VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[akki_sky]

Speaking of Dom Kane, we have a constant ally we can influence and that's our beloved Olivia. At least the dev made sure she didn't seem like a "second MC" and as far as I can tell, she quite succeeded. So despite the fact that we can control her, she is perceived as a fairly independent character..(imo) So basically, the only restriction for Olivia to be our loyal ally - is for Kane and Liv to have similar moral principles. About Nadia, yes, it would be interesting to know more about her. She seems to genuinely love Kane.

As for leading a faction..it's not very clear how much independent, assertive and self-confident Kane will need it. At least DKane can reach (if we doesn't screw up) the highest rank in this company - Z5. The same Board (including the late Alexander) is Z4.

These things (factions) should worry Sub Kane more, because he is directly dependent on all these woman and this dependence will not disappear. So it's in his best interest to try to climb higher by finding someone under whose patronage he's willing to live on. Dom Kane has a different agenda - to try to take full power into his own hands by becoming the main man in this Corporation.

And even if Dom Kane shares the burden of supreme power with his lovely "little sis" Olivia, it will still be the rule of a King and a Queen (in my case, a queen obedient to Kane)...But does such a Kane, who has all the power, need to be the leader of a faction that will still obey his (or their and Olivia's) will by default? To me, the answer is obvious.

Olivia support is still path specific where she and kane are romantically involved. But If I want to go for dominique or juliatte romance down the road. Then i don't think she will be supportive , even if they both on same evil or good side. Evil Olivia who has demoness tag will definitely not support Kane going ahead of her. So she is not true ally.

If Kane wants to go for other karlsson girls then we have to move olivia to sub side more which means she will not make it to board otherwise she will be main villain. That's why I don't think she is true ally for kane. Only Nadia makes sense at this point for all paths.

 

[Chillout1984]

Olivia support is still path specific where she and kane are romantically involved. But If I want to go for dominique or juliatte romance down the road. Then i don't think she will be supportive , even if they both on same evil or good side. Evil Olivia who has demoness tag will definitely not support Kane going ahead of her. So she is not true ally.

If Kane wants to go for other karlsson girls then we have to move olivia to sub side more which means she will not make it to board otherwise she will be main villain. That's why I don't think she is true ally for kane. Only Nadia makes sense at this point for all paths.

Unless I misunderstood Nadia, she isn't really right for evil dom Kane (aka the Kane that is as cruel if not more so than Juliette). Her morals and his actions seem to totally clash to the point that she might even become the "villain" on that route.

 

[akki_sky]

Unless I misunderstood Nadia, she isn't really right for evil dom Kane (aka the Kane that is as cruel if not more so than Juliette). Her morals and his actions seem to totally clash to the point that she might even become the "villain" on that route.

Yes, but Kane is her family member. she is with him since jail. knows everything about what he is doing. even warned with knock knock when someone was about to enter kane's room when he was k6. Whether kane is good or evil, she shown same enthusiasm while meeting him in Veronica Lab.

We get option for Elena character to move her towards good or evil according to olivia. So Kane also need that one person and at this point it feels like most appropriate person is Nadia. who will be with him from begining to end. IMO She will fight with rest of dekock family, if they don't support kane and no matter what she will not abandon him.

 

[DoverDad]

I would not trust Nadia 100% just yet until we see more from her. She could be working with one of the Karllson Sisters or Delilah or working her own angle. If we're going by the fact that Kane can take over because his parents are both founding members, then what stops Nadia from taking over due to who her father is?

 

[kinkyshin]

Unless I misunderstood Nadia, she isn't really right for evil dom Kane (aka the Kane that is as cruel if not more so than Juliette). Her morals and his actions seem to totally clash to the point that she might even become the "villain" on that route.

I think maybe you're confusing Nadia with someone else lol

I would not trust Nadia 100% just yet until we see more from her. She could be working with one of the Karllson Sisters or Delilah or working her own angle. If we're going by the fact that Kane can take over because his parents are both founding members, then what stops Nadia from taking over due to who her father is?

Err... Nadia has openly despised the Karlssons in pretty much every single scene that she's been in lol. Hating the Karlssons is like half her personality at this point. I suppose it's technically possible that Delilah is a Karlsson... or maybe possible that she's gotten along with Alessandra (since she's Grym Gudinna and is the one that slipped Kane that hacker bracelet), but even in those cases... I just don't see it.

