VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.2B Final] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[harsha_26]

A few things:
a) If he was going to put a bomb inside of his kids it definitely wouldve been when Astrid refused him because back then all of his kids including veronica were afraid of him.
b) That would be a weird line to not have incest in the game and make a big deal about incest not in her game just to use it to villainize an antagonist.
c) Unless alexander stuck a bomb inside of him when he was a baby, I doubt that it happened when Kane was young. Only thing I can think of is whatever fluid that veronica stuck inside of kane to make him temporarily sterile.

May be thats the reason his sperm is infertile yet? (Cum collection). Dominique knows too much. Veronica rightly said that she has to give more credit for keeping cole hidden from all and supporting his work for food growth.

I mean, upto now what we knew is.. out of all 4 karlssons sisters, Dominique is the good one (unless you make her bad to get movie theater sex lol), while veronica is a pragmatic, alensandra is also bad, Juliette is just brutal. So, nobody expects a good once to do all these. Nice cover Dominique. Well, she is the eldest sister and also the executive head of overall operations while her sisters only heading the one area of operation. I wouldn't be suprised if the enemy is indeed Dominique.

 

[kinkyshin]

A few things:
a) If he was going to put a bomb inside of his kids it definitely wouldve been when Astrid refused him because back then all of his kids including veronica were afraid of him.

Huh, why then? Why not simply the same time he did it to Kane?

And putting bombs inside them doesn't just ensure obedience in his children, but also his lovers as well. Yvette certainly is never going to cross him or take her children and flee like Callista tried to if Veronica and Astrid both have bombs that he can detonate whenever he pleases. If you're unhinged enough to place a bomb inside of your ex-lover's child, then why not your own children as well...

b) That would be a weird line to not have incest in the game and make a big deal about incest not in her game just to use it to villainize an antagonist.

Well, a few things:
1) It happens offscreen so Patreon likely won't have much of a problem with it.
2) It doesn't sensualize incest in any way, it actually demonizes the specific form of incest that Tess hates the most (Father/daughter or Father/Stepdaughter)
3) Not just villainizing an antagonist but also to justify parts of Veronica's character, like her being an 'ice queen' and that Kane and Veronica have something in common which is that they've both suffered a lot due to Alexander.

c) Unless alexander stuck a bomb inside of him when he was a baby, I doubt that it happened when Kane was young. Only thing I can think of is whatever fluid that veronica stuck inside of kane to make him temporarily sterile.

Yes, of course when he was a baby...

I mean, it certainly wasn't Veronica that stuck a bomb in him if that's what you mean lol

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Huh, why then? Why not simply the same time he did it to Kane?

And putting bombs inside them doesn't just ensure obedience in his children, but also his lovers as well. Yvette certainly is never going to cross him or take her children and flee like Callista tried to if Veronica and Astrid both have bombs that he can detonate whenever he pleases. If you're unhinged enough to place a bomb inside of your ex-lover's child, then why not your own children as well...


Well, a few things:
1) It happens offscreen so Patreon likely won't have much of a problem with it.
2) It doesn't sensualize incest in any way, it actually demonizes the specific form of incest that Tess hates the most (Father/daughter or Father/Stepdaughter)
3) Not just villainizing an antagonist but also to justify parts of Veronica's character, like her being an 'ice queen' and that Kane and Veronica have something in common which is that they've both suffered a lot due to Alexander.


Yes, of course when he was a baby...

I mean, it certainly wasn't Veronica that stuck a bomb in him if that's what you mean lol

A) We know he didnt place bombs inside of his kids because if he did so, Veronica wouldve had nothing to threaten him with since the board wouldve voted however he wanted regardless of what Veronicas threats were.

B) The patreon stuff means nothing. Tess herself is on record as saying she hates incest and won't have it in her game. Also as far as Kane knows he had a relatively normal childhood so he wouldnt have had that in common with veronica.

