VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

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Maviarab said:
Yeah but I meant specifically away from the SS path, if you start at K4, you can get out of the K4 track and get promoted already. This then becaomes, basically in essence, a SS dom path which seriously disappointed me as it's no different. Maybe Tess going to actually expand on this route properly now?
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I actually tried that path at your suggestion last time, and it's currently so disappointing that the NPCs do not even remember properly Kane's actions. As in, when I got the first "secret sub" scene with Alessandra after I got Kane promoted to K5, she even told Kane stuff like "did you know some of the lesser men in this program have their dicks locked in chastity?".

'Yeah, as a matter of fact I do know Alessandra, and so do you, as yesterday I was a K4 and you stepped on my caged dick and had me worship your pussy while you were giving shocks to Zach and Jack - surely you must remember m'lady?" :LOL:

My Kane must've been befuddled at Alessandra's (and Celeste's) sudden memory loss, but seriously, the secret sub scene in chapter 6 does not take into account whatsoever if you entered the facility as a K4 or a K5 and all of Alessandra and Celeste's lines are written as if you were always a K5, which is quite annoying and immersion-breaking, so hopefully the "full sub on the dom paths" concept gets a little more love and attention from Tess in the coming updates.
 
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Maviarab said:
Yeah but I meant specifically away from the SS path, if you start at K4, you can get out of the K4 track and get promoted already. This then becaomes, basically in essence, a SS dom path which seriously disappointed me as it's no different. Maybe Tess going to actually expand on this route properly now?
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I wouldn’t say it’s a secret sub path… it’s still the sub route but your up your rank… she says it right hereIt will be possible for a true sub to hit rank K5 after rank K5 after Part 3. It will be different than K4 with some scenes in Episode 9, but in the grand
scheme of overall status, K5 as a sub will not be as meaningful as K6.”

True Sub will be different than secret sub
 
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LAKueiJin said:
I actually tried that path at your suggestion last time, and it's currently so disappointing that the NPCs do not even remember properly Kane's actions. As in, when I got the first "secret sub" scene with Alessandra after I got Kane promoted to K5, she even told Kane stuff like "did you know some of the lesser men in this program have their dicks locked in chastity?".

'Yeah, as a matter of fact I do know Alessandra, and so do you, as yesterday I was a K4 and you stepped on my caged dick and had me worship your pussy while you were giving shocks to Zach and Jack - surely you must remember m'lady?" :LOL:

My Kane must've been befuddled at Alessandra's (and Celeste's) sudden memory loss, but seriously, the secret sub scene in chapter 6 does not take into account whatsoever if you entered the facility as a K4 or a K5 and all of Alessandra and Celeste's lines are written as if you were always a K5, which is quite annoyuing and immersion-breaking, so hopefully the "full sub on the dom paths" concept gets a little more love and attention from Tess in the coming updates.
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Yeah exactly this. Despite the few dialogue inconsistencies it effectively becomes a secret sub route. I was as I said, very disappointed myself that was it. I'd have even been happier if it become a full dom path at that point rather than what it was. Hpowever, it seems Tess is expanding on this going forward so, I guess we shall see. I ultimately don't really care either way as it's a save I have just for the sake of doing it...

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I wouldn’t say it’s a secret sub path… it’s still the sub route but your up your rank… she says it right hereIt will be possible for a true sub to hit rank K5 after rank K5 after Part 3. It will be different than K4 with some scenes in Episode 9, but in the grand
scheme of overall status, K5 as a sub will not be as meaningful as K6.”

True Sub will be different than secret sub
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That's the point. Currently it very much is. You go from K4 to K5...and you automatically enter the Alessa SS path while now being on the dom path. There's no difference at all...currently. Let's hope this new info expands on this currently, very disappointing path. (as you may as well just do the Alessa SS route in the first place).
 
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Yeah exactly this. Despite the few dialogue inconsistencies it effectively becomes a secret sub route. I was as I said, very disappointed myself that was it. I'd have even been happier if it become a full dom path at that point rather than what it was. Hpowever, it seems Tess is expanding on this going forward so, I guess we shall see. I ultimately don't really care either way as it's a save I have just for the sake of doing it...