And what akki said makes some sense... Tess gave Olivia someone that's on her side no matter what (Elena, Chanel), but Kane has absolutely no one. Maybe in her mind Kane should have someone that sticks with him no matter what. And I think it seems pretty obvious that Callista and Cole will oppose Kane (at least to some degree) if he's evil. My guess is that Callista and Cole won't see eye to eye perfectly with Cynthia. If Kane is good, Nadia will choose him and Cole and Callista. If Kane is evil, Nadia will choose him and Cynthia. Or something along those lines.

 

[Stan5851]

Olivia support is still path specific where she and kane are romantically involved. But If I want to go for dominique or juliatte romance down the road. Then i don't think she will be supportive , even if they both on same evil or good side. Evil Olivia who has demoness tag will definitely not support Kane going ahead of her. So she is not true ally.

If Kane wants to go for other karlsson girls then we have to move olivia to sub side more which means she will not make it to board otherwise she will be main villain. That's why I don't think she is true ally for kane. Only Nadia makes sense at this point for all paths.

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[akki_sky]

There is no mechanism in the game to prevent her from getting on the Board. At least for now - it's part of the global plot that can't be changed. In fact, Liv is almost there already, her own mother gave her a seat on the Board. I would hazard a guess that Liv will take the Board seat right after the game show ends and Kane gets a final assessment of his actions. That doesn't mean she will lose her Warden position, but she will become Z4 in doing so.

No. Olivia seat at board is not fixed. If you look at that dialogue of Yevette when she is telling this olivia , she said something like "seat will be waiting for you if you deserved it". I don't remember exact words but this is what she said. So olivia seat is also not fixed.

I played one path where I chose all sub choices from begining for olivia. In that path in scene where patricia meets veronica and alessandra near pool, after that when they were about to go down elevator they talk about olivia. In which alessandra says that "olivia is too submissive but we will see". Then on first scene with juliatte if olivia don't punish daniel, then juliatte also says something.

Karlsson sister not going to like too sub olivia , so they will not allow her on board.

Now dev's dialogue don't make sense for olivia if she is sub or good. olivia don't even talk with kane for few minutes when he is sleeping in her house after first evaluation. But she still says that i'm closer with kane but never showed it. during that short lick scene also she says that "you need to prove your strength to me". I mean you already know him entire life, you know everything about him, why he need to prove anything to you, Olivia should have said something like "i belive in you, you will do great, after this is over we can talk about us."
Then cassandra dialogue in that scene, misstress you bending your knee. Why overhype bending the knee , dominique and juliatte already did that in same run.

 

[Chillout1984]

I think maybe you're confusing Nadia with someone else lol

Nadia is the hacker, right? If so, then no. She seems über pacifist to me.

 

[kinkyshin]

Nadia is the hacker, right? If so, then no. She seems über pacifist to me.

Bro... what?

Do you think Juliette is nice too?

 

[Chillout1984]

Bro... what?

Do you think Juliette is nice too?

Not at all, but if I interpret the story correctly, Nadia wants to bring the Karlsson's down because they're too sadistic. Juliette is the most sadistic Karlsson in my run, the only ones who might be more sadistic are Kane and Olivia.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Not at all, but if I interpret the story correctly, Nadia wants to bring the Karlsson's down because they're too sadistic. Juliette is the most sadistic Karlsson in my run, the only ones who might be more sadistic are Kane and Olivia.

She keeps a girl as a pet in a cage and plays games with a dying man, hardly a paragon of virtue. She does indeed hate the Karlssons but that doesn't mean she doesn't have her own twisted tendencies. Callista sees this and tries to warn her against having her rage twist her morality.

 

[Chillout1984]

She keeps a girl as a pet in a cage and plays games with a dying man, hardly a paragon of virtue. She does indeed hate the Karlssons but that doesn't mean she doesn't have her own twisted tendencies. Callista sees this and tries to warn her against having her rage twist her morality.

Somehow I missed that (probably skipped too much to get back to Kane, Olivia and the Karlssons). I do agree it's sick to play with a dying man, but it's a completely different story to kill a person with (almost) no remorse who did little to nothing wrong (like Kane and Olivia do on my run).

