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So does that mean Male mc cannot end up with more than one karlson sisters?or are we getting the super plot twist that all sisters are not related at all
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Even if they werent sisters, they dont even like each other, why would they agree to be in a harem?
Only harem that even appears a possibility is alessandra and celeste
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Maybe in the future when Kane position be important the sisters try to fuck Kane for their own good.
Note: Check out the last theory at the end.
Finally completed my playthru. Literally driving into the sunset. A classic.
Ended up with sidom 8, sissub 7, sisgood 8, sisevil 9, good 14, evil 15.
No sis variables in chapter 7 either.
Thankfully:
y "Katsumi has been the lead on this, but we're going to let you direct a lot of the ultimate action...and hardships the contestants may face."
More olivia decisions finally. My Olivia vars have been stagnant since fuckseth choice.
Also Olivia & mc interactions hopefully.
Love the lack of cunnilingus on the Dom route, given how it is used in the game as a domination tool.
There were only a few instances with MC:
The pussy tasting for kpass. But bet the sub route had to lick it, while the dom route was only finger tasting.
Also, the Claudia scene. But there, the MC licking is k6 showing powerlessness. Tho I hoped we could avoid it, it kinda works in the story.
Olivia only licks briefly, & the shot is shown from above, never the actual act. She soon moves on to using fingers, which is shown in detail. So kinda ignorable.
Happy dev is maintaining the Dom/sub implications of oral sex in the game's world setting.
Some random thoughts throughout the play-through:
Some theories.
(Check out the last one)
This started as a wild theory, but it makes sense after thinking about it, about the progression of the flashbacks/info reveals.
Olivia was the daughter present during Alexander Karlsson's last moments at the beginning of the game & this is the hill I'm gonna die on. (for now)
Anyway too much thinking (especially after the olivia idea came, I got excited & just looked over a lot of scenes in the script ). Gotta delete & forget about KG for now. Wonder when s2 will drop, 6 months or a year...
btw, interior designer tess gonna make a cameo soon probably
Have a great day everyone reading up to here.
{Everything is speculation, let's look forward to ch8 for answers}
Finally completed my playthru. Literally driving into the sunset. A classic.
Ended up with sidom 8, sissub 7, sisgood 8, sisevil 9, good 14, evil 15.
No sis variables in chapter 7 either.
Thankfully:
y "Katsumi has been the lead on this, but we're going to let you direct a lot of the ultimate action...and hardships the contestants may face."
More olivia decisions finally. My Olivia vars have been stagnant since fuckseth choice.
Also Olivia & mc interactions hopefully.
Love the lack of cunnilingus on the Dom route, given how it is used in the game as a domination tool.
There were only a few instances with MC:
The pussy tasting for kpass. But bet the sub route had to lick it, while the dom route was only finger tasting.
Also, the Claudia scene. But there, the MC licking is k6 showing powerlessness. Tho I hoped we could avoid it, it kinda works in the story.
Olivia only licks briefly, & the shot is shown from above, never the actual act. She soon moves on to using fingers, which is shown in detail. So kinda ignorable.
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Olivia was the daughter present during Alexander Karlsson's last moments at the beginning of the game & this is the hill I'm gonna die on. (for now)
Anyway too much thinking (especially after the olivia idea came, I got excited & just looked over a lot of scenes in the script
). Gotta delete & forget about KG for now. Wonder when s2 will drop, 6 months or a year...btw, interior designer tess gonna make a cameo soon probably
Have a great day everyone reading up to here.
{Everything is speculation, let's look forward to ch8 for answers}
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If you are thinking about patreon standards, there's already cousin incest (relation may or may not be confirmed, given how this game reveals information).
So 3some+ with sisters shouldn't be a issue incest-wise atleast.
If this turns out to be true I'm going to be (slightly) pissed depending on how the dom/sub sis stats come into play.
I've been waiting for them to matter since the first few episodes and I've been mentally renaming them to more align with "empathy" since they just don't do what they're called; kind of a rugpull if you ask me. But to be fair, this could also be an unfair expectation given we've looked into the code and know the internal variable names .
Anyhow, it was nice reading your speculations.
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I don't think sisters sharing the same guy(s), or brothers sharing the same girl(s), is incest.
Yeah sadly iirc Patreon thinks it. Can be that there maybe whas a think over but I know for sure that Oyakodon is still considered incest.
