VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Stan5851]

Now because Im bored, I shall try to guess who MOY is trying to stop from detonating the baby bomb.

Assuming its a member of the board, we can safely eliminated Veronica and Elana/ Olivia right off the bat since Callista revealed herself to them.

They could be excluded even without this argument, simply because Veronica sincerely adores Callista and needs her very much. Liv is excluded by default for obvious reasons, and Elena... she was Callista's friend and would never have done such a thing.

Yvette's probably too busy with the revolution.

She has no motive for doing so. She is clearly a positive character, and she and Callista already met in the park when Kane and V were little, so we can assume that even if they are not friends, they have at least always been on fairly good terms with each other. Besides, Yvette has nothing to share with Callista. None of Yvette's daughters are seeking power over the Corp. Callista cannot threaten V and Astrid's jobs, on the contrary, she will now actively help them save what can still be saved. In addition, it would be rather strange for Tess to make a character who, in her own words, is based on her own mother - a villian.

 

[kinkyshin]

Yvette knows Callista is alive lol.

We've been over this like 10 times.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

They could be excluded even without this argument, simply because Veronica sincerely adores Callista and needs her very much. Liv is excluded by default for obvious reasons, and Elena... she was Callista's friend and would never have done such a thing.

She has no motive for doing so. She is clearly a positive character, and she and Callista already met in the park when Kane and V were little, so we can assume that even if they are not friends, they have at least always been on fairly good terms with each other. Besides, Yvette has nothing to share with Callista. None of Yvette's daughters are seeking power over the Corp. Callista cannot threaten V and Astrid's jobs, on the contrary, she will now actively help them save what can still be saved. In addition, it would be rather strange for Tess to make a character who, in her own words, is based on her own mother - a villian.

I agree with most of this, however, just for conversation sake, until the bridge talk, Elena and Callista were not friends anymore. If anything, Elena would have a motive for going after Callista since as far as Elena was concerned, Callista kidnapped her daughter.
Regardless, there's enough proof it wasn't her.

 

[Hazardgaming]

Couldn’t it be the AI Anne that is capable of ending Kane’s life? Back when Callista made her escape attempt and was captured, it’s possible that the unborn Kane and possibly even Callista were implanted with some chip capable of ending their lives.

Veronica was unable to get past two locks for whatever it was that Alexander had hidden away. I assume that one of those locks is opened by Kane’s blood and another “key” might be held by something that only Callista knows.

Alexander would seemingly rather see his empire fall into ruin if the gambit failed. And I don’t see why anyone other than a program would be willing to carry out something like that.. especially not if they stand to lose something by doing as Alexander has instructed.

It would be rather illogical if Alexander assumed that Veronica would let his empire crumble in the event that the gambit fails.

Granted, it could just be someone (group of people?) who’s super loyal to a dead man. But wouldn’t it make more sense if there’s an AI that’s always listening in on Kane through some implanted chip?

I don’t know if that would be too uninteresting in terms of plot development.

 

[harsha_26]

They could be excluded even without this argument, simply because Veronica sincerely adores Callista and needs her very much. Liv is excluded by default for obvious reasons, and Elena... she was Callista's friend and would never have done such a thing.

She has no motive for doing so. She is clearly a positive character, and she and Callista already met in the park when Kane and V were little, so we can assume that even if they are not friends, they have at least always been on fairly good terms with each other. Besides, Yvette has nothing to share with Callista. None of Yvette's daughters are seeking power over the Corp. Callista cannot threaten V and Astrid's jobs, on the contrary, she will now actively help them save what can still be saved. In addition, it would be rather strange for Tess to make a character who, in her own words, is based on her own mother - a villian.

Yes, Veronica don't want to head the corp because all her aim is to build the island4, but why she is all playing "femdom" like all the rest of sisters? She want to build same system as karlsson's company in island4 as well?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Yes, Veronica don't want to head the corp because all her aim is to build the island4, but why she is all playing "femdom" like all the rest of sisters? She want to build same system as karlsson's company in island4 as well?

If I understand veronica well enough. She takes part in the femdom because it allows her to perform experiments unhinderered. She could probably live without them but as they say... when in rome

 

[kinkyshin]

Yes, Veronica don't want to head the corp because all her aim is to build the island4

Veronica doesn't want to lead regardless if it's Island 4 or the Karlsson Group. She's been proactively searching for a possible leader for Island 4 with Kane and Olivia as possible candidates. Seems that she will only be the leader of Island 4 if she can't trust anyone else to do so. (Saying that though, according to the faction sheet, it seems implied that Island 4 has some sort of voting system for who the leader will be)

Personally, I think Tess changed her mind on what Veronica was supposed to be. In one of the first scenes, Alexander's lawyer speculates that Alexander likely didn't want Veronica as a leader due to her personality, which implies that she wouldn't make a good leader. From what we've seen though, she seems very capable as a leader at literally everything. With that in mind, she has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to talent. She is a capable leader, but there are others (Olivia, Kane, Cole) that can lead. No one can match her when it comes to scientific ingenuity though, so it makes sense for her to focus on the latter and have someone else be the leader.

but why she is all playing "femdom" like all the rest of sisters?