Also a girl as a pet in a cage in this world isn't that bad if she isn't tortured.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Somehow I missed that (probably skipped too much to get back to Kane, Olivia and the Karlssons). I do agree it's sick to play with a dying man, but it's a completely different story to kill a person with (almost) no remorse who did little to nothing wrong (like Kane and Olivia do on my run).

Also a girl as a pet in a cage in this world isn't that bad if she isn't tortured.

Nadia keeps her as a pet to "lick suck and scream for her". Nobody said that Nadia is the worst offender but she is still a sick kitten. But yes pretty standard among the ruling clans in this world.

 

[Chillout1984]

Nadia keeps her as a pet to "lick suck and scream for her". Nobody said that Nadia is the worst offender but she is still a sick kitten. But yes pretty standard among the ruling clans in this world.

Wow, I really need to reread her content then. To be honest I only read her conversation with Kane during their first meet, and that was so extremely boring on her side and made her seem like a pacifist, that it totally made me uninterested in her later conversations (except for future conversations with Kane) so I skipped them (like I said in my previous comment). My bad then, it seems she's less of a pacifist/anti-slave than she seems to be in the first conversation with Kane.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Wow, I really need to reread her content then. To be honest I only read her conversation with Kane during their first meet, and that was so extremely boring on her side and made her seem like a pacifist, that it totally made me uninterested in her later conversations (except for future conversations with Kane) so I skipped them (like I said in my previous comment). My bad then, it seems she's less of a pacifist/anti-slave than she seems to be in the first conversation with Kane.

She has a scene in the submarine with her family where she plays with the dying man right before the scene meeting with Cynthia and your performance evaluation. The one with her pet is after Olivia's welcome party. Right after the scene where Raven asks for your choice of assistant in the dom path or after waking up in the car trunk on sub path.

 

[Chillout1984]

She has a scene in the submarine with her family where she plays with the dying man right before the scene meeting with Cynthia and your performance evaluation. The one with her pet is after Olivia's welcome party. Right after the scene where Raven asks for your choice of assistant in the dom path or after waking up in the car trunk on sub path.

Hmmm back then I still read all the dialogue and I vaguely remember that scene, but somehow I missed that being Nadia. I thought that was one of the more sadistic Karlssons or their personal slaves (or whatever they're called, the K9+).

 

[kinkyshin]

Not at all, but if I interpret the story correctly, Nadia wants to bring the Karlsson's down because they're too sadistic. Juliette is the most sadistic Karlsson in my run, the only ones who might be more sadistic are Kane and Olivia.

Nadia is actually compared to Juliette by several people. (Veronica says she's a more refined version of Juliette. Cynthia jokes that she's Juliette's sister.)

Nadia hates the Karlssons but not because of their sadism... I mean, she was raised by her aunt... because Alexander locked her father in prison for 20 years, forced her mother to be on the run, and seemed to have placed some sort of bomb inside her brother lol.

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[Chillout1984]

Nadia is actually compared to Juliette by several people. (Veronica says she's a more refined version of Juliette. Cynthia jokes that she's Juliette's sister.)

Nadia hates the Karlssons but not because of their sadism... I mean, she was raised by her aunt... because Alexander locked her father in prison for 20 years, forced her mother to be on the run, and seemed to have placed some sort of bomb inside her brother lol.

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Mmm no wonder I didn't remember those scenes as them being the same person (I'm not that good with remembering names unless they're main characters, but I do mostly remember "characters").... Now I see those I do remember them, but they're completely the opposite of what she shows herself to be when she meets Kane and the short talk beforehand. It's almost like she has borderline or something.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Mmm no wonder I didn't remember those scenes as them being the same person (I'm not that good with remembering names unless they're main characters, but I do mostly remember "characters").... Now I see those I do remember them, but they're completely the opposite of what she shows herself to be when she meets Kane and the short talk beforehand. It's almost like she has borderline or something.

I think she genuinely cares for Kane and for her family in general. She makes a distinction in her mind between those she cares for and everyone else.

If Kane is in the sub path she is very sad and wants him to be treated better. She gets very upset when she has to see him treated poorly like other slaves before her eyes.

 

[Chillout1984]

If Kane is in the sub path she is very sad and wants him to be treated better. She gets very upset when she has to see him treated poorly like other slaves before her eyes.

I guess I'll see that route if the dev decides to add steam achievements for it if she indeed brings the game to Steam (and isn't afraid for potential backlash/doxing from the "common folk").