VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Rowszix]

Then why the evil domoness in sub path is very interested to kill k1 kane?

Maybe because demoness evil is kinda stupidly evil? I am actually serious with that, maybe Olivia being super extremly evil to Kane, while he is extremly unsuccesfull, is just Olivia fucking up for the first time. Up to this point Olivia can't really make mistakes, but after the game show, things might get more serious for her too. Based on the final conversation of Veronica and Alessandra at the end of the current content, I asume that the happy time for the Karlssons is coming to an end and they can be themselves in danger too (in Episode 10 one of them can die, according to the discord). Since Kane dying is an early game over this could be a first taste of Olivia needing to be smart now too. Also I still think Kane dying early will just mean open war between the Karlssons and the DeCocks, therefore possible bad end for Olivia too.

Olivia needs Kane alive to inherit the company. Unless it's claudia which would be out of left field or someone we arent introduced to, Alessandra is the only one that makes sense.

They you assume the masked sister in the conversation with the Gambit Queen is not Alessandra? I think it is kinda hinted, that the masked sisters knows that the queen is Callista (the comment about the speaker fun and the voice changer, made me thought so), which would also eliminate Alessandra as the trigger holder.

Maybe the trigger holder is just the unknown 7th board member (or is the 7th member just Astrid and I missed that?).

 

[harsha_26]

Maybe because demoness evil is kinda stupidly evil? I am actually serious with that, maybe Olivia being super extremly evil to Kane, while he is extremly unsuccesfull, is just Olivia fucking up for the first time. Up to this point Olivia can't really make mistakes, but after the game show, things might get more serious for her too. Based on the final conversation of Veronica and Alessandra at the end of the current content, I asume that the happy time for the Karlssons is coming to an end and they can be themselves in danger too (in Episode 10 one of them can die, according to the discord). Since Kane dying is an early game over this could be a first taste of Olivia needing to be smart now too. Also I still think Kane dying early will just mean open war between the Karlssons and the DeCocks, therefore possible bad end for Olivia too.


They you assume the masked sister in the conversation with the Gambit Queen is not Alessandra? I think it is kinda hinted, that the masked sisters knows that the queen is Callista (the comment about the speaker fun and the voice changer, made me thought so), which would also eliminate Alessandra as the trigger holder.

Maybe the trigger holder is just the unknown 7th board member (or is the 7th member just Astrid and I missed that?).

Open war? could be. But, I wont be surprised if they stop going to war, especially cole for the "greater good" and play the savior game instead. Cynthia also may not care that much if cole is not giving a damn about it. Callista alone can't able to do anything even she wants to and she may realize it is already too late to take revenge and join the savior gang instead. I sound of like a doomer man, but bro, Tess is not interested in giving Kane true rewards for being a MC. She just sees him as a pawn instead of protagonist.

 

[Rowszix]

Open war? could be. But, I wont be surprised if they stop going to war, especially cole for the "greater good" and play the savior game instead. Cynthia also may not care that much if cole is not giving a damn about it. Callista alone can't able to do anything even she wants to and she may realize it is already too late to take revenge and join the savior gang instead. I sound of like a doomer man, but bro, Tess is not interested in giving Kane true rewards for being a MC. She just sees him as a pawn instead of protagonist.

Get your points, but there already is a lot of tension between the two familys/companies. And I assume at least Callista (and maybe Cole just for her too) will stop giving a fuck about the greater good if Kane dies and Nadia is also very protective of sub Kane.
Kane might not be the most important person in the world but he is a key piece for the truce between the Karlssons and the DeCocks. When he is just killed off I still think it will trigger a lot of shit.
I also have this stance, since this would actually feel like satisfying storytelling to me. I understand your point about him just being a pawn, but he still is the protagonist of the story .
Also an early game over, if it is not just a game over screen (lol) should show a little bit of what happens afterwards and an open war that bascially destroys both families -with Veronica just saying fuck it and leaves- could show a world ending scenario without spoling too much for future content.

Edit: I admit maybe I just think something like this would happen, because I want evil decisions basically having consequences .

 

[NewGuy2022]

Get your points, but there already is a lot of tension between the two familys/companies. And I assume at least Callista (and maybe Cole just for her too) will stop giving a fuck about the greater good if Kane dies and Nadia is also very protective of sub Kane.
Kane might not be the most important person in the world but he is a key piece for the truce between the Karlssons and the DeCocks. When he is just killed off I still think it will trigger a lot of shit.
I also have this stance, since this would actually feel like satisfying storytelling to me. I understand your point about him just being a pawn, but he still is the protagonist of the story .
Also an early game over, if it is not just a game over screen (lol) should show a little bit of what happens afterwards and an open war that bascially destroys both families -with Veronica just saying fuck it and leaves- could show a world ending scenario without spoling too much for future content.