We don't know how much she plays 'femdom'. When Kane is on the sub route, she orders him to kiss her heel. But she says it's not really something she cares for but rather she muses it's probably important for his training. Also, Tess has said that Veronica won't really do a dom/sub romance with Kane. If she romances him on the sub route, she will see him as a man, not as a sub. Kind of implies she's not really super into it.

She want to build same system as karlsson's company in island4 as well?

The people on Island 4 are obviously treated much better than they are at the Joy Facility.

Also, they've already been vetted out.

 

[harsha_26]

Veronica doesn't want to lead regardless if it's Island 4 or the Karlsson Group. She's been proactively searching for a possible leader for Island 4 with Kane and Olivia as possible candidates. Seems that she will only be the leader of Island 4 if she can't trust anyone else to do so. (Saying that though, according to the faction sheet, it seems implied that Island 4 has some sort of voting system for who the leader will be)

Personally, I think Tess changed her mind on what Veronica was supposed to be. In one of the first scenes, Alexander's lawyer speculates that Alexander likely didn't want Veronica as a leader due to her personality, which implies that she wouldn't make a good leader. From what we've seen though, she seems very capable as a leader at literally everything. With that in mind, she has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to talent. She is a capable leader, but there are others (Olivia, Kane, Cole) that can lead. No one can match her when it comes to scientific ingenuity though, so it makes sense for her to focus on the latter and have someone else be the leader.



We don't know how much she plays 'femdom'. When Kane is on the sub route, she orders him to kiss her heel. But she says it's not really something she cares for but rather she muses it's probably important for his training. Also, Tess has said that Veronica won't really do a dom/sub romance with Kane. If she romances him on the sub route, she will see him as a man, not as a sub. Kind of implies she's not really super into it.


The people on Island 4 are obviously treated much better than they are at the Joy Facility.

Also, they've already been vetted out.

Bull shit, i played both sub and dom paths, she behaves like a true femdom like any other sister. Even with Dom Kane, her conversation is very authoritative when compared her conversation with other equal females. Her sex scene with Dom Kane also felt like gentle femdom with romance mixed, clearly Kane is not the lead in her sex scene compare to DomKane's sex scenes with Dominique. And also, she thinks of kane as a expendable in conversation with Yvette and Elena unless he wins the program. And why she wants kane to win gambit when she is preparing Olivia or Kane to be leaders of island4 anyway?

Women like Calista and Veronica I have always problem with to understand and get convinced unlike other characters. So many characters in this game are either bend to good or evil, But these two women are different. Better to go with Domi+Juli harem, it is very clear linear path to understand.

 

[kinkyshin]

Bull shit, i played both sub and dom paths, she behaves like a true femdom like any other sister.

Well, she definitely behaves differently than her sisters.

I agree that her sisters are 'playing femdom' like you say. Dominique, Juliette, and Alessandra are all a bunch of wannabe dommes abusing their power over the less fortunate. They're all eager to sink into a submissive role when actually challenged by dom Kane and if they lost their privileged status they'd be so fucked.

Veronica is just plain strong.

Even with Dom Kane, her conversation is very authoritative when compared her conversation with other equal females.

She's like that with everyone. Even Elena backs down immediately at the slightest warning from Veronica.

Her sex scene with Dom Kane also felt like gentle femdom with romance mixed, clearly Kane is not the lead in her sex scene compare to DomKane's sex scenes with Dominique.

She takes the lead initially but hopes Kane will turn the tables, which he does. She's a strong woman that clearly wants a relationship on equal grounds.

And also, she thinks of kane as a expendable in conversation with Yvette and Elena unless he wins the program. And why she wants kane to win gambit when she is preparing Olivia or Kane to be leaders of island4 anyway?

Does she want Kane to win the gambit? This is Callista's wish. Veronica hasn't made any comment on it.

Women like Calista and Veronica I have always problem with to understand and get convinced unlike other characters. So many characters in this game are either bend to good or evil, But these two women are different. Better to go with Domi+Juli harem, it is very clear linear path to understand.

Well, it seems to me like you've already made up your mind.

Personally, I think Kane helping save humanity and then taking off into space with Veronica and Olivia as his lovers is pretty appealing.

 

[harsha_26]

She takes the lead initially but hopes Kane will turn the tables, which he does. She's a strong woman that clearly wants a relationship on equal grounds.

Never. In my scene as far I remember, she lead him all the way. Yes she says that she hopes he can turn the tables, but not in that particular scene, may be in future. So, You are mistaken it seems or your standards of dom sex are very vanilla. It never felt like sex with Dominique or Juli.