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The shown amount is zero, so a few intermittent years wouldn't be that much of a growth curve. Remember Callista timed these things perfectly from what the MC said.
By the same vein, wouldn't the 3 siblings know about Veronica/Alessandra spending time with Callista consistently enough to get attached? Especially since they were a much smaller & close-knit family compared to the karlssons.
I think we can put this on Alexander & Callista's abilities to keep secrets (Even we are being tormented by them secrets rn
)also:
v "I have no doubt he would have discovered you all...if he really pushed for it. But...if anything, I suspect he was helping hide all of you all along..."
v "I still did find you eventually, but he insisted we not intervene. But you were watched for a while..."
sis "When did you discover us?"
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v "I...it doesn't matter right now.
How much Veronica knows, her role & motivations in the gambit, is another interesting line of thought I haven't given much thought on, since the Olivia one tired me out. The points are Kiyomi's presence during the lake meeting, & various dialogues from her that take a different shade after the grymgudinnalives reveal. But it's too open still I think, so won't bother with it rn. But that's a interesting point about who might know what... Thanks
Well, this did start out as a wild theory. But looking at how ch6+7 have 2 Olivia flashbacks each, consistently delivering information inconsistent with our prior perception of her. I atleast think this fits better than "forgot her brothers pregnancy due to shock" given how old & mature(relatively) she apears in the flashback of MC's birth.
This also depends a lot on the meta analysis of the reveal setups & their positioning/timeline.
The main points are the game's portrayal of Olivia pre-ch6 is becoming more inconsistent with the flashbacks from ch6 & ch7.
The deathbed theory is a pretty big leap, but agent Olivia is all but confirmed. Only question is: to what extent?
Man, can't wait for ch8
But yeah, this is just speculation. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
It's good to maintain a healthy level of scepticism to any theory.
I learned this the hard way from the grymgudinnalives reveal (added a thought process summary to my post) & now I'm even cautious about Callista being the gambit queen (probably, but not gonna take it for granted)
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Is the Dev Totally against also Trans ? I have seen lots of kink, Extreme Bdsm, Strapon Pegging, Chastity an many more , so why there is no Trans continent ? sorry for poor English, just a question
Why is she in short a future Board Member? Official they knew her a few days(others then beeing watched) and she is worthy only she is another Daughter?
About sub/dom/evil Points maybe she can fail during future Episode? Hope so, the points mean only in sub MC she can help him when not evil.
can´t wait for the next piece of Puzzle. in only a few years we knew the answers
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The biggest problem with olivia having prior knowledge of her alexander connection and meeting him is who is sneaking her on and off the island for these meetings and if he wanted Olivia so badly, why would he allow her to stay with Callista? Somebody on the board would have had to be aware of Olivia, yet not one person appears to know anything.The shown amount is zero, so a few intermittent years wouldn't be that much of a growth curve. Remember Callista timed these things perfectly from what the MC said.
By the same vein, wouldn't the 3 siblings know about Veronica/Alessandra spending time with Callista consistently enough to get attached? Especially since they were a much smaller & close-knit family compared to the karlssons.
I think we can put this on Alexander & Callista's abilities to keep secrets (Even we are being tormented by them secrets rn
also:
v "I have no doubt he would have discovered you all...if he really pushed for it. But...if anything, I suspect he was helping hide all of you all along..."
v "I still did find you eventually, but he insisted we not intervene. But you were watched for a while..."
sis "When did you discover us?"
scene e7opod17 with mediumdissolve
v "I...it doesn't matter right now.
How much Veronica knows, her role & motivations in the gambit, is another interesting line of thought I haven't given much thought on, since the Olivia one tired me out. The points are Kiyomi's presence during the lake meeting, & various dialogues from her that take a different shade after the grymgudinnalives reveal. But it's too open still I think, so won't bother with it rn. But that's a interesting point about who might know what... Thanks
Well this did start out as a wild theory. But looking at how ch6+7 have 2 Olivia flashbacks each, consistently delivering information inconsistent with our prior perception of her. I atleast think this fits better than "forgot her brothers pregnancy due to shock" given how old & mature(relatively) she apears in the flashback of MC's birth.
This also depends a lot on the meta analysis of the reveal setups & their positioning/timeline.
The main points are the game's portrayal of Olivia pre-ch6 is becoming more inconsistent with the flashbacks from ch6 & ch7.
