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No idea but Im assuming she's Swedish since she uses swedish terminology in the game and the masks are also swedish
Yeah, I'm leaning towards that one too. Even the name "Grym Gudinna" means "Cruel Goddess" in Swedish. And the masks you mentioned have significance too. And as for South Africa... she recently wrote in discord (when introducing her boyfriend as a future assistant to communicate with the gaming community) that he was born in South Africa, so the inspiration (in KG) of that country might be related to that fact.
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Back to Tess's possible Swedish roots...A long time ago in this thread I saw a picture (posted by Tess herself, I think) of her standing in front of a swimming pool or something... Anyway, it's a blonde-haired girl..And at that moment I for some reason immediately had associations with the Nordic appearance of fair-haired Scandinavian girls...This is, of course, a dubious argument, (and it's not a fact that it was Tess herself) but, nevertheless, it's a couple of cents more to the bank of assumptions that she is indeed Swedish (living in US now).
 

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Any news / updates on Tess`s written walkthrough for v0.8.1 part 1 ?

There has always been a ton of info about the current and future of the VN in those.
Right now, Tess is in the middle of doing just that. See her Development memo here and her discord for more details. But if that's the only thing holding you back from playing the game, you can use the Sancho Mod (Multi Mod) linked in the OP. It's pretty much indispensable in this game (especially for serious players who have many different saves with different playthrough settings).
 

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Hi and thanks for the help. I can say that I have played all DOM paths and maybe that's why I haven't reached anything higher than K7.

I followed your advice and went back to try and find the pages(501-515) where the K rating paths were but didn't see them. I also downloaded both Walkthrough's (0.6 by Raven and 0.7 by Tess) and discovered that neither is laid out for following a path to obtain the highest K rating. At least for my simple mind. Especially for my age. :)

I feel that there should be a separate Walkthrough that is solely for obtaining the highest K rating possible. Thus eliminating any and all superfluous entries not related to obtaining the highest rank possible. Maybe both existing Walkthrough's could be enhanced by the authors to include a new Text Color to signify the path to achieve highest K rating regardless of DOM/SUB/LI's/Etc.

I'd ask you for your further help but feel that I'd be dominating your valuable time in F95 and don't want to do that. I really like this VN/Game for all it's story content and plots. Maybe enough iterations will teach me what I need to do to get better.

Thanks again for your help.
Thanks for the guide. It's nice to have this.

I was lucky enough to actually get to K9 on my 7th playthrough by making some changes in my decisions.

I'm kind of the the player that likes to do it without walkthrough or guides if possible but this one was a bit hard on me :)

Thanks!
Was going to give you detailed ways on both..but see Yu beat me to it hehe. Never worry about taking up my time, I'm retired, have plenty of time to help people with this wonderful VN. My door as they say is always open either here or in DM. Glad you finally got it though. I will add though, not sure why Yu did not tell both paths as the Dominique way is 1. Simplerand 2. Probably more benefical long term.

For Dominique way, you must have Junko's Romance path open and meet Dominique first. Do not break Junko's romance path at the spa scene with Kitty, Channel, Delilah and Reyes. Dominique will fast-track you herself to K7. The next morning in the new home, Junko will wake you. Feel free to reject her here if you wish, what you do now going forward is irelevent. This way will also net you an extra sponsor, and allow more wiggle room for mistakes in order to still hit K8 on first appraisal.

I don't know who no.7 is but I'd be extremely shocked if it was Astrid. Homegirl took getting tortured with a disease to bending to his whims, I don't see her being on a board that would help bring his vision to fruition. Especially when she doesn't give a shit about his theories.

So if we eliminate Cole ( Of the sisters, only Dom and Veronica know where he is), Astrid ( reasons stated above), we are starting to run out of people. I'd wonder if Callista was unlucky no.7 but it wouldn't be that easy. This is a difficult thing to figure out
I originally thought it could be Cole, but as people here have pointed out - most folks in KG think he's dead, so it doesn't work. The Board member is on a 'special assignment', so unless it's an entirely new character we've never seen before I have to go with Callista (with her being GQ and all). Alexander kept tabs on her, but didn't interfere in the Jakobs family life (so far as we can tell), so he might've kept her Board membership.
Look. You all know how a board of directors work. We've been told it's 7 specifically so there can never be a deadlock. Whoever it is, has to be around somewhere...or certainly around a lot in the past or they would not be able to vote now...would they? You can't have a missing board member unable to vote for however many years. Callista was also supposed to be dead as far as the board were concerned remember? Hmmm? So whoever it is, is someone who is only away 'temporarily'...but has been at the KG or the facility for quite some time.

