VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Huurn]

Tess has long since played it safe, and since white heterosexual men are being tortured and killed in KG, it fits perfectly into the unhealthy agenda that prevails in many spheres, including the gaming industry. As I have written many times, no one gives a shit about men, so Tess, with her femdom/male slavery-oriented game, fits perfectly into this state of affairs. That's why KG will never be attacked by crazy activists/feminists from Collective Shout and others.

And since she decided to tone down the content involving the torture of women (although, to be honest, this game never really had any content where DomKane would torture female slaves on his own, without the participation of other Karlsson sisters) the game is as safe as possible from any activists.

That's why Tess had better be honest with all of us and not play dummy, pretending that the removal of demon content and Juliette's path happened solely because she wanted "to scare away inadequate patrons" who wanted more torture content for women.

And then in the next sentence, claim that she really loved creating these scenes with harsh treatment of women...Yes, yes, of course, she loved it so much that she decided to delete them all to hell...and at the same time make the rest of the Dom route, which she were perfectly happy with before, more soft and vanilla.

Are you seriously bringing culture war bullshit into this? Get over yourself man. This particular porn game is not an attack on your gender and race.

 

[DoverDad]

Are you seriously bringing culture war bullshit into this? Get over yourself man. This particular porn game is not an attack on your gender and race.

If Tess were not a woman, her game would not be on Patron because Karlsson's Gambit would have been baned already

 

[f96zonetrooper]

Tess has long since played it safe, and since white heterosexual men are being tortured and killed in KG, it fits perfectly into the unhealthy agenda that prevails in many spheres, including the gaming industry. As I have written many times, no one gives a shit about men, so Tess, with her femdom/male slavery-oriented game, fits perfectly into this state of affairs. That's why KG will never be attacked by crazy activists/feminists from Collective Shout and others.

And since she decided to tone down the content involving the torture of women (although, to be honest, this game never really had any content where DomKane would torture female slaves on his own, without the participation of other Karlsson sisters) the game is as safe as possible from any activists.

That's why Tess had better be honest with all of us and not play dummy, pretending that the removal of demon content and Juliette's path happened solely because she wanted "to scare away inadequate patrons" who wanted more torture content for women.

And then in the next sentence, claim that she really loved creating these scenes with harsh treatment of women...Yes, yes, of course, she loved it so much that she decided to delete them all to hell...and at the same time make the rest of the Dom route, which she were perfectly happy with before, more soft and vanilla.

Is there a list of to be deleted scenes?

I haven't played it yet but I know from script that the dark Dominique path must have some strong scenes, Dominique whipping Kwame's wife ... and there is also an option to whip Mercy later (which might be payback for what she does to subs.)

I am not into sadism ... so I don't enjoy the scenes where people are tortured just for the fun of some audience ... however it is different if characters "earned" their punishment before by being evil or failing their job or if they agree to it to progress in the hierarchy like Katsumi or just as part of a sexual roleplay.
I wouldn't mind if the game would feature more "spankings" or similar punishment for the female staff if they fail instead of body shocks or licking the ground. They all have very spankable bottoms and spankings can have a more sexual effect than body shocks.

 

[harsha_26]

Hersha, where did Tess say this stuff.. cuz she didn’t on the discord… in fact you’ll still be able to be a part of doing “evil” stuff, just not to the extent of Demon Kane… like your repeating the same rhetoric over and over without any basis of it being substationally supported behind… and we don’t know what kinda of choices to be extent we’ll have… sub and dom… but they will be impactful

I never said evil path is totally smashed, I said kane is soft to become demon. He will never be demon according to Tess New plans. And I'm repeating this over and over again because so many new evil dom players are imagining great evil things for evil kane, which won't happen. Yes, there will be some impact yes, but not in the true capacity. This much Tess confirmed already many times.

 

[harsha_26]

Is there a list of to be deleted scenes?

I haven't played it yet but I know from script that the dark Dominique path must have some strong scenes, Dominique whipping Kwame's wife ... and there is also an option to whip Mercy later (which might be payback for what she does to subs.)

I am not into sadism ... so I don't enjoy the scenes where people are tortured just for the fun of some audience ... however it is different if characters "earned" their punishment before by being evil or failing their job or if they agree to it to progress in the hierarchy like Katsumi or just as part of a sexual roleplay.
I wouldn't mind if the game would feature more "spankings" or similar punishment for the female staff if they fail instead of body shocks or licking the ground. They all have very spankable bottoms and spankings can have a more sexual effect than body shocks.