The deathbed theory is a pretty big leap, but agent Olivia is all but confirmed. Only question is: to what extent?
Man, can't wait for ch8
But yeah, this is just speculation. ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
It's good to maintain a healthy level of scepticism to any theory.
I learned this the hard way from the grymgudinnalives reveal (added a thought process summary to my post) & now I'm even cautious about Callista being the gambit queen (probably, but not gonna take it for granted)
Theres also the issue of his being shocked by the brilliance of the kid in question. Why would he be shocked by someone raised by Callista?
As for veronica, we can assume that veronica and probably yvette knew of Callista and Kane since he was the kid from the earlier chapter when they first met.
Because she's marketing towards a straight audience. Lgbtq content probs wouldnt go over well with her current audience ( maybe some lesbianism, but that's it).
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Sure only because she was raised by Callista and is Daugther of Alexander ?
Elena must have a lot of Faith in her such small time
Ok It is only a game not a real Life, can not think of such in real
Raised by Callista doesn't mean anything if you see the kid not meeting your expectations.
If you enroll your kid in the best school but see him getting D-, would you think he's a brilliant child? Would you not be surprised by your D- kid scoring a scholarship, no matter where he went to school or what tutors he had? Especially if you had evaluated him as D- yourself & had great confidence in your judgement in that aspect??
He is shocked that he couldn't see that briliance before, that someone was able to fool him & hide their true self from him. This has nothing to do with Callista. Olivia's acting talent should have helped with this, fooling the great Alexander Karlsson
Only Olivia <3<3
As for secrets, the whole game thrives on secrets. Alexander had loyal servants/allies. So did Callista.
He had the power to arrange the whole Gambit in secret. Even after he's dead, he's still keeping his secrets. I don't doubt his ability at keeping things secret...
Also, what island? The game so far takes place on one island, but the whole Karlsson territory was his playground. They could meet at any place, multiple facilities, instead of smuggling Olivia into an area with heavy board presence. Like the temple in the flashback, it had Alexander's building but was open to MC, hence not on the "island".
Working theory would be he wanted her trained & raised by Callista as well as himself. After all, we still don't have much info on the gambit or on Alexander's motivations/intentions. Or Callista's for that matter.
Olivia also seemed to not know anything, but the 4 flashbacks from ch6+7 say differently, with each chapter showing she knew more than we previously thought.
The Alexander connection is a guess, sure. But Olivia knowing more than previously thought is pretty much confirmed, either about the Karlssons coming, from the chopper flashbacks; or in more detail about Alexander's mindset & their family blood relations secrets, from the hiking flashbacks. Question is how far does that go & how much she knows...
I meant about the whole Olivia situation. That connection was already revealed pretty early, (that they had contact & communication with Callista, & Stacy even thought MC was lucky for having her as mom when she identified Callista's fav quote), then used to obsfucate the grymgudinna identity.
But yeah, the current working relationship between Veronica & Callista would be interesting to think about, given grymgudinnalives establishing a similar relationship between Alessandra & Callista - a relationship we previously thought was between Veronica & Callista
But yeah, the Alexander connection is based more on possibilities & following the trend.
It's more prediction than anything.
Olivia knowing however, either about seth or herself or about the gambit, etc., is pretty much confirmed from the flashbacks tho.
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You know guys, if in the end it turns out that the one who is presented as xx in the scripts turns out to be Olivia, I'm going to end up being very pissed off and I'm going to do everything possible to screw up her life. Because that means that she has lied to us all our lives (kane) has been playing with us and I feel sorry for her but I forgive but I don't forget. I think that each episode that passes gives me more reasons to hate her if she ends up being XX.
but I don't think it turns out to be her It is clear that with everything we know, the xx of the intro could clearly be Olivia due to the theme of the music and such.
but in the one in chapter 3 the meeting between xx and queen gives me more a feeling that it is alexandra or even veronica but I seriously believe that it is alexandra in this case. So it is possible that Tess uses the xx to prevent the player from knowing all the game pieces and representing multiple people
but I don't think it turns out to be her It is clear that with everything we know, the xx of the intro could clearly be Olivia due to the theme of the music and such.
but in the one in chapter 3 the meeting between xx and queen gives me more a feeling that it is alexandra or even veronica but I seriously believe that it is alexandra in this case. So it is possible that Tess uses the xx to prevent the player from knowing all the game pieces and representing multiple people
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Alessandra knows more.