Edit: I admit maybe I just think something like this would happen, because I want evil decisions basically having consequences .

On the dom-good route, Kane is the key because he offers the bridge between the two power families--Karlssons & DeKocks. Killing him off would be no bueno.

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Oh, and I believe Cole is the 7th board member as a founder. Unless Alexander was able to kick him off, I'd expect there were enough votes to keep him there. Guess we'll find out in the coming updates.

Edit: apologies; I checked my math again. There are 6 Karlsson daughters (counting Olivia and Astrid); Yvette makes #7.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Then why the evil domoness in sub path is very interested to kill k1 kane?

Hard to say without seeing the sub path, but if Elena isn't correcting that action, she's fucking up.

They you assume the masked sister in the conversation with the Gambit Queen is not Alessandra? I think it is kinda hinted, that the masked sisters knows that the queen is Callista (the comment about the speaker fun and the voice changer, made me thought so), which would also eliminate Alessandra as the trigger holder.

Maybe the trigger holder is just the unknown 7th board member (or is the 7th member just Astrid and I missed that?).

Nope I know for a fact that the masked figure is Alessandra. She knows the queen is hiding her identity, but she has no idea who the queen is, nor did Callista reveal herself to her.

 

[Rowszix]

Hard to say without seeing the sub path, but if Elena isn't correcting that action, she's fucking up.


Nope I know for a fact that the masked figure is Alessandra. She knows the queen is hiding her identity, but she has no idea who the queen is, nor did Callista reveal herself to her.

The Walkthroug claims Kane can die if Olivia doesn't says he is protected, so he should be able to die here, I assume in the last game, since we learn on sub path, that everybody who doesn't make it past a certain point in that game, while somebody is finishing it, will be killed by the VIPs.

Intresting, I also assumed it is Alessandra, but how can you be sure? Also I was under the impression she knows who the queen is but, yeah it is not certain, so you could be right. So you think Callista is playing her, to ensure Kane lives?

Oh, and I believe Cole is the 7th board member as a founder. Unless Alexander was able to kick him off, I'd expect there were enough votes to keep him there. Guess we'll find out in the coming updates.

But then Dominque would hold a board member hostage, this seems to be a very dangerous game to play. Also in the converstaion between the masked sister and the Gambit Queen it is stated that all board members can vote. But I don't assume a imprisoned Cole actually can vote.

 

[NewGuy2022]

The Walkthroug claims Kane can die if Olivia doesn't says he is protected, so he should be able to die here, I assume in the last game, since we learn on sub path, that everybody who doesn't make it past a certain point in that game, while somebody is finishing it, will be killed by the VIPs.

Intresting, I also assumed it is Alessandra, but how can you be sure? Also I was under the impression she knows who the queen is but, yeah it is not certain, so you could be right. So you think Callista is playing her, to ensure Kane lives?


But then Dominque would hold a board member hostage, this seems to be a very dangerous game to play. Also in the converstaion between the masked sister and the Gambit Queen it is stated that all board members can vote. But I don't assume a imprisoned Cole actually can vote.

He can now.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Intresting, I also assumed it is Alessandra, but how can you be sure? Also I was under the impression she knows who the queen is but, yeah it is not certain, so you could be right. So you think Callista is playing her, to ensure Kane lives?

The first ninja called herself grymm gudina, the walkthrough identifies grymm as Alessandra.

Oh, and I believe Cole is the 7th board member as a founder. Unless Alexander was able to kick him off, I'd expect there were enough votes to keep him there. Guess we'll find out in the coming updates.

Its not Cole, Tess already said somewhere in this thread that it wasnt Cole. Besides up until recently, Dom was the only one that even knew that Cole was alive.

 

[Rowszix]

The first ninja called herself grymm gudina, the walkthrough identifies grymm as Alessandra.

Ok, good to know. Makes also sense why she is aligning herself with Olivia so hard and not really pushing to win Kane for herself. So her two votes from the board are Veronica (they are portrayed as close in the beginning) and Yvette (I assume those always come in a pack), and the votes against her Juliette, Dominique and the unknown 7th member. So maybe it is one of the mothers of Dom or Juliette? Or maybe Alexanders remaining sister who returned after (or even before) his death?

Also with Tess statement in the discord that one Sister was supposed to die in Episode 10 but this is optional now, who do you think it is? I guess Alessandra or Dominique since those two are plotting against each other. Also we know Veronica and Astrid are safe and taking out Olivia early wouldn't really make sense. Juliette is of course an option too, but the other two seem more likely to me.