C) Callista escaped when she was pregnant with Kane, not sure he couldve done anything to Kane while he was still a kid. If there is a bomb it had to have either been done by veronica or when Kane was arrested.

 

[Stan5851]

I mean, it certainly wasn't Veronica that stuck a bomb in him if that's what you mean lol

Well, that's good old Miles. I'd be surprised if he didn't try to blame it on Veronica, who he doesn't like. Haha, classic.

3) Not just villainizing an antagonist but also to justify parts of Veronica's character, like her being an 'ice queen' and that Kane and Veronica have something in common which is that they've both suffered a lot due to Alexander.

Yeah, that's about what I was gonna write, but you beat me to it. But I have an excuse, it's 7:00 in the morning and I'm insanely sleepy.

As for the bomb, guys, I'll give you a hint.

Think about who Alexander can trust with the keys to set it off. Yes, it could be anyone, but above all it would have to be his most devoted daughter, willing to do anything without hesitation or doubt.

Here's a good post by Miles with a brief pschological portrait of each of the sisters. You can argue with some things, particularly the phrase about Veronica's moral compass, haha, but overall everything else makes sense..

I wish to examine Alexander and his relationship with his daughters more.

Astrid likely wanted nothing to do with him so mentally, he had little to no effect of her.
Juliette likely was a daddy's girl who wanted to impress him, which would explain her cruelty. She's trying to emulate her father. She gets off on the mental stuff. That scene with the boat survivor was brutal but important from a character's perspective.
Dominique tries to fight her father's training, but ultimately, it still affects her. It messes with her the most out of all the sisters. It messes her up big time as she can't decide whether or not she wants to be moral.
Veronica I'd imagine wouldn't have a moral compass if not for her sister. She'd likely be a lot worse in her treatment of slaves, but her sister affected her.
Alessandra is an interesting case. She's taken her upbringing in stride and has become a people pleaser. Probably as psychologically messed up by her upbringing as her sisters but she hides it well. She sums up her upbringing as the cost of being rich.

So Alexander definitely didn't need a wavering daughter, not entirely sure if she was on the side of good or evil...No, there had to be someone here willing to fight not only Callista, but Veronica. I guess there aren't that many options, hehe.

Although, I still don't rule out that this someone mysterious with a "remote in her hand" is one of Alexander's surviving sisters (Karin, I think). But that's assuming she wasn't one of those mysterious and bossy women who subjected Alexander to humiliation when he wasn't yet the founder of the company... And we can't rule out the possibility that this someone is a character we don't even know yet.

Okay, that's a wrap and I'm going to bed. See you guys.

 

[kinkyshin]

A) We know he didnt place bombs inside of his kids because if he did so, Veronica wouldve had nothing to threaten him with since the board wouldve voted however he wanted regardless of what Veronicas threats were.

B) The patreon stuff means nothing. Tess herself is on record as saying she hates incest and won't have it in her game. Also as far as Kane knows he had a relatively normal childhood so he wouldnt have had that in common with veronica.

C) Callista escaped when she was pregnant with Kane, not sure he couldve done anything to Kane while he was still a kid. If there is a bomb it had to have either been done by veronica or when Kane was arrested.

A) I already said he didn't place bombs inside his kids. I simply said I was surprised that he didn't.
B) Kane has suffered a lot and the direct source of this suffering is Alexander Karlsson.
C) Except she didn't actually escape. She was soon found by Alexander.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

A) I already said he didn't place bombs inside his kids. I simply said I was surprised that he didn't.
B) Kane has suffered a lot and the direct source of this suffering is Alexander Karlsson.
C) Except she didn't actually escape. She was soon found by Alexander.

B) How so? Until he was put in jail and entered into the gambit, his only complaint seemed to be that Callista was a pain in the ass when it came to teaching and that he didnt know who his father was. Hell, up until the gambit, I doubt Kane even heard of Alexander unless there was some news on something he did.
c) As far as we know, in accordance with the story, Alexander caught her trying to escape but wound up letting her go in exchange for her following his demands. I doubt she came back once she left.