I like sadistic scenes. But, putting that away, no scenes are deleted. The scene with kwawe's wife or mercy whipping is done on the guidance of Dominique. She is the one who encourages kane to do those scenes, she is the planner, and you are the executor. So, it is nothing but female to female violence but in the indirect form. Most of the scenes will be like this in this game, mostly the indirect approach. Kane won't take his own decisions on punishing women in a hard way. Always some women encourages him, or even if Kane take decision, it will be a woman who punish other women on Kane's orders. This is the way Tess always avoided Patreon and MasterCard's rage. But, as Stan5851 said, she isn't very direct about this truth.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I like sadistic scenes. But, putting that away, no scenes are deleted. The scene with kwawe's wife or mercy whipping is done on the guidance of Dominique. She is the one who encourages kane to do those scenes, she is the planner, and you are the executor. So, it is nothing but female to female violence but in the indirect form. Most of the scenes will be like this in this game, mostly the indirect approach. Kane won't take his own decisions on punishing women in a hard way. Always some women encourages him, or even if Kane take decision, it will be a woman who punish other women on Kane's orders. This is the way Tess always avoided Patreon and MasterCard's rage. But, as Stan5851 said, she isn't very direct about this truth.

If Mf violence is a problem, Tess can move the scenes to the Olivia part and turn them into Ff scenes. From the player's PoV it's not much difference if Kane or Olivia punishes a female. You can even give Olivia a strap-on and she has all the options Kane has.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

I never said evil path is totally smashed, I said kane is soft to become demon. He will never be demon according to Tess New plans. And I'm repeating this over and over again because so many new evil dom players are imagining great evil things for evil kane, which won't happen. Yes, there will be some impact yes, but not in the true capacity. This much Tess confirmed already many times.

So… dom players won’t be able to experience Demon Kane… but they will still be able to experience evil Kane… your just basing this entire thing to what ur subjective likeness is on what actions Kane will be able to preform.. Not all dom players want to go as far as what you want in terms of actions able to be done against some of the characters… like.. evil Kane won’t be soft at all, just not to the extent of what some dom player want in terms of cruelty

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I recently replayed the game from start to end of 8.2 (dom path) and noticed a general basic problem known from photography and graphic design.

The images are in horizontal 16:9 format. Main objects of interests are slender female models on high heels in a ratio of ca 1:3 (= 3:9) (horizontal:vertical) when standing.

If a character is shown in full size (head to heels), more than 80% of the image are not used and have to be filled with other characters and objects. The character model itself appears rather small.

Spoiler: Example : vertical character

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Tess navigates this problem by often dividing the standing characters in 2-3 areas of interest and focussing on one of these areas:
- head and upper body vs lower body with legs and feet
- head vs main body vs legs and feet.

Spoiler: Example : partial view

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Scenes with full bodies are rare and work best if there are many characters in the image.

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Usage of available image space is better for horizontal (lying) characters. The ratio is opposite to the above ca 3:1 (= 15:5) and so covers around half the image. However the number of potential lying scenes is usually limited.

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I personally enjoy images where focus characters are completely shown head to heels the most.
Throughout the game most of the images are either partial view or a zoomed out total view where characters often are actually too small to enjoy them and the (beautiful) location itself was the main theme. The number of nice full body pinup views of characters is limited. I think there should be a balance in numbers between location images, full character images and partial views.

I know from other games that there seems to be an option to have larger vertical images in ren'py, eg 16:18 or 16:27 instead of 16:9 (or maybe just use a standard image size as vertical 9:16) . The game then shows the image scrolling top to bottom or vice versa and afterwards the player can scroll the image as he likes. Such a pinup format would be optimal to show (vertical) focus characters with their special clothing and jewelry in detail.

Is this general problem discussed on discord?

 

[kinkyshin]

I recently replayed the game from start to end of 8.2 (dom path) and noticed a general basic problem known from photography and graphic design.

The images are in horizontal 16:9 format. Main objects of interests are slender female models on high heels in a ratio of ca 1:3 (= 3:9) (horizontal:vertical) when standing.

If a character is shown in full size (head to heels), more than 80% of the image are not used and have to be filled with other characters and objects. The character model itself appears rather small.

Spoiler: Example : vertical character

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Tess navigates this problem by often dividing the standing characters in 2-3 areas of interest and focussing on one of these areas:
- head and upper body vs lower body with legs and feet
- head vs main body vs legs and feet.

Spoiler: Example : partial view

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Scenes with full bodies are rare and work best if there are many characters in the image.