That's the point. Currently it very much is. You go from K4 to K5...and you automatically enter the Alessa SS path while now being on the dom path. There's no difference at all...currently. Let's hope this new info expands on this currently, very disappointing path. (as you may as well just do the Alessa SS route in the first place).
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I think it revolves around “when” you hit k5 mark, specifically for the secret sub path… before the gameshow starts is pretty much where the line is drawn for what your Kane is going to be… like right up before the Gameshow, Veronica pretty much says that your submissive by default (and that there’s no really dom behaviors) that’s the way I’m looking at it :)
 
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I can no longer read Kuei-Jin without getting angry, LAKueiJin you remind me of the traitorous rat Ming Xiao :FacePalm:. No offence to you.
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"None taken, neonate! One cannot expect reactions other than blind anger and emotional outrage from... your kind. Now excuse me, Cainite, for I, the Jade mistress of many faces, shall take my rightful place atop the Ivory tower! In the mean time I invite you, my naive champion, to take a nice maritime holiday in Santa Monica Bay with the Ankaran Sarcophagus!" - that's Mistress Ming Xiao sending her regards to you as she takes over LA ;)

Anyway, nice to meet a fellow "kindred" (eg Vampire: the Masquerade fan) over here! Kinda fun that with all the dark themes, vampires, werewolves and apocalyptic prohecies in the world of darkness, I always found it a more warm and less dystopian setting than the capitalist nightmare Tess has weaved in Karlssson's gambit! :LOL:
 
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LAKueiJin said:
Think about it though - Kane's name alludes to one of two things. Either a cane/walking stick, suggesting Olivia might give him the Harry treatment or, you know, his cursed-to-never-win-any-trophy footballer namesake. Also, foot+ball = ballbusting! The stars align, and they all seem to suggest it's little slave Kane that's in for a spanking/ballbusting by Goddess Olivia, not the other way around! :LOL::sneaky:
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Are you doubting Tess? Personally, I don't. Tess has always been consistent and done what she promised/announced... And as for the references in the MC's name, I think that the name Kane refers us to the biblical name Cain (yes, the same one who killed his brother Abel).
 
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Are you doubting Tess? Personally, I don't. Tess has always been consistent and done what she promised/announced... And as for the references in the MC's name, I think that the name Kane refers us to the biblical name Cain (yes, the same one who killed his brother Abel).
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Where did I doubt her? I merely said she already wrote several paths where Kane is utterly humiliated and trampled under Olivia's heels (in the existing content) - I don't even care for one path where the opposite happens in the future. As for the name being a reference to "Cain", fair enough, that's one interpretation. It's nowhere near as fun as my jab at Harry Kane and Spurs but, fine, go ahead and ruin the joke! :LOL:

Do keep in mind though that Cain got punished by God for killing his brother, so that might still spell a ghastly K1 future for poor MC, where the Satan that's gonna torture him for eternity is probably guard Samantha... :sneaky: (yeah, i know Cain actually got punished with exile, nothing as drastic as being sent to hell, which a K1 ranking is pretty much the equivalent of, but Tess is God in her own game universe, so who knows how she'll punish him?)

At the end of the day I don't care if Kane gets to dom Olivia on one path, as my Kane will always be a slave to either her, Alessandra, Dominique or Juliette when I'm feeling spicy, but no I never said anywhere in this comment chain that I don't think Tess will deliver on that promise.
 
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"None taken, neonate! One cannot expect reactions other than blind anger and emotional outrage from... your kind. Now excuse me, Cainite, for I, the Jade mistress of many faces, shall take my rightful place atop the Ivory tower! In the mean time I invite you, my naive champion, to take a nice maritime holiday in Santa Monica Bay with the Ankaran Sarcophagus!" - that's Mistress Ming Xiao sending her regards to you as she takes over LA ;)

Anyway, nice to meet a fellow "kindred" (eg Vampire: the Masquerade fan) over here! Kinda fun that with all the dark themes, vampires, werewolves and apocalyptic prohecies in the world of darkness, I always found it a more warm and less dystopian setting than the capitalist nightmare Tess has weaved in Karlssson's gambit! :LOL:
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Is because the World of Darkness is naturalised and you can never really get out of it, so everything else seems more dystopian. And yes, for the time being, I've left aside the games with complex mechanics and lots of action and reaction and am relaxing in the world of adult visual novels that I've stumbled upon, looking for something beyond the vanilla content that no longer produces anything for me :whistle::coffee:.
 
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You grow up and search the difference between canon and non canon, it's never possible for any creator to say, there are more than 1 outcomes to their single story in the same timeline without creating controversy among their fans, especially when their is a sequel planned from the same story/universe. Even if Dev hides some details while showing others like jacoyboy said here:

It wouldn't be possible in a clean way, I bet it'll turn messy.