 

[kinkyshin]

B) How so? Until he was put in jail and entered into the gambit, his only complaint seemed to be that Callista was a pain in the ass when it came to teaching and that he didnt know who his father was.

We don't know exactly how good or bad Kane and Olivia had it growing up. We've only heard bits and pieces. For the most part they seem to have grown up poor but mostly happy and relieved that they didn't have it as bad as so many others. When Olivia tells Elena that she wants to make the world a better place she says, "It's so brutal out there right now."

But getting sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit soon after your mother supposedly dies? And then the Joy Facility has been absolutely hellish on the sub route - constantly being abused and paraded around like a loser. Of course it's not nearly as bad on the dom route, but he's still been a slave while the woman he thinks is his sister is treated like royalty.

Alexander placed some sort of bomb inside of him. Alexander is the reason that Kane was denied his birthright as a DeKock and a childhood with his father and his sister. Alexander is the reason that Callista has had to spoon-feed him lies his whole life, and fake her own death while he rots in prison.

Kane just doesn't know Alexander is the reason for all of this yet.

Hell, up until the gambit, I doubt Kane even heard of Alexander unless there was some news on something he did.

Of course he has heard of Alexander Karlsson... He and Olivia has spoken about him in the flashback, and Kane said "Oh that guy. He seems to have the most greedy and evil man alive title locked up. But I still bet it would be nice to be in his shoes...a life of luxury."

c) As far as we know, in accordance with the story, Alexander caught her trying to escape but wound up letting her go in exchange for her following his demands. I doubt she came back once she left.

I mean, the whole point of her faking her death was because the bomb was already inside of Kane... So your idea of it being placed in Kane after he was arrested is not even possible.

 

[harsha_26]

We don't know exactly how good or bad Kane and Olivia had it growing up. We've only heard bits and pieces. For the most part they seem to have grown up poor but mostly happy and relieved that they didn't have it as bad as so many others. When Olivia tells Elena that she wants to make the world a better place she says, "It's so brutal out there right now."

But getting sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit soon after your mother supposedly dies? And then the Joy Facility has been absolutely hellish on the sub route - constantly being abused and paraded around like a loser. Of course it's not nearly as bad on the dom route, but he's still been a slave while the woman he thinks is his sister is treated like royalty.

Alexander placed some sort of bomb inside of him. Alexander is the reason that Kane was denied his birthright as a DeKock and a childhood with his father and his sister. Alexander is the reason that Callista has had to spoon-feed him lies his whole life, and fake her own death while he rots in prison.

Kane just doesn't know Alexander is the reason for all of this yet.



Of course he has heard of Alexander Karlsson... He and Olivia has spoken about him in the flashback, and Kane said "Oh that guy. He seems to have the most greedy and evil man alive title locked up. But I still bet it would be nice to be in his shoes...a life of luxury."


I mean, the whole point of her faking her death was because the bomb was already inside of Kane... So your idea of it being placed in Kane after he was arrested is not even possible.

I hope when the time comes, tess can show everything so clearly that we all could understand and not to interpretate anything. Because, even though there is Dom and sub routes, they are many more sub routes available and in each sub route we find something new about the flashback. So, chances are.. We all miss something unless we play all other possible paths.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

We don't know exactly how good or bad Kane and Olivia had it growing up. We've only heard bits and pieces. For the most part they seem to have grown up poor but mostly happy and relieved that they didn't have it as bad as so many others. When Olivia tells Elena that she wants to make the world a better place she says, "It's so brutal out there right now."

But getting sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit soon after your mother supposedly dies? And then the Joy Facility has been absolutely hellish on the sub route - constantly being abused and paraded around like a loser. Of course it's not nearly as bad on the dom route, but he's still been a slave while the woman he thinks is his sister is treated like royalty.