This immediately rules out characters that have been 'missing' for quite some time. I've moved away from Astrid given Alexander presumed she was dead (as probably other board members too). I'm leaning towards Alessa/Julies mother right now.

Could playing save from compressed part 1 have any effect in part 2? Asking because I got a dialogue referencing something that didn't happen in my playthrough -
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Speaking of what didn't happen, shame there wasn't more with Pamela, deep mine tour sounded nice ;)
Compression doesn't affect the story, only the quality and size of the images.

However, there is a code bug regarding the Veronica/Nadia scene where even if you did not have Veronica's sponsorship (never went to her work placement) the dialogue still states you saved Maria, even if you didn't. The code for MariaDies is set to false by default in 08 and no check is made to see if she actually either a) did or b) you were never there anyway. it doesn't affect anything at the moment either way so don't worry about, sure will be fixed in a b version or Part 2.

As for Pamela, yes that 'tour' should have happened on GD07, maybe it did but was a throwaway line just to show that Kane is doing stuff even if we don't see it, or maybe Tess forgot lol...or given everything that does actually happen on GD07, maybe (hopefully) it just got delayed. I was looking forward to that myself.

Any news / updates on Tess`s written walkthrough for v0.8.1 part 1 ?

There has always been a ton of info about the current and future of the VN in those.
Give her a chance...it's coming.

and now Elena, who MAY have told Olivia legally or otherwise
Still going with Olivia knows nothing huh. She knew all along.

Maybe Kiyomi, as she was there at the one meeting, and she looks to be working with the Revolution
Where do you figure that exactly? The dialogue from Callista could have been directed to either Veronica or Kiyomi. She was most likely there for Veronica, not Callista. So she has deals with Otto...that makes her a revolutionary now does it? No evidence to support it anywhere. That aside, Kiyomi romance is only on one specifi world state ending...and that is not the revolution ending.

Veronica also says that Board members will not trust or heed Callista, especially with her long years in hiding.
I miss something again?
 
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Right now, Tess is in the middle of doing just that. See her Development memo here and her discord for more details. But if that's the only thing holding you back from playing the game, you can use the Sancho Mod (Multi Mod) linked in the OP. It's pretty much indispensable in this game (especially for serious players who have many different saves with different playthrough settings).

Thanks, have been playing the new release. Was just curious about the WT doc.
 
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So first off, who and what Otto is is confusing as hell, for Kiyomi points out that apparently the Otto who arrived with Cynthia (and thus presumably the only one we've seen) is actually someone in disguise masquerading as "Otto", but he's still competent enough to have a long (tying) sparring match with Kiyomi
Kiyomi and "Otto" are working together on some plot (after his disguised is critiqued, he asks if their plan is over before it has begun).
Um, what? Sorry, but you're making stuff up. Kiyomi was talking about the servant in the red mask (who turned out to be Callista, I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS! :WeSmart:), not about Otto himself. The text doesn't leave room for interpretation, it's very clear whom she recognised. Kiyomi clearly is not a part of whatever DeKocks/Otto/RedMask are planning, but she didn't rat them either, which, depending on said goal, could make her a potential ally.
 
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All I'm gonna say in response to that is...there's a whole lotta supposition going on there....I do sometimes wonder where you get some of your thoughts from.
Well let's take Kiyomi at the first Callista-Veronica meeting.

Question/Mystery: "Why is Kiyomi there? What does Kiyomi know? Why doesn't Kiyomi attack/reveal herself to the pair?"

I then look at the evidence of who the characters are, their codes and motivations, their uncontrolled internal monologue and automatic emotional/mental/physical responses to unexpected prompts being their only guaranteed honest thoughts/actions. I examine their actions and what they clearly know later in the game that there's no evidence of them knowing something prior to the scene in question. I consider relationships, who is loyal/working for/allied to whom, or against whom. I then consider every possible scenario that could match the evidence presented.

There is nothing in the scene that explicitly demonstrates Kiyomi knows who either woman is upon her arrival... but there is also no evidence that Kiyomi DOESN'T know who one or both of the women are, so until more evidence/revelation is given at a later date all four scenarios are possible: 1) Kiyomi doesn't know either, 2) Kiyomi knows who Veronica is, but not Callista, 3) Kiyomi knows who Callista is but not Veronica, 4) Kiyomi doesn't know who either of them are.

I also didn't mention there is the possibility that Kiyomi just saw the pair, but they were speaking too low for her to hear or make out what they were saying. Again, we don't have any evidence that confirms or denies whether Kiyomi could hear the conversation, as there has been ZERO follow-up to Kiyomi being there, making it almost seem like Tess including her was either a pointless addition (like Olivia deciding which Department she will work with first), or she just forgot (like Pamela).