Can you give any examples where writters did this without controversy like in any any other AVN or movie industry?

Btw thanks for being civil and not giving any irrelevant comments like some people do here.
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I didn't explain myself very well... it wouldn't be about hiding anything... okay I think it's easier if I give an example, 'cause I kinda suck at explaining stuff.

So, take a look at what The Unbroken did in regards to The Author... the game starts and as soon as the MC from the Author is brought in, the player gets to choose which LI he'll be appearing with... if you haven't played the Author, it doesn't really matter, but if you did, you can choose your chosen LI... but in the end, the choice doesn't really matter because it's just a cameo of sorts and the choice has no impact on the overall stroy of the game.

The point is, for Unbroken, the "canon" part about the Author is that the MC ended up resolving his issues and ended up with a LI, but the specific LI isn't really all that important.

So you could do something similar for K'sG & a potential sequel, where the sequel starts and you either let the player choose if Kane was dom/sub or good/evil, and even choose who he ended up knocking up at the start of the game, because the only important "canon" or necessary part would just be that Kane & one of the sisters had a child and that whatever will happen at the end of the game happened.

Or the dev could just bursh past the details and simply establish that "the child was born of Kane and the Karlsson girl", for example. You don't really need to get into details whether Kane chose which girl or he was forced into slavery and milked of his sperm or any of that...

Of course, all of that will depend on what the sequel even is about, and what happens in the game... but yeah, that's what I meant, generally speaking.
 
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And yes, for the time being, I've left aside the games with complex mechanics and lots of action and reaction and am relaxing in the world of adult visual novels that I've stumbled upon, looking for something beyond the vanilla content that no longer produces anything for me
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Same for me mostly, as I'm not really playing anything except a couple relaxing survival games and adult VNs/RPGs these days. Except for the "moving away" from vanilla content part, as I was only into femdom since I was 14 or something, so I've never even tried any vanilla porn games! :LOL: I will probably retunr to complex RPGs once Bloodlines 2 comes out, but I'm not exactly holding my breath for it being even half as "good" as the original VtmB. I am actually from Transylvania IRL (as in, I was born in a small town in the Carpathian mountains of Transylvania), and my "Dracula Sense" :devilish: tells me that it's not going to live up to its predecesor... :cry: I hope it proves me wrong in the end.

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Not the only one btw ;)
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Salutations fellow neonate! It seems a whole coterie of us congregated over here... :unsure::LOL:
 
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LAKueiJin said:
I don't take dominant Kane for the "hero of the people" anti-tyranny revolutionary type tbf, so I'm not quite sure what you're on about here. The guillotine also fell down on Louis XVI, not just Marie Antoinette, and so it did on wannabe revolutionary Robespierre a couple years later so, you know, be careful what you ask for! ;) Commies like myself wouldn't mind a secret "good ending" where the k1-3s in the mines all rise up and guillotine the karlsson board decadent bourgeoisie to establish some direct democratic commune of the people, :LOL: but that also includes getting rid of all the male doms, you know?

Also, while Tess has indicated Dark Quean Olivia might end up subservient to Kane in that post that you linked, Kane has already ended up at the feet of his rightful cruel Mistress on... close to half the existent paths, so you're a bit like a guy celebrating his team's goal in a match they lost 5-1 over here... Femdom reigns supreme over the Karlssonverse! :cool:
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Femdom in KG is artificial construct and fanservice, and only the dominant Kane will have the ultimate victory by winning the Gambit. And a pathetic worm KaneSub with a cage on his dick, kissing heels of sadistic women and taking a strapon up his arse will never be the rightful Master of the Empire. It's as obvious as the change of day and night. Besides, Alexander has made it clear that his Empire can only be claimed by a truly strong-willed, intelligent and tough man who will gnaw his way to the top with his teeth, as Alexander himself once did. And losers have no place here.

We can argue about what the canon ending of the game will be, which will be taken as the basis for the next Tess game (yes, we'll be choosing from several final states of the KG world there, but a global canonical version of how Gambit ended should still be there(imo)... but the fact that the only person who can win in Gambit is the one who surpasses Alexander (in strength, brutality, intelligence, dodginess) is not even up for debate. Which means that it will be KaneDom and Olivia (if we want) who will ascend to the throne, eliminating all other contenders.
 
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