 

[Stan5851]

Never. In my scene as far I remember, she lead him all the way. Yes she says that she hopes he can turn the tables, but not in that particular scene, may be in future. So, You are mistaken it seems or your standards of dom sex are very vanilla. It never felt like sex with Dominique or Juli.

I don’t think kinkyshin wrong. Veronica really wants an equal relationship. Yes, like many "pure Dom" players, I also didn’t like sex scene with Veronica, because she really looked as you describe it, when V led Kane almost until the very end of the scene. And it looked especially unsuccessful against the backdrop of an earlier, very beautiful and romantic scene in which Kane and Veronica, naked, float in her anti-gravity chamber. Therefore, such a transition from frankness and requests to trust her to her previous cold detachment was not very successful.

It is clear that Veronica is a tough nut to crack and that cracking her shell will be a certain challenge for the player, but I still believe (and Tess hinted at this) that with proper persistence, Kane will be able to achieve what he wants and get a truly deep relationship with V (on equal terms).

So, I’m ready to work hard for the secret "harem" ending with Liv + V. It looks quite attractive to me. Although, of course, from the POV of maledom, the "harem" of Jules + Dominique will most likely give Kane much more of what we (Doms) hope to get from such relationships. Therefore, I do not intend to abandon either one "harem" (as Tess calls it) or the other.

 

[Dim the Wit]

It partly is good that the game takes this long to update. Gives dev lots of time to figure out and do things right and replaying it entirely won't be boring. Excited to see what we get!!

 

[kinkyshin]

I don’t think kinkyshin wrong. Veronica really wants an equal relationship. Yes, like many "pure Dom" players, I also didn’t like sex scene with Veronica, because she really looked as you describe it, when V led Kane almost until the very end of the scene. And it looked especially unsuccessful against the backdrop of an earlier, very beautiful and romantic scene in which Kane and Veronica, naked, float in her anti-gravity chamber. Therefore, such a transition from frankness and requests to trust her to her previous cold detachment was not very successful.

100%
Kane and Veronica's first time together was so underwhelming. I wish that scene didn't happen lol

It partly is good that the game takes this long to update.

 

[Don Sucio]

Sweet baby Jesus...it just dawned on me that I've been playing this for over 2 years and I still haven't made it to the end of chapter 6...

Take your sweet time, dev. No rush.

WTF...Nasc is here?????

I must have had a brain snap...I'm lying in my bed...blood coming from my nose...wondering wtf just happened....

Tessverse and Oceanverse is confirmed. Their games are connected now

 

[Haga Metagari]

Why if i download this game is always error, i love to play this game

 

[harsha_26]

I don’t think kinkyshin wrong. Veronica really wants an equal relationship. Yes, like many "pure Dom" players, I also didn’t like sex scene with Veronica, because she really looked as you describe it, when V led Kane almost until the very end of the scene. And it looked especially unsuccessful against the backdrop of an earlier, very beautiful and romantic scene in which Kane and Veronica, naked, float in her anti-gravity chamber. Therefore, such a transition from frankness and requests to trust her to her previous cold detachment was not very successful.

It is clear that Veronica is a tough nut to crack and that cracking her shell will be a certain challenge for the player, but I still believe (and Tess hinted at this) that with proper persistence, Kane will be able to achieve what he wants and get a truly deep relationship with V (on equal terms).

So, I’m ready to work hard for the secret "harem" ending with Liv + V. It looks quite attractive to me. Although, of course, from the POV of maledom, the "harem" of Jules + Dominique will most likely give Kane much more of what we (Doms) hope to get from such relationships. Therefore, I do not intend to abandon either one "harem" (as Tess calls it) or the other.

Well, it seems like if I want some maledom sex, then I can do with Dominique, Juli, Olivia Sub and even alesandra I think because her sex in netori scenes felt like she won't hesitate to see a man lead in sex scene although she is not interested in romance with Pure Dom.

So, all in all, If I want maledom sex, unlike it is not possible with Veronica. Veronica is only for vanilla gang and also, the expectations she have on Kane to "lead" are very softy equal leading actions I think. So, it's better I don't think of her as canon with Kane (although she is canon to survive anyway).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

It partly is good that the game takes this long to update. Gives dev lots of time to figure out and do things right and replaying it entirely won't be boring. Excited to see what we get!!

Perhaps if we'd actually get full updates, but unforch, we're not even getting that

 

[Meiri]

Why if i download this game is always error, i love to play this game

You may want to give more information about the error you are getting and what you were doing. Does this happen when extracting the files or when starting the game?

 

[Stan5851]

100%
Kane and Veronica's first time together was so underwhelming. I wish that scene didn't happen lol

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[harsha_26]

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Yeah, I want to hope and be optimistic if it's another dev, But it is Tess we are talking out. That woman turns the game however she want according to her mood swings, particularly for dom path.