Spoiler: Example : group

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Usage of available image space is better for horizontal (lying) characters. The ratio is opposite to the above ca 3:1 (= 15:5) and so covers around half the image. However the number of potential lying scenes is usually limited.

Spoiler: Example : horizontal character

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I personally enjoy images where focus characters are completely shown head to heels the most.
Throughout the game most of the images are either partial view or a zoomed out total view where characters often are actually too small to enjoy them and the (beautiful) location itself was the main theme. The number of nice full body pinup views of characters is limited. I think there should be a balance in numbers between location images, full character images and partial views.

I know from other games that there seems to be an option to have larger vertical images in ren'py, eg 16:18 or 16:27 instead of 16:9 (or maybe just use a standard image size as vertical 9:16) . The game then shows the image scrolling top to bottom or vice versa and afterwards the player can scroll the image as he likes. Such a pinup format would be optimal to show (vertical) focus characters with their special clothing and jewelry in detail.

Is this general problem discussed on discord?

I didn't read what you wrote but Juliette and Mercy have great bodies.

 

[f96zonetrooper]

...Juliette and Mercy have great bodies.

Agree
Imho most to all of the female characters in KG have great bodies and great outfits ...
In short my post was about the point that those great bodies more often should be appreciated in full size (pinup) images ingame.

 

[Maviarab]

Is this general problem discussed on discord?

No, because no cares and they like it how it is.

should be appreciated in full size (pinup) images ingame.

No, they shouldn't. They were cringe and annoying as a mechanic 10 years ago...

 

[kinkyshin]

Agree
Imho most to all of the female characters in KG have great bodies and great outfits ...
In short my post was about the point that those great bodies more often should be appreciated in full size (pinup) images ingame.

Mostly I agree but I think some of them could have bigger tits. Chanel is the only one with a legendary chest.

Elena has magical titties. I think Tess shrank her tits to fit in a dress but forgot to inflate them back to their proper size lol

Spoiler: season 1 elena tits

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[Stan5851]

Are you seriously bringing culture war bullshit into this? Get over yourself man. This particular porn game is not an attack on your gender and race.

Where in my post did I write that this game is an "attack on my gender and race"? (lol) I am only saying that in our world, in the entertainment film, video, and gaming industries, there have long been double standards regarding men and women, and that what is permissible to do to men is not applicable/unacceptable to women.

It's strange that I have to explain to you basic and obvious things that you should know yourself. This shit has been around for years, we're just used to it, and a humorous explanation boils down to something like this: A man is strong, he can endure anything. But girls who pee rainbows, no way." (lol)

By the way, even Tess wrote about this (in the chat with one of the players — not me). So this is the world we live in.

As for femdom/male slavery, yes, I continue to argue that this theme fits very well into these double standards regarding what is permissible to do to men and women. This does not mean that Tess created the game's plot with this in mind. It's more of a simple observation of the current state of affairs. And that's precisely why the game won't have any problems in this regard.

Even though KG is still directly violating Patreon's TOS (prohibition on displaying non-con content) and could theoretically be banned by them. Of course, when I say non-con, I mean primarily the sub slave route. But since no one gives a shit about men, that's definitely not going to be a problem.

Well, with women...I guess we can all see what happened to the Dom route (it's just that Tess never found the courage to talk about the real reasons for this softening).

 

[Huurn]

Where in my post did I write that this game is an "attack on my gender and race"? (lol) I am only saying that in our world, in the entertainment film, video, and gaming industries, there have long been double standards regarding men and women, and that what is permissible to do to men is not applicable/unacceptable to women.

It's strange that I have to explain to you basic and obvious things that you should know yourself. This shit has been around for years, we're just used to it, and a humorous explanation boils down to something like this: A man is strong, he can endure anything. But girls who pee rainbows, no way." (lol)

By the way, even Tess wrote about this (in the chat with one of the players — not me). So this is the world we live in.

As for femdom/male slavery, yes, I continue to argue that this theme fits very well into these double standards regarding what is permissible to do to men and women. This does not mean that Tess created the game's plot with this in mind. It's more of a simple observation of the current state of affairs. And that's precisely why the game won't have any problems in this regard.

Even though KG is still directly violating Patreon's TOS (prohibition on displaying non-con content) and could theoretically be banned by them. Of course, when I say non-con, I mean primarily the sub slave route. But since no one gives a shit about men, that's definitely not going to be a problem.