Alexander placed some sort of bomb inside of him. Alexander is the reason that Kane was denied his birthright as a DeKock and a childhood with his father and his sister. Alexander is the reason that Callista has had to spoon-feed him lies his whole life, and fake her own death while he rots in prison.

Kane just doesn't know Alexander is the reason for all of this yet.



Of course he has heard of Alexander Karlsson... He and Olivia has spoken about him in the flashback, and Kane said "Oh that guy. He seems to have the most greedy and evil man alive title locked up. But I still bet it would be nice to be in his shoes...a life of luxury."


I mean, the whole point of her faking her death was because the bomb was already inside of Kane... So your idea of it being placed in Kane after he was arrested is not even possible.

A) Thats either all stuff that he didnt know or stuff that he thinks Veronica is on board with. I dont see how they would bond with her over it.
b) What I meant was that as far as Kane knew prior to this, Alexander was just some rich asshole on tv the equivalent to our trump, musk or beezos.
c) The whole point of her faking her death was so that she could move around the joy facility undetected. We still don't have confirmation on when that bomb was placed but unless it was placed on him in the womb, it was likely placed on him later in life. If anything Id imagine the thing in his head is the same thing we've seen used on Katsumi and angel. Which can be traced back to Veronica ( sorry stan).

 

[kinkyshin]

b) What I meant was that as far as Kane knew prior to this, Alexander was just some rich asshole on tv the equivalent to our trump, musk or beezos.

Yea, just some rich asshole on tv... except you then later find out that this same person raped and abused your mother. Locked your father in prison for 20 years because your mother chose the better man. Planted a bomb inside of you and handed someone else the detonator that will blow it up if they ever find out your mother is alive, causing her to fake her death even to you. Was the reason you couldn't grow up with your rich relatives and had to grow up poor. Was the reason you had to grow up without your sister. Was the reason you were sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit and had to spend months eating sludge from a bowl while your brother was dying of a terminal illness. Was the reason you were forced to endure a situation where you have to "to endure, adapt, survive, and eventually thrive under the power of a group of cruel and capricious women." just because he himself had to do so at some point in his life. (Not that Kane will likely ever know about some of the abuse Callista faced)

A) Thats either all stuff that he didnt know or stuff that he thinks Veronica is on board with. I dont see how they would bond with her over it.

Okay, now imagine you're Kane telling Veronica everything I wrote above, and her response is "Oh, well I quite liked my father. We got along very well."

Compared to, "My father completely isolated me from everyone and physically and sexually abused me. He injected my sister with an incurable terminal disease. In the end, I killed him. I've been desperately trying to save humanity all by myself for years by the way because almost everyone else in power is evil."

c) The whole point of her faking her death was so that she could move around the joy facility undetected.

You're wrong...

We still don't have confirmation on when that bomb was placed but unless it was placed on him in the womb, it was likely placed on him later in life. If anything Id imagine the thing in his head is the same thing we've seen used on Katsumi and angel. Which can be traced back to Veronica ( sorry stan).

I suppose it's technically possible that it was placed on him later in life, but that seems unlikely.

As for 'traced back to Veronica' we can actually confirm with 100% certainty that this isn't the case... Look at what Tess said "She has to ensure a specific person does not know she is alive and/or hope that person doesn't kill Kane right away." Veronica knows she is alive and in fact just met with her...

 

[harsha_26]

Yea, just some rich asshole on tv... except you then later find out that this same person raped and abused your mother. Locked your father in prison for 20 years because your mother chose the better man. Planted a bomb inside of you and handed someone else the detonator that will blow it up if they ever find out your mother is alive, causing her to fake her death even to you. Was the reason you couldn't grow up with your rich relatives and had to grow up poor. Was the reason you had to grow up without your sister. Was the reason you were sent to prison for a crime you didn't commit and had to spend months eating sludge from a bowl while your brother was dying of a terminal illness. Was the reason you were forced to endure a situation where you have to "to endure, adapt, survive, and eventually thrive under the power of a group of cruel and capricious women." just because he himself had to do so at some point in his life. (Not that Kane will likely ever know about some of the abuse Callista faced)


Okay, now imagine you're Kane telling Veronica everything I wrote above, and her response is "Oh, well I quite liked my father. We got along very well."