Also do you think Tess has plans for unusual decision making to have very different outcomes? For example a normally extremely evil Kane that is still loyal to Jake or a good Olivia with the fuckSeth flag? I mean an evil overlord chairman Kane with Jake as his right hand man could be a fun end . And in the court room scene he can help him, and for this scene to happen, at least Olivia needs to have a demoness flag. So maybe this is just there for a good Kane/evil Olivia romance, which ialso seems already like an unusual decision style
For the Olivia thing I can not even think how it would make sense for her, except that she just tries to play the role of the super bitch, but the flag also changes Kanes way to get princesseye points with her, so...

 

[Stan5851]

The first ninja called herself grymm gudina, the walkthrough identifies grymm as Alessandra.

Its not Cole, Tess already said somewhere in this thread that it wasnt Cole. Besides up until recently, Dom was the only one that even knew that Cole was alive.

Miles, I think these guys should definitely reread the old discussions in this thread so they don't make the same mistakes as other newbies. I mean, you're giving them the right answers, but honestly, if they set themselves a goal and used the thread search function (by keyword), they would find out everything for themselves. Just saying.

 

[harsha_26]

You guys are all betting on Tess, The "Queen of Mood Swings". The woman who can change the story overnight just to score "win" against the fans.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Ok, good to know. Makes also sense why she is aligning herself with Olivia so hard and not really pushing to win Kane for herself. So her two votes from the board are Veronica (they are portrayed as close in the beginning) and Yvette (I assume those always come in a pack), and the votes against her Juliette, Dominique and the unknown 7th member. So maybe it is one of the mothers of Dom or Juliette? Or maybe Alexanders remaining sister who returned after (or even before) his death?

Also with Tess statement in the discord that one Sister was supposed to die in Episode 10 but this is optional now, who do you think it is? I guess Alessandra or Dominique since those two are plotting against each other. Also we know Veronica and Astrid are safe and taking out Olivia early wouldn't really make sense. Juliette is of course an option too, but the other two seem more likely to me.

Also do you think Tess has plans for unusual decision making to have very different outcomes? For example a normally extremely evil Kane that is still loyal to Jake or a good Olivia with the fuckSeth flag? I mean an evil overlord chairman Kane with Jake as his right hand man could be a fun end . And in the court room scene he can help him, and for this scene to happen, at least Olivia needs to have a demoness flag. So maybe this is just there for a good Kane/evil Olivia romance, which ialso seems already like an unusual decision style
For the Olivia thing I can not even think how it would make sense for her, except that she just tries to play the role of the super bitch, but the flag also changes Kanes way to get princesseye points with her, so...

In the first part of this segment, Alessandra's plan was to have pat pit Dom against Juliette. Assuming Tess will not make a ton of work for herself by choosing 2 character deaths, Id go Juliette since Juliette has the skimpiest storyline.

Probably not. Jake is likely only useful if you're a sub. Otherwise, points on him seem to be wasted/ cost you evil points.

 

[Maviarab]

pretty sure she is. It is said somewhere that she is an intern at the Karlsson group and a DeCock.


Edit: Found a scene where it is stated she is Cynthias daughter.

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or do you think Delila is adopted? If yes can you tell me why?

Trust me ...

Delilah is like Olivia, she may have been 'raised' by Cynthia, but she is not of their blood.

 

[harsha_26]

Gambit Queen (Callista) said that Alessandra (Grym Gudinna) never met her father and he died before she was born. So, the hospital scene with Alexander would have occured with someone who is not Alessandra.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Gambit Queen (Callista) said that Alessandra (Grym Gudinna) never met her father and he died before she was born. So, the hospital scene with Alexander would have occured with someone who is not Alessandra. View attachment 5532675

She's talking figuratively as in the man that alexander used to be before the madness overtook him.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Gambit Queen (Callista) said that Alessandra (Grym Gudinna) never met her father and he died before she was born. So, the hospital scene with Alexander would have occured with someone who is not Alessandra. View attachment 5532675

The way I interpreted that, she's telling Alessandra that Alexander had slipped into his madness before she was born. Alessandra never got to know her "real" father, the Alexander that Callista fell in love with. He wasn't himself after Callista left him (for cheating on her w/ her BFF).

 

[harsha_26]

The way I interpreted that, she's telling Alessandra that Alexander had slipped into his madness before she was born. Alessandra never got to know her "real" father, the Alexander that Callista fell in love with. He wasn't himself after Callista left him (for cheating on her w/ her BFF).

Okay, Seems like i have't concentrating lol.

 

[Maviarab]

Gambit Queen (Callista) said that Alessandra (Grym Gudinna) never met her father and he died before she was born. So, the hospital scene with Alexander would have occured with someone who is not Alessandra. View attachment 5532675

She is referring to the 'man he used to be' here...not the one who was a fucked up lunatic.

 

[lorddarkam]

Did Tess just change her name ?

 

[NewGuy2022]

Did Tess just change her name ?

I'm unsure how you mean that. I mean she just got married so...