VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[DoverDad]

Here's what I found on this request.

A video game which touts itself as an "incest and non-consensual sex" simulator has been banned in the UK following an LBC investigation. (about "No Mercy")

I honestly don't see what the connection here is to Karlsson's Gambit, where there is no incest or rape. Yes, sure, the sub route is effectively the way of the slave, but knowing how fashionable it's been in recent years to oppress cisgender heterosexual men, I somehow highly doubt that the Steam mods would be against dominant sadistic bitches and the sub boy Kane being abused by all those bitches. I bet the game will be skipped without question...

But in general, of course, a more duplicitous company than Steam has yet to be found. The platform that freely distributes hundreds of 2DjRPG porn games, where the female protagonist is subjected to endless rape and humiliation(non-con) trying to play morality , banning 3D AVN “No Mercy”.

Yes, yes, someone will say that 2D is neither 3D and doesn't count...But I don't think so...both 2D and 3D are fictional game universes and characters and if you have the same rules for 2D, then the same should apply for 3D AVN games. (imo)

I was thinking more of the evil dom route. I know it has been axed, but how will Tess handle that with the Steam version, because if you get Juliet sponsor, you have to kill Jumbo, would that still be in the game or be removed

 

[kinkyshin]

I imagine she would be a bit concerned about what happened because this sort of backlash could lead to Valve revising some of their policy when it comes to adult content, but beyond that I really don't think Karlsson's Gambit will be affected. There is definitely a double standard...

Men abusing women in fiction = Very, very bad. Leads to real domestic violence. Unless of course, it's written by a woman and appeals to their fantasies (Fifty Shades of Grey) in which case it's perfectly acceptable.

Women abusing women/men in fiction = ... absolutely no one cares.

Somehow that VN just happened to get mainstream attention and women hear about it and just assume that everyone that played it is going to start idolizing Andrew Tate and raping women.

I was thinking more of the evil dom route. I know it has been axed, but how will Tess handle that with the Steam version, because if you get Juliet sponsor, you have to kill Jumbo, would that still be in the game or be removed

Well honestly if they had a problem with that they would have to remove 99% of games on Steam, including their own games lol.

 

[Stan5851]

KG currently breaks Patreon's ToS on non-con content...

Yes, that's true. But the question is whether the Steam mods (the patreon mods have made their choice to ignore it.) will pay attention or just turn a blind eye, because we're talking about "disgusting cisgender men", not the "heavenly and pure flowers" called women.

Because if the steam mods pay attention, Tess will have to rewrite and redo a huge pile of sub scenes and/or add tons of fake dialog options that will allow sub Kane to opt out of non-con stuff and thus respect the formality of player freedom of choice.

 

[hitman2511]

She could make Karlsson's Gambit [Dom Edition] and remove the sub stuff.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

She could make Karlsson's Gambit [Dom Edition] and remove the sub stuff.

Yeah… No

 

[Stan5851]

Yeah… No

Well we can't let the game violate Steam and Patreon's TOS, right? We have gender equality, don't we? What about the freedom of choice that you deny to a player who starts playing the sub route? Why doesn't sub Kane have a choice, but Dom Kane does? We can't infringe on the rights of sub players, right? See how many questions there are that no one wants to answer.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Well we can't let the game violate Steam and Patreon's TOS, right? We have gender equality, don't we? What about the freedom of choice that you deny to a player who starts playing the sub route? Why doesn't sub Kane have a choice, but Dom Kane does? We can't infringe on the rights of sub players, right? See how many questions there are that no one wants to answer.

Idk Willis, I’ve seen some steam game that are… extreme… seems like steam is just subjective in a sense for certain projects.. and with Knowing how proactive Miss Tess is with (communicating with representatives, etc.) we Gucci but hey… who knows.. it’s a situation for the future not really the present !

 

[PickerLewd]

I wonder if Tess is rethinking porting her game to Steam with what happened to No Mercy, with this being 1000 times worse than that game

I saw the game on Steam a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't have time to read the synopsis, I just saw the blonde on the cover and the title and put it on Follow.
Then everything blew up, I remembered the cover of the game but Steam doesn't sell it anymore , so I don't know what caused the mess, just that my account is one of the "perverse" ones that had it on save.
Well, I guess it's here on F95 too.
About your question, I think it will only affect one path in Tess's game, I write it below.

Men abusing women in fiction = Very, very bad. Leads to real domestic violence. Unless of course, it's written by a woman and appeals to their fantasies (Fifty Shades of Grey) in which case it's perfectly acceptable.

Women abusing women/men in fiction = ... absolutely no one cares.

I completely agree, so only the dominant Kane path that abuses women is in danger, you know what the internet is like.

Although maybe if they could prove that it was developed by a woman they wouldn't make such a fuss.

 

[WebMirage]

I think it will only affect one path in Tess's game, I write it below.

Oh come on. Essentially all the sex in this game is coerced; when it's not immediate and brutal rape it's assault via threats and blackmail and the constant snakepit of murderwhoreenforcers.

