Jake, and you're even required not only to point out that Zach is failing but you're also required to scare the shit out of the other two by faking pain from pats love tap.
Even if you did promise her to bring others down as part of the deal, you don't have to do it. You gaining an advantage doesn't nessesarily mean that the others are doomed to fail, they have a chance to do well too.
This. Benefiting yourself is not screwing over Zach. And you specifically mentioned Zach. As did I. Remember who you're discussing this with
Giving the food away helps literally no one except Jake (if take Jakes option). Even a concious good guy Kane would not intentionally fuck himself over. Sorry, but that is definitely not protrayed in his character ever, anywhere...except towards his friends.
So sorry Miles, you're wrong on this one. You're intentionally making stupid choices to try and a prove a point I already proved does not exist. Remember, it was you who stated, you have to screw Zach over to not hit K4. This is plain wrong. As SS also stated above, you can take Pat's deal (because in all that is holy in God's name, why would anyone NOT do that in that situation, even if you're a straight up AAA guy...), and still then not do what she wants. As I explicitly stated, you can take the second option for 1 slave point instead of the top choice in the ball test and you can fail to signal Pat about Zach 'breaking' for no cost to yourself and at no cost to Zach either. In that scene, you cannot help Zach...at all...only not fuck him over (which is why doing so gives evil points).
I'll say it again, there is only one choice where you actually, specifically...'help' him...and it gives +1 slave point. Helping yourself at times is not hindering anyone else. You seem to believe it is when the VN does not purport that view. One could argue....the only 'logical' choice for a good guy Kane is giving Jake the food, especially if it's your first time through the game. Even doing this will not put you on the sub path.
So, iirc, you can help him, give jake the food and then take the second choice in the ball test...and
still not hit K4 and be a good conscionable guy in the process, as (I agree) is Kane's general nature however, I think again, you're leaning into something that does not exist to try and prove your point. Many of my friends/people who have met me would consiuder me a 'good guy' who helps people out (especially my damn neighbours). Complete strangers? Sorry, but like I would guesstimate at over 90% of the population, why should I give a crap about them, people I don't know, won't meet and in a prison siutation, becomes a
them or me situation?
You don't owe them anything and prison? One of the first rules, keep your head down, don't get involved...called self-preservation. You're giving Kane far too much creedance and credit there I'm afraid. Liken it to politics Miles, I don't give a fuck about the rest of the country when I vote, only what will benefit me and those close to me.
Cold and black hearted maybe? Well I am the Dark Lord of the Schwartz....I really don't see (personally) even a good guy Kane being much different to be honest,
especially given the context of the world he has grown up in. Sure, help those less fortunate, sure feel bad for them, but (and we're in prison remember...screwed over ourselves)....
When push comes to shove...even a good guy will not intentionally throw themselves under the bus. So again, to sum up, yes, you can be nice to Zach, help him, not screw him over and still look out for yourself and not hit the sub path.
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