I also look at multiple scenes, in the previous case, every scene with Otto, every non-sex scene with Junko, all of her scenes and statements about Dominique, all the scenes that suggests a connection between Otto and Dominique (there are none), every scene with Kiyomi (who is working with Otto), and others, but that's getting into the weeds.


As for the "important conversations happen after fade-to-black", here are some examples just off the top of my head (paraphrased):
Ep. 5 - Veronica-Yvette-Elena
V: Now I need to go over the logistics of this part of our project that Kiyomi has been running the day-to-day operations on, so buckle-up, we're going to be here a while.
BLACK

Ep. 5 - Dominique Proposes an Alliance
J: Alright, I'll consider the evidence [of Veronica pushing Olivia to the top] you have, but let's get off the boat first before you show me.
BLACK

Ep. 7 - Grymm Gudinna Lives
A: I want my sisters ready to kill each, and with any luck, that one of them will die. Now shut up and I'll tell you what I want you to do.
BLACK

Um, what? Sorry, but you're making stuff up. Kiyomi was talking about the servant in the red mask (who turned out to be Callista, I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS! :WeSmart:), not about Otto himself. The text doesn't leave room for interpretation, it's very clear whom she recognised. Kiyomi clearly is not a part of whatever DeKocks/Otto/RedMask are planning, but she didn't rat them either, which, depending on said goal, could make her a potential ally.
Ep. 6 Kiyomi and Otto on top of the sub
K: ...but I'm a little disappointed in you.
O: Why?
K: No one else will likely notice it, but I did. You made a mistake.
O: I did?
K: Yes. It's not enough to hide one's appearance. A very keen eye might recognize even the subtle movements that are unique and specific to an individual.

WHO made a mistake? Kiyomi says "You" meaning "Otto". The fake failed to properly copy Otto's subtle movements, so a keen eye would realize that something was wrong, and that "Otto" is not Otto. Kiyomi does not mention anyone else as messing up. If Callista is the one that messed up, then the fault is hers, NOT Otto's, especially considering her intelligence, and evident propensity for subterfuge. Why then would honorable Kiyomi blame an innocent party for another person's mistake?

And you say I'm making stuff up when Kiyomi specifically calls out Otto.
 
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Ep. 6 Kiyomi and Otto on top of the sub
K: ...but I'm a little disappointed in you.
O: Why?
K: No one else will likely notice it, but I did. You made a mistake.
O: I did?
K: Yes. It's not enough to hide one's appearance. A very keen eye might recognize even the subtle movements that are unique and specific to an individual.
Dude, you provided a quote (I assume it's a quote) that proves my point and came to the opposite conclusion... English is not my native language, but I know that 'you' can mean both an individual ('Bob, you made a mistake') and a group ('You guys made a mistake'). Regardless, she's just pointing out a mistake - 'It's not enough to hide one's appearance. A very keen eye might recognize even the subtle movements that are unique and specific to an individual.' As in I see who's behind the mask because of how that person moves (and I recognize those movements).

So yes, you (the person) are making stuff up.
 

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Dude, you provided a quote (I assume it's a quote) that proves my point and came to the opposite conclusion... English is not my native language, but I know that 'you' can mean both an individual ('Bob, you made a mistake') and a group ('You guys made a mistake'). Regardless, she's just pointing out a mistake - 'It's not enough to hide one's appearance. A very keen eye might recognize even the subtle movements that are unique and specific to an individual.' As in I see who's behind the mask because of how that person moves (and I recognize those movements).

So yes, you (the person) are making stuff up.
No, you are jumping to an other than direct meaning of Kiyomi's exact wording. The direct reading says Kiyomi is disappointed with Otto because Otto made a mistake. Anything else is an alternate meaning. In any textual interpretation, regardless of language or era, the direct meaning has the greatest weight, while alternate meanings are listed as possible, until extensive evidence is presented that overwhelmingly supports a specific alternate meaning over the direct one, the direct one is always the primary reading. A direct reading NEVER makes up stuff, because it is the exact verbiage that the author used.
 

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Um, what? Sorry, but you're making stuff up. Kiyomi was talking about the servant in the red mask (who turned out to be Callista, I FUCKING TOLD YOU GUYS! :WeSmart:), not about Otto himself. The text doesn't leave room for interpretation, it's very clear whom she recognised. Kiyomi clearly is not a part of whatever DeKocks/Otto/RedMask are planning, but she didn't rat them either, which, depending on said goal, could make her a potential ally.
That Callista is the one hiding under the red mask (in DeKock's arrival scene) was obvious from the beginning, as soon as Kiyomi told Otto that he made a mistake and so on. It was too fat and delicious a hint to think otherwise, hehe.