I mean, that's what makes it so good, but there's a sexual assault followed by a sexualised murder on a regular basis. It would be actually reasonable for people to have concerns about it being front page on a global mainstream service. (And that's what got No Mercy into trouble; it's one thing to have porn games available if you search and turn off a filter, but quite another to have Steam's algorithms actively push them into people's feeds. It's insane that Valve haven't spotted that obvious point.)

 

[IDONTHAVEANAME844]

Somehow that VN just happened to get mainstream attention and women hear about it and just assume that everyone that played it is going to start idolizing Andrew Tate and raping women.

Karlssons Gambit got mainstream attention? when? or did I misunderstand the scentence? (I've heard about the game through one of the "recommending" threads here)

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Incest is a slippery slope. While some might say biologics is the only thing that matters when it comes to incest, one could argue that someone raised in the same house as a sibling would also be incest. I could see why she'd want to avoid steam altogether.

 

[Stan5851]

so only the dominant Kane path that abuses women is in danger, you know what the internet is like.

That's not in the Dom route. That's where most all actions still happen either with the permission of someone from Z4 or under their care and supervision. So if we imagine for a moment that Steam/Patreon's double standards have disappeared, what about sub Kane, playing as whom the player doesn't have the option to refuse to have one imposed on them?

Or are NPC more important to you than the feelings of a real player? Sure, there's a certain amount of sarcasm and humor in all of this, but think about it. The Dom path is not and never has been an abuser path, which cannot be said about the Sub path, where the victim is not "NPC dummies", but the player directly.

In good conscience, it would be fair to give the choice not only to Dom players, who already have it, but also to subs (even if some of those guys don't want it ).

 

[Silver_Crow117]

That's not in the Dom route. That's where most all actions still happen either with the permission of someone from Z4 or under their care and supervision. So if we imagine for a moment that Steam/Patreon's double standards have disappeared, what about sub Kane, playing as whom the player doesn't have the option to refuse to have one imposed on them?

Or are NPC more important to you than the feelings of a real player? Sure, there's a certain amount of sarcasm and humor in all of this, but think about it. The Dom path is not and never has been an abuser path, which cannot be said about the Sub path, where the victim is not "NPC dummies", but the player directly.

In good conscience, it would be fair to give the choice not only to Dom players, who already have it, but also to subs (even if some of those guys don't want it ).

not gonna happen regardless

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

yup that wouldve been the demon path that no longer exists. Only abuse Kane is doling out is killing that other sister and possibly that blonde sister by pushing them into the plant

time to bait silvercrow

Now that we know that delilah is based on Anais,does that mean that her character is one of the unkillable characters?

 

[Silver_Crow117]

time to bait silvercrow

Now that we know that delilah is based on Anais,does that mean that her character is one of the unkillable characters?

Correct, she can’t die

 

[Dim the Wit]

Man it's been so long since the last time I played the game, gonna be fun replaying it since the very start when the update drops.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Man it's been so long since the last time I played the game, gonna be fun replaying it since the very start when the update drops.

Next update looks to be the end of one narrative part and the start of another. Great time to take it from the start.

 

[Stan5851]

yup that wouldve been the demon path that no longer exists. Only abuse Kane is doling out is killing that other sister and possibly that blonde sister by pushing them into the plant

How about a conspiracy theory? What if Tess deleted the demon path not because of unknown harassers that none of us saw, but just so the game wouldn't have a problem with Steam moderators? (After all, on the demon path abuses and kills women, not men no one cares about).

not gonna happen regardless

Well, that is if no one files a complaint about KG (sub route) violating Steam's TOS. Similar to what happened with the aforementioned "No Mercy". There have already been precedents for devs having to cut content or otherwise remake their games to start complying with Patreon or Steam's rules.

P.S. For example, "Fashion Business", which is quietly sold on Patreon, was once simply banned on Steam. And although the developer promptly eliminated all violations, the mods didn't care about it.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

How about a conspiracy theory? What if Tess deleted the demon path not because of unknown harassers that none of us saw, but just so the game wouldn't have a problem with Steam moderators? (After all, on the demon path abuses and kills women, not men no one cares about).

Well, that is if no one files a complaint about KG (sub route) violating Steam's TOS. Similar to what happened with the aforementioned "No Mercy". There have already been precedents for devs having to cut content or otherwise remake their games to start complying with Patreon or Steam's rules.

Unless people in-game are under the USA minimum age for interacting with explicit media(18) Steam doesn't care period. From what I saw, that game you mentioned got pulled by the dev to avoid media attention. No Steam TOS broken. Steam might bend in the future if multiple countries put heat on them though.
https://f95zone.to/threads/no-mercy-v1-03a-zeratgames.163992/post-16699426

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Unless people in-game are under the USA minimum age for interacting with explicit media(18) Steam doesn't care period. From what I saw, that game you mentioned got pulled by the dev to avoid media attention. No Steam TOS broken. Steam might bend in the future if multiple countries put heat on them though.
https://f95zone.to/threads/no-mercy-v1-03a-zeratgames.163992/post-16699426

Thanks for saving me words to type! To early for me to respond to Stan the Man lol