all relevant to the ongoing story except for the one with my current fav slave

How do you get Oliva to do Lick Kane's cock I take it she needs her to be a sub right

 

[Maviarab]

How do you get Oliva to do Lick Kane's cock I take it she needs her to be a sub right

goldilocksdom and sissub >= 7 is all that is required. The flag is obtained in 0.8.1

 

[Stan5851]

Is because Angelica doesn't like to share almost anything, she's probably an only child .

Or maybe Tess just decided to take away our dreams...and if that's the case, she succeeded. See what a double-edged sword that turned out to be? If we hadn't asked Tess to move Angelica from T2 to T1, we probably wouldn't have been able to build too deep a relationship with her, but we might have gotten an O+A harem since Angelica would have only been T2.

And now that her romance (technically) has the same level of depth as it does for characters of the Karlsson sisters' level, Tess decides to make a horse move, and in addition to the recently announced information that Angelica is prone to cheating/cunning (which makes sense given her past in the Wastelands), she apparently doesn't like polygamous unions. Is she too capricious for an ordinary, albeit very beautiful and intelligent, but still K4 slave girl? Just a thought in my head..

 

[Maviarab]

recently announced information that Angelica is prone to cheating/cunning

Eh? Where did you read that? Certainly not in the Q&A.

Or did you mean, she won't accept us beng with other women (or not many at all)...just like Veronica?

 

[Stan5851]

Eh? Where did you read that? Certainly not in the Q&A.

Of course not. It was on Tess's Discord. I'll try to find it. (f ....ing discord search, arr!..)