And yes, Kiyomi is running her own game, unrelated to Otto and the revolutionary conspirators...and that game personally intrigues me more than much else... Kiyomi and her code of honour are unlikely to allow her to openly betray the Karlsson's, those she has sworn to serve, but that doesn't mean she has to give 100% where it goes against her morals and code.

For example, she completely refused to participate in an upcoming violent show, then secretly softened Seth's painful experience with Juliette..She reacts negatively to any injustice (for example, if Olivia orders her to treat Kane more gently than the others) or if KaneDom is too harsh in dialogue with her and approves of holding death duels between the show's contestants.

Overall, I think she's just following her code of honour, countering Karlsson sisters' sadistic tendencies at every opportunity, but not hurting any of them. And, in my opinion, it's pretty obvious that the only one she truly trusts is Veronica...Vi has skeletons in her wardrobe too, but Kiyomi trusts her unconditionally, because only she can change something (if we are talking about global projects of continental and planetary scale).

So I think Kiyomi will be with her till the end no matter what happens and will die for her if need be.
Uh, I want a facepalm emoji back.
Me too.
 
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No, you are jumping to an other than direct meaning of Kiyomi's exact wording.
No, he isn't...because the 'you' is neither defined, italicized or quoted (which would specifically refer to the person she was talking to). So in this case, the 'you' is a general term for the entire group given the context.

That Callista is the one hiding under the red mask (in DeKock's arrival scene) was obvious from the beginning, as soon as Kiyomi told Otto that he made a mistake and so on. It was too fat and delicious a hint to think otherwise, hehe.
It does however beg the question, how the hell does she keep slipping in and out of the facility and more importantly get somewhere that Elena had to use a damn plane to get to. I guess we'll just leave that to callista plot powers and reasons :ROFLMAO:
 
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No, he isn't...because the 'you' is neither defined, italicized or quoted (which would specifically refer to the person she was talking to). So in this case, the 'you' is a general term for the entire group given the context.
You quoted me saying "you" to Sharpshooter890, and I didn't italicize or quote it. I also just now did the same thing to you inbthe previous sentence. So when I said "you" to Sharpshooter890 in my last post, and to Maviarab in the previous sentence, was I referring to the group, per your logic, or was I referencing the individual? The answer: the individual, that was my intent, that is what I said and that is all it means. Who are you and Sharpshooter890 referring to when you say "You are making things up," me individually, or a group of me's, as again there aren't any italics or quotes.
 

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It does however beg the question, how the hell does she keep slipping in and out of the facility and more importantly get somewhere that Elena had to use a damn plane to get to. I guess we'll just leave that to callista plot powers and reasons :ROFLMAO:
If you mean how Callista can move freely between closed rooms (like Veronica's closed labs, including her secret place where she took Kane)... then I guess it's pretty simple... Kiyomi after her dialogue with Otto (DeKocks arrival scene) could have informed Veronica of her arrival at JoyFacility, at which point Veronica gave Callista free passage to wherever she needed to go. Vi could have simply given a direct order to her AI, and it opened all the doors in front of Callista. Anyway, there could be several possibilities here.
 
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Discussing even over semantics.

That's the magic of this game!! :LOL:
Well in this instance it has merit.

Yu has taken Kiyomi's words to Otto as being directly 'towards' Otto, meaning himself. Then he comes up with this fantastical theory that someone who looks identical to Otto is pretending to be him...or, despite the fact there is nothing to support his theory, ever shown, nor hinted at, anywhere, someone is using Mission Impossible level technology to disguise himself...

Where as least three us (two being non-native English speakers I'll add) understood perfectly the meaning of the sentence, it's grammatical context and that Kiyomi was in fact not referring directly to Otto himself when she said "you made a mistake"...

Never mind the fact, all high-level Karlsson people speak in riddles, never speak straight or plainly and always carefully measure their words. But no...Yu jumps straight into the fantastical and then more so, claims it as fact but more theories made up to support the first one.
 

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As for Callista's movements around the island...If Callista has a yacht that she can use to get around, why shouldn't she have a light-engine aeroplane like Elena?
 
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If you mean how Callista can move freely between closed rooms (like Veronica's closed labs, including her secret place where she took Kane)... then I guess it's pretty simple... Kiyomi after her dialogue with Otto (DeKocks arrival scene) could have informed Veronica of her arrival at JoyFacility, at which point Veronica gave Callista free passage to wherever she needed to go. Vi could have simply given a direct order to her AI, and it opened all the doors in front of Callista. Anyway, there could be several possibilities here.
Huh? I swear, it's not my quote, the site must be broken or something. As for Callista wandering around JF, I think Nadia probably had something to do with it, she's allegedly the greatest hacker ever.
 
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