Well, with women...I guess we can all see what happened to the Dom route (it's just that Tess never found the courage to talk about the real reasons for this softening).

OK, I'll grant that I might have been a bit quick to dismiss you. This is not to start a whole thing here, just feel the need to answer you since I don't want to come off as just attacking you for no reason. There is a double standard, I agree on that. In my country it's even codified in law, it makes it safer to make a femdom game, than a maledom game, for those who are worried about things like that. It's quite understandable where this double standard comes from, but it should have been handled differently, in my opinion. The reason I was so quick to dismiss you probably comes from you writing "no one gives a shit about men" and "unhealthy agenda". It seems to me you are implying some sort of conspiracy, an "anti-man agenda". If that is not the case, then I misread you. If it is the case, then I maintain that you are on some culture war bullshit. Also, you seem to think that you can read Tess' mind as to what her motivations are for doing what she does, and state your opinions as fact. These are the reasons I concluded you were full of shit, but this is the internet, and it's a porn game forum, so yeah, nothing here is super important. If you want to argue why I'm wrong you may send me a PM. This thread already has way too much back and forth arguing. Also you might want to read up on collective shout, they are only posing as feminists. They are some backwards-ass right-wing cunts.

 

[Topgun1_wrx]

I'm at the stage of picking the MC or Jake for the Dr special treatment for Olivia. Will picking the MC be bad if you don't want the sub route?

 

[f96zonetrooper]

I'm at the stage of picking the MC or Jake for the Dr special treatment for Olivia. Will picking the MC be bad if you don't want the sub route?

AfaIk :
Currently these variables have no real impact on the dom path ...

global doctorkane
global doctorjake

(Note :
After the choice in E5 these 2 variables are no longer independent : one is True, the other is False. When searching the scripts you have to look for both variables.)

It will come up once or twice in discussions and they say they will overthink things or ask Olivia before they do anything.

dr2 "By the way, Mistress [pname3] has requested I do some special training with [pname]. But he's doing well in the program so I'm at a loss."
dr2 "I can't really do my normal training and especially tongue work, but I don't want to disappoint the Warden."
d "I don't think you need to worry about this yet Doctor. [pname]'s not even participating in the show today...so he won't find himself here."
dr2 "You're right, I'm overthinking things."

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It's different on the sub path where Olivia can approve it in E8.1.evilodp :
"(Why not? I think it will make him more useful. I'll approve the Doctor's idea to change [pname]'s tongue.)"
-> $ ktongue = True

 

[AmericanMarxxx666]

Mostly I agree but I think some of them could have bigger tits. Chanel is the only one with a legendary chest.

Elena has magical titties. I think Tess shrank her tits to fit in a dress but forgot to inflate them back to their proper size lol

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I also noticed that they got smaller

 

[harsha_26]

If Mf violence is a problem, Tess can move the scenes to the Olivia part and turn them into Ff scenes. From the player's PoV it's not much difference if Kane or Olivia punishes a female. You can even give Olivia a strap-on and she has all the options Kane has.

She will have all the options she get in demoness path. So, dont worry, atleast you. But, Dont expect me to watch olivia scenes as "not much difference". I'm playing as Kane, and I'm least bothered about Olivia. So, yeah Olivia FF scenes doesn't do anything for my maledom kink.

 

[harsha_26]

So… dom players won’t be able to experience Demon Kane… but they will still be able to experience evil Kane… your just basing this entire thing to what ur subjective likeness is on what actions Kane will be able to preform.. Not all dom players want to go as far as what you want in terms of actions able to be done against some of the characters… like.. evil Kane won’t be soft at all, just not to the extent of what some dom player want in terms of cruelty

That's what I said, he is soft to become demon. But Yes, not too soft. So, yes, you are right, He can still become evil, which he already is in evil dom path. And yeah, Not all Dom players. That's why we have different dom paths. I'm only saying this about demon path fans. If you are not that fan, then my replies are not intended towards you. If you enjoy Kane being evil but not the demon, good for you.

 

[MagicMan753]

Mostly I agree but I think some of them could have bigger tits. Chanel is the only one with a legendary chest.

Elena has magical titties. I think Tess shrank her tits to fit in a dress but forgot to inflate them back to their proper size lol

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Spoiler: season 2 elena tits

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I also noticed that they got smaller

I think its just angles and perspectives, etc. If we go back to like beginning of the game, you can see her size is season 2 size. So if anything I think season 1 last episode would be outlier, but I still think it might be just angles and how close we are zoomed in, etc. So could be a bit overblown.