Compared to, "My father completely isolated me from everyone and physically and sexually abused me. He injected my sister with an incurable terminal disease. In the end, I killed him. I've been desperately trying to save humanity all by myself for years by the way because almost everyone else in power is evil."


You're wrong...
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I suppose it's technically possible that it was placed on him later in life, but that seems unlikely.

As for 'traced back to Veronica' we can actually confirm with 100% certainty that this isn't the case... Look at what Tess said "She has to ensure a specific person does not know she is alive and/or hope that person doesn't kill Kane right away." Veronica knows she is alive and in fact just met with her...

So only Callista and Veronica knows this and that's why Cole is suprised to know that Kane is with the Karlssons and not happy about it.

 

[harsha_26]

Can somebody explain stefan's Ulysses Metaphor?

 

[bratkoratko]

At this point I wont be surprised if Callista is going to "save" sub Kane just so that she could use him as her own sex slave

 

[harsha_26]

At this point I wont be surprised if Callista is going to "save" sub Kane just so that she could use him as her own sex slave

She may try to.. But Patreon police will catch tess lol.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Why would Callista even think about that when she just got cole back?

 

[jadepaladin]

Why would Callista even think about that when she just got cole back?

Cmon Miles you know the answer. Gooner brain>rational thought.

 

[Ricthequick]

May be thats the reason his sperm is infertile yet? (Cum collection). Dominique knows too much. Veronica rightly said that she has to give more credit for keeping cole hidden from all and supporting his work for food growth.

Veronica made his cum "inactive", she clearly states it at some point, including how she doesn't know for how longer the effect would last (or something on those lines, I have a horrible memory).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Cmon Miles you know the answer. Gooner brain>rational thought.

Fair enough, I have been so chastened

 

[Hazardgaming]

Can somebody explain stefan's Ulysses Metaphor?

I would imagine that it’s in reference to Homer’s Odyssey, in which Odysseus (in Latin the name is Ulysses) returns to his kingdom and enacts vengeance upon all who wronged him and his family.

The suitors' presence in Odysseus's home, consuming his resources and disrespecting his wife and son, is a grave violation of the Greek principle of xenia (hospitality).
So Odysseus, disguised as a beggar, carefully plans his revenge, enduring the suitors' taunts before revealing himself and slaughtering them with the help of his son Telemachus and loyal servants.


What Stefan meant to convey to Kane, was likely just that Cole is alive and that he intends to return to his home. In my humble opinion.. I don’t view Cole as being even remotely in the same league as Ulysses. He’s more of a Paris of Troy than a great ruler capable of enacting vengeance.

 

[Stan5851]

You're wrong...
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I suppose it's technically possible that it was placed on him later in life, but that seems unlikely.

As for 'traced back to Veronica' we can actually confirm with 100% certainty that this isn't the case... Look at what Tess said "She has to ensure a specific person does not know she is alive and/or hope that person doesn't kill Kane right away." Veronica knows she is alive and in fact just met with her...

Well, it wasn't Veronica's fault. Although I didn't doubt it without Tess's comment. Sorry, Miles.

BTW, I wonder how Yvette knows about the bomb inside Kane? I'll never believe she's Callista's enemy, so I'm going to hazard a guess that V, while examining and scanning Kane's body, could very well have discovered that "bomb" and then told her mother and Astrid about it.

And if so, then it's not all that simple with that bomb...as I suspected. And it's not the kind of thing Veronica can pull out with a snap of her fingers while lazily sipping coffee. So unless she has an isolated bunker protected from all waves, electromagnetic fields and radio signals, the operation to retrieve the bomb could be very complicated. And then there are non-removable objects that can only be deactivated.