V said to Yvette and Elena no one of the Daughters can shown the Information of the Hookup with the MC (Grandson).
On the Meeting Scene Olivia as Warden with MC and Alessandra on the Roof
She says his Future is only Fingertips away? Maybe i forget things, it cannot be reveald to her at that time?
What means the laughter on the Deathbed? the tyrant is dead/ better future/ finally i have you killed/ Callista revenge?
Why only Olivia train? does calilsta not know the importance of the MC? Impossible
Or we do not know if he was trained?
And when all three Children she raised failed, become evil/sub possibly get killed or killed each other she stand by and does nothing?
The writing is brilliant and all Clues can be true or the developer is an genius in letting us all in the dark thru the end
Wait and see in future EP
V said to Yvette and Elena no one of the Daughters can shown the Information of the Hookup with the MC (Grandson).
On the Meeting Scene Olivia as Warden with MC and Alessandra on the Roof
She says his Future is only Fingertips away? Maybe i forget things, it cannot be reveald to her at that time?
What means the laughter on the Deathbed? the tyrant is dead/ better future/ finally i have you killed/ Callista revenge?
Why only Olivia train? does calilsta not know the importance of the MC? Impossible
Or we do not know if he was trained?
And when all three Children she raised failed, become evil/sub possibly get killed or killed each other she stand by and does nothing?
The writing is brilliant and all Clues can be true or the developer is an genius in letting us all in the dark thru the end
Wait and see in future EP
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xx is defined as ???????
So any character we don't know is represented by that.
iirc, in the flashback of Callista planning to escape, Cole is represented by xx(??????).
So xx can be used as long as the identity is unknown, & doesn't connect the characters in anyway.
The whole crutch of my theory was that they could be 2 ppl. (grymgudinna & deathbed daughter)
Using xx for both means both are unknown. We unconsciously treat them as the same person, but that's not necessarily true. (Dev would be smart to take advantage of the fact tho. I hope this was intentional, representing grymgudinna using the same character in chapter 1 while we were still wondering about the xx in the start screen, creating an unconscious bias to treat them as the same person)
The person who talks to the queen is grymgudinna, the person giving orders to Pat in ch1. This is more or less confirmed to be Alessandra in the label grymgudinnalives in chapter 7: Pat meets Alessandra & it contains some dialogue that confirms she followed her orders in the jail.
Now, they can very well be the same person, or grymgudinna can be different from the person present at the deathbed.
Both possibilities exist rn, so cannot be sure.
And I wouldn't hate Olivia. Rather she had to take on a bigger responsibility while MC was blissfully unaware.
You can see this in the hiking flashback, MC is definitely more carefree while Olivia seemed to have stuff weighing her down mentally.
Imagine she had to know the hypothetical question was a real possibility down the road & still make a choice? Much harder than a "fun hypothetical choice with your sister with no consequences" the MC got.
And she still chose the MC.
Alexander is never gonna get a Father of the year trophy. I'm sure those were not exactly pleasant times for her. But she did it for MC's sake (atleast will be my Olivia's motivation if I can choose).
The gambit was gonna happen anyway, defying the timeline would only harm MC presumably.
I don't think we should blame Olivia for having to lie to the person she cares the most in the world (see her answer to the question in hiking flashback). If her personality changes, that's fine. She can be her own person. But I'm gonna try to keep the prince & princess for each other, & even if there are some things she couldn't reveal to her blissfully ignorant fake brother for his sake, it'd never shake the bond between them. The escape rocket will have them as they will choose one another<3<3
In short, while I understand the sentiment, it'd just make Olivia badass for me, fooling even Alexander Karlsson, & not mind the lies. Even his mother, & everyone else, lied & he's been better off without that weight on his shoulders so far imo.
Ofc as long as there is a choice to choose MC over the world as Olivia.
Soft coded blocks like if sis_team: or if princesseyes: is fine, but there should be someway to influence that. "Olivia does everything for MC's sake & should not be blamed" is the narrative I'm trying to go for.
But some might enjoy evil olivia variations too I guess
Anyway, it's just a speculative theory & very barebones too.
If it does happen, I'm sure there will be complicated reasons for the choices, that don't paint Olivia